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  • Originally posted by harishsangwan View Post
    Have any pics to share yet?
    Nope. Reached home late & was damn tired. Will try to click today. Sorry for the delay.

    Originally posted by psr View Post
    This is why I had been requesting members to switch to 20w40 mineral...
    and those who have switched cannot keep the RPM and speeds down..including old me
    It is a simple but effective improvement.
    Thank you for the suggestions. Was wondering what effect will Boric powder addition to the oil will do . Also do we need to add it each & everytime we do an oil change? My bikes done 7300 on the odo. Will add it to the engine post 12000kms mark.

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    • Originally posted by imjoshee View Post
      Nope. Reached home late & was damn tired. Will try to click today. Sorry for the delay.



      Thank you for the suggestions. Was wondering what effect will Boric powder addition to the oil will do . Also do we need to add it each & everytime we do an oil change? My bikes done 7300 on the odo. Will add it to the engine post 12000kms mark.
      The boric acid in the presence of water vapor and heat changes to boric oxide and form the boron cls bond to metal surface. It's affinity is more towards ,Iron and Aluminum.The boron coating is like glass and is supposed to have 85% hardness of Diamond...this means that the coating on the piston,bore etc., is hard, and also smooth and slippery..so you get smoothness in engine, and engine noise becomes less..Oil consumption becomes less, and since it fills the tiny scratches and pits in the bore, Increases compression.
      So this automatically means that engines which have not set in , and have relatively good bore ,should not be treated with boric acid....We need mild scratches and tiny pits..Hence the Indication of 12 to 15 K Kms on odo before this can be done.
      Nano-boric acid makes motor oil more slippery

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      • Originally posted by psr View Post
        The boric acid in the presence of water vapor and heat changes to boric oxide and form the boron cls bond to metal surface. It's affinity is more towards ,Iron and Aluminum.The boron coating is like glass and is supposed to have 85% hardness of Diamond...this means that the coating on the piston,bore etc., is hard, and also smooth and slippery..so you get smoothness in engine, and engine noise becomes less..Oil consumption becomes less, and since it fills the tiny scratches and pits in the bore, Increases compression.
        So this automatically means that engines which have not set in , and have relatively good bore ,should not be treated with boric acid....We need mild scratches and tiny pits..Hence the Indication of 12 to 15 K Kms on odo before this can be done.
        Nano-boric acid makes motor oil more slippery

        http://www.altboron.com/tech_data/
        Thanks for the links. Have read these earlier when you had psoted them in some other thread.

        My other question was, do we have to add boric powder at every oil change or after how many kms do we add again once we pour it 1st time in the engine.

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        • Originally posted by imjoshee View Post
          I got it for Rs.210/- a litre.

          Full synthetic oils are expensive atleast Rs.800 a litre. In these 800 I can change my oil 4 times .
          Another myth
          The SS oils starts from Rs 270/- and the FS oil starts from Rs 500/-.
          Originally posted by imjoshee View Post
          Though synthetics have a longer life but your engine will be more happy with the new oil it gets after every 2000kms. IMHO try sticking to mineral oils.
          SS and FS oils not only have a longer life but runs the engine smoother and cooler in high RPM's.You have to change any mineral @ 2k kms whereas synthetics run for minimum 3k kms.
          Originally posted by imjoshee View Post
          If I am correct ZMR uses 10w30 mineral oil, should you wish to change to Full synthetic oil, you can go for 10w40 Shell Ultra Rs.800/- a litre.
          The Motul 300V @ 850 or 7100@ 750 is a much better deal.The oil will last for 4k+ kms under sane riding.If budget is a constraint Agip Racing 4T 5W40 is a good option.
          Originally posted by imjoshee View Post
          Your ZMR is under warranty if I read correctly, do not tamper with anything else your warranty will void. No comments on the FFE.
          +1...wait for 30k kms before doing such mods.
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          • Originally posted by Only Amit... View Post
            Another myth
            The SS oils starts from Rs 270/- and the FS oil starts from Rs 500/-.

            SS and FS oils not only have a longer life but runs the engine smoother and cooler in high RPM's.You have to change any mineral @ 2k kms whereas synthetics run for minimum 3k kms.

            The Motul 300V @ 850 or 7100@ 750 is a much better deal.The oil will last for 4k+ kms under sane riding.If budget is a constraint Agip Racing 4T 5W40 is a good option.

            +1...wait for 30k kms before doing such mods.
            The myth that synthetic oil can be run for longer kilometers is wrong.Synthetic oils lubricates well and is good at heat conduction compared to the minerals.It guards the engine internals better than mineral, but the oil change interval for any Air cooled engine is almost the same,whether it is Synth or Mineral.The difference in change interval is marginal
            Last edited by psr; 06-30-2011, 02:34 PM.
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            • Originally posted by psr View Post
              The myth that synthetic oil can be run for longer kilometers is wrong.Synthetic oils lubricates well and is good at heat conduction compared to the minerals.It guards the engine internals better than mineral, but the oil change interval for any Air cooled engine is almost the same,whether it is Synth or Mineral.The difference in change interval is marginal
              psr Sir...with due respect I beg to differ on that !!!
              I have used Shell Helix ultra 5w40 FS car oil which vaporised in 1200 kms,only 700ml was left.
              HH 10W30 mineral: we all know what happens after 1000 kms
              Shell AX3 20W40 mineral: Feels somehow burnt after 1800 kms
              Shell Advance ultra FS : Engine smoothness remains for 2000kms and the oil doesn't feel thinner when drained
              Motul 5100 15W50 SS: Engine smoothness remains for 2500kms
              Motul 300V 15W50 FS: I have used it for 3500 kms and when drained I got 900ml+. The engine smoothness was still the same.

              If oil change interval is same for any Air cooled engine across all oils, then how come it behaves differently for different quality and grade
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              • Originally posted by harishsangwan View Post
                Could shed some light on difference between the Philips Premium and X-treme vision?
                Right now I had only posted Philips Premium bulb 60/55w. I do not have X-treme vision to show the difference between two. Philips Premium is a standard OEM bulb for many auto manufacturers in India. They are also good.

                What I had posted earlier is not about the make or brightness but the color temperature which is very important as a rider since 60/55w is common between them. In my opinion, x-treme vision ought have better intensity of light and throw when compared to front line product (Premium). Again, I'm going to gamble on it shortly.
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                • Originally posted by Only Amit... View Post
                  psr Sir...with due respect I beg to differ on that !!!
                  I have used Shell Helix ultra 5w40 FS car oil which vaporised in 1200 kms,only 700ml was left.
                  HH 10W30 mineral: we all know what happens after 1000 kms
                  Shell AX3 20W40 mineral: Feels somehow burnt after 1800 kms
                  Shell Advance ultra FS : Engine smoothness remains for 2000kms and the oil doesn't feel thinner when drained
                  Motul 5100 15W50 SS: Engine smoothness remains for 2500kms
                  Motul 300V 15W50 FS: I have used it for 3500 kms and when drained I got 900ml+. The engine smoothness was still the same.

                  If oil change interval is same for any Air cooled engine across all oils, then how come it behaves differently for different quality and grade
                  Not all oils are made equal even though they may be of same grade and type....Your own list shows that.Different oils at different life time of the engine under different ride pattern makes any assumption void.
                  read the contents of the link esp., Myth #1.
                  Synthetic Oil Explained - Aircooled.Net Tech Article
                  Amit feel free to voice your side of it..you have already started giving me valuable info, for which i am thankfull to you.
                  Last edited by psr; 06-30-2011, 08:07 PM.
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                  • Clocked 16K today.



                    Filled 350rs petrol,Here 68.50/Ltr,So 5.109Ltr Petrol and ran 211kms.

                    So 211/5.109 = 41.29km/l

                    So 41km/l mileage on highways with sane riding and AFR Screw @ 4 Turns.

                    PSR SIR!!!! I am 100% Satisfied now.

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                    • Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
                      Clocked 16K today.
                      Aneesh your 2006 zma has done only 16k??

                      Mines a 2005 one and she had already done 37k when I got her 3 months back. Now she reads 42k.
                      We are miles away from the routine.
                      Headlights rise over the horizon.
                      Pierce the morning fog.
                      Cut through the clutter in our minds.
                      Carve new highways!

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                      • Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post
                        Right now I had only posted Philips Premium bulb 60/55w. I do not have X-treme vision to show the difference between two. Philips Premium is a standard OEM bulb for many auto manufacturers in India. They are also good.

                        What I had posted earlier is not about the make or brightness but the color temperature which is very important as a rider since 60/55w is common between them. In my opinion, x-treme vision ought have better intensity of light and throw when compared to front line product (Premium). Again, I'm going to gamble on it shortly.
                        I am clueless about different color temperatures and their legality in India. Philips Premium sure looks to be a good bulb as well and woudlnt mind getting that one. But would wanna have a look at the light form Philips X-treme first.
                        Both the above bulbs are of 4000k temp right?

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                        • @psr sir
                          i turned AFR screw clockwise till it stopped ,then i turned it 2.5 turns anticlockwise bcoz i wanted to tune my bike for FE,and increased my RPM,

                          now the issue is my bike lack in intial pickup is it bcoz of 2.5 turns?

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                          • Originally posted by psr View Post
                            Not all oils are made equal even though they may be of same grade and type....Your own list shows that.Different oils at different life time of the engine under different ride pattern makes any assumption void.
                            read the contents of the link esp., Myth #1.
                            Synthetic Oil Explained - Aircooled.Net Tech Article
                            Amit feel free to voice your side of it..you have already started giving me valuable info, for which i am thankfull to you.
                            Sir...I am privileged that you found my input's valuable , actually I didn't know any technicalities of synthetic or mineral oil before we started this debate.I just posted my experience.And thanks to you that you posted that link.
                            After a few minutes of browsing and reading about oils still I didn't find any solid fact that advocates the longevity of synthetic oil.There are many contradicting topics posted.The oil companies like Mobil 1 claim in its favour where as there are a lot of views against it.
                            A synthetic oil comprises of uniformed simple petrolium molecules.Mineral oils are mixtures of a range of different viscosity components while synthetics are a more homogeneous substance.The lighter components in mineral oil is more prone to oxidation and volatilization than the heavier and more uniform material in synthetic oil.However oxidation is not the primary deciding factor in lifespan of the oil but its evaporation and contamination. While contamination is same in both of the oil,evaporation is little less in synthetics.
                            Source:
                            http://lists.samurai.com/pipermail/trawlers-and-trawlering/2003-December/067862.html
                            http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.html

                            However when I search for longevity of synthetic oil, I get more topics which points to engine longevity than the oil lifespan and that made me happy :http://www.synthetic-motor-oil-chang...-to-synthetic/

                            Anyway I will stand by the Myth of longevity of synthetic oil as I have experienced it eventho I didn't get any logic behind it

                            Thanks Sir,I learnt all this coz you contradicted my statement!!!
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                            • OT-The Number of the Beast !! (last page number)

                              Just missed posting it in the page itself-so am editing.
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                              • Originally posted by acs1207 View Post
                                OT-The Number of the Beast !! (last page number)

                                Just missed posting it in the page itself-so am editing.
                                Maiden fan here, so did not miss!
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