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  • #13831
    Originally posted by psr View Post
    NOT TRUE...You simply don't have enough juice to pull the relay and engage the starter motor...
    Doubt!
    The horn relay, just connecting both the horn wires is enough for it to click, so how come its not the same with starter relay? I mean since the battery has enough power to power HL cant it fire the relay as well? Or is it the relay causing the issue? Cause I remember reading about relays getting stuck with age.
    Motorcycling Experience:
    2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
    2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
    2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
    2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
    2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
    2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

    The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
    Adios Comrades!
    A.P. 2018

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    • #13832
      Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
      Changed to Shell Rimula R3X for Rs.250/- , R4 wasnt available will take a week more for 1L stocks to arrive, costs Rs.360/-.

      First Impression.


      Thicker than the Super HDB Turbo, and gives way too much feedback, which can be abit irritating, other than that its all the same. Completed 50kms.
      Rimula R4 MRP is 291. I got two bottles today at 260 rupees per 1L bottle.
      Last edited by ravi@17bhp; 04-03-2013, 09:07 PM.
      HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
      Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

      Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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      • #13833
        Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
        Doubt!
        The horn relay, just connecting both the horn wires is enough for it to click, so how come its not the same with starter relay? I mean since the battery has enough power to power HL cant it fire the relay as well? Or is it the relay causing the issue? Cause I remember reading about relays getting stuck with age.
        If your starter relay is kaput then it won't work with headlight off also.....the starter relay has higher tension to pull and hence sufficient power from battery ie., enough Battery terminal voltage is required...With Headlight on the battery voltage would have come down to 10 volts and so starter relay will not work...
        Check battery voltage when you switch on Headlight..
        Last edited by psr; 04-03-2013, 09:19 PM.
        When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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        • #13834
          Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
          And guys a while back had reported an issue with the self starter not responding at times. Now after using Kiney battery, the issue pops up frequently, its like if HL are on for a while then bike wont crank, only when we turn off HL bike will crank. So what I've come to understand is that, the ZMA has some kinda system which prevents starter from working when battery charge goes below X%.
          Originally posted by psr View Post
          NOT TRUE...You simply don't have enough juice to pull the relay and engage the starter motor...
          Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
          Doubt!
          The horn relay, just connecting both the horn wires is enough for it to click, so how come its not the same with starter relay? I mean since the battery has enough power to power HL cant it fire the relay as well? Or is it the relay causing the issue? Cause I remember reading about relays getting stuck with age.
          Originally posted by psr View Post
          If your starter relay is kaput then it won't work with headlight off also.....the starter relay has higher tension to pull and hence sufficient power from battery ie., enough Battery terminal voltage is required...With Headlight on the battery voltage would have come down to 10 volts and so starter relay will not work...
          Check battery voltage when you switch on Headlight..
          I think your 5ah battery is the culprit . It will be draining more than it is charging - and remember the capacity of the battery to store current is lower than recommended . . So the battery won't have optimal voltage . There are digital volt meters available available on ebay . I suggest you get one and fit it on your bike if you are going on with the 5ah battery.
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          • #13835
            New issue or so I think! Chain when set at correct clearance, is extremely tight at one spot, when we set slack at that spot, chain is so low it fouls with main stand alot.

            But other than that running is fine. ???
            Motorcycling Experience:
            2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
            2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
            2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
            2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
            2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
            2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

            The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
            Adios Comrades!
            A.P. 2018

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            • #13836
              Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
              New issue or so I think! Chain when set at correct clearance, is extremely tight at one spot, when we set slack at that spot, chain is so low it fouls with main stand alot.

              But other than that running is fine. ???
              If you read the owner's manual carefully then it is mentioned that this is caused due to binding of some links of the chain. Frequent lubrication should solve it. For the time-being adjust the slack at the tightest link.
              If it lubrication does not solve binding/tight-spots then remove the chain ,clean it thoroughly,dip it in 90 gear oil for an hour,let the excess drop off and then install it.
              Still ,if it does not free up even after 200 kms then the chain is worn-out and needs to be REPLACED.

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              • #13837
                Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                New issue or so I think! Chain when set at correct clearance, is extremely tight at one spot, when we set slack at that spot, chain is so low it fouls with main stand alot.

                But other than that running is fine. ???
                Either your chain links are not Lubed properly or the Rear sprocket is Kaput...
                When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                • #13838
                  ZMA sales doing good now. Had a chat with the showroom manager. He says 10-12 ZMRs and 18-20 ZMAs are sold in a month. And another news. The 250cc Hero bike will be out around Nov-Dec.
                  Tour De Thekkady

                  The Return of the KB

                  The Run-in Adventure

                  150cc doing 100+ is great!
                  100cc doing 100+ is awesome!!
                  150cc cornering like hell is great!
                  100cc cornering like hell is awesome!!
                  THAT'S WHY I RIDE A RTZ!!

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                  • #13839
                    Originally posted by harishkumarko View Post
                    ZMA sales doing good now. Had a chat with the showroom manager. He says 10-12 ZMRs and 18-20 ZMAs are sold in a month. And another news. The 250cc Hero bike will be out around Nov-Dec.
                    From what I have heard it is a Buel HH collaboration 250cc Single cylinder with > 25 HP and to be Priced equal or less than CBR 250.....Stroke and Bore size spec looked more like the CBR 250 R...Let us wait and see..with fingers crossed.
                    When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                    • #13840
                      Originally posted by psr View Post
                      From what I have heard it is a Buel HH collaboration 250cc Single cylinder with > 25 HP and to be Priced equal or less than CBR 250.....Stroke and Bore size spec looked more like the CBR 250 R...Let us wait and see..with fingers crossed.
                      Yeah sir fingers crossed for a naked bike or a sports tourer which I dont think might happen. All that overseas manufacturers see in Indian market is DHOOM inspired fully faired bikes and they bring out one more faired ugly looking bike.
                      Stories of the open road...........

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                      • #13841
                        Completed 240 kms after the rebore. Changed engine oil today and the drained oil looked very dark. Filled Shell Rimula R4. Gear shifting is smoother than before. I rode for only 3 kms so far, so won't comment on how the oil is. Pics of Rimula R4.



                        HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                        Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                        Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                        • #13842
                          Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                          Completed 240 kms after the rebore. Changed engine oil today and the drained oil looked very dark. Filled Shell Rimula R4. Gear shifting is smoother than before.
                          240km and very dark engine oil.. hmm. Since you stripped the engine completely and cleaned it thoroughly, the possibility of the oil doing its 'cleaning' duty is ruled out (because there is no gunk/deposits in the rebuilt engine). And since this is at such a low mileage of 240km, could be blow by causing this.

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                          • #13843
                            Originally posted by s1d View Post
                            And since this is at such a low mileage of 240km, could be blow by causing this.
                            You are correct. It is because the piston rings have not yet seated/mated properly with the cylinder.

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                            • #13844
                              Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                              Completed 240 kms after the rebore. Changed engine oil today and the drained oil looked very dark. Filled Shell Rimula R4. Gear shifting is smoother than before. I rode for only 3 kms so far, so won't comment on how the oil is. Pics of Rimula R4.



                              Let us see how this oil is able to stand up to a new engine which is in the process of setting in....Surprised to see that the oil is almost 2 years old...
                              When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                              • #13845
                                Originally posted by s1d View Post
                                240km and very dark engine oil.. hmm. Since you stripped the engine completely and cleaned it thoroughly, the possibility of the oil doing its 'cleaning' duty is ruled out (because there is no gunk/deposits in the rebuilt engine). And since this is at such a low mileage of 240km, could be blow by causing this.
                                Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post
                                You are correct. It is because the piston rings have not yet seated/mated properly with the cylinder.
                                I have used Honda 20w40 (an old stock) oil. The color of this oil in general is a bit dark compared to current oils. Also, there might be possibility of blow by as the piston rings are yet to set in. And it also could be due to suspended particles generated due to new bore kit. We will check again at 1500 kms and see. Meanwhile, I will search for 0.75mm OS piston from Usha and keep it, in case the current one fails.

                                Originally posted by psr View Post
                                Let us see how this oil is able to stand up to a new engine which is in the process of setting in....Surprised to see that the oil is almost 2 years old...
                                Yes sir, the oil is two years old, but I guess the shelf life of oil is generally a minimum of 5 years. When I asked about the R4 being not available anywhere, the company executive said, the R4 is sold very very less. This might be the reason for the 2 years old stock.
                                HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                                Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                                Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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