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  • its white smoke and happens only when revvd hard otherwise no smoke

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    • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
      Piston rings are leaking causing oil to enter into chamber, and thats why the white smoke from silencer. Sad the warranty of your bike is just over. Take your bike to the service center and get it repaired ASAP. Piston rings would be around 350 rupees. Labor charges would be around 800 rupees. Also, please confirm if the smoke is white or black. If its white, piston rings the culprit; if its black, valve stem seals are the culprit.
      its white smoke

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      • Originally posted by castro View Post
        its white smoke
        can i use unicorns piston rings for dazzler, do they both have same piston rings,

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        • Originally posted by castro View Post
          its white smoke and happens only when revvd hard otherwise no smoke
          i dont think you will require a piston ring change. just check the valve seals and tappets and replace the seals and head gasket. and ensure the oil is at the correct levels.

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          • Originally posted by castro View Post
            hi guys,
            my dazzler completed 2 yrs and 24000k this august, since last month the engine suddenly stalls and wont start, i have to wait for some time and push start the bike in 2nd gear and after that it runs normally. this happened 3 times since last 1 month. engine oil is also being consumed since the last 2 oil changes. i change oil every 2000k, using shell advance ax7 ss since last 9000k. in neutral when i revv the engine to red line small quantity of white smoke is coming from exhaust. can u guys diagnosis wts wrong with my bike...... pls i need expert advice's before i take it to honda svc.

            >battery is healthy.
            >air filter recently replaced.
            Easy things First...

            1. try changing the Spark Plugs.

            Is it consuming oil? do you need to add oil? how many ML do you need to add for a week run?

            When there is smoke, do the combo to avoid back jobs. Unless your mechanic is really an expert.

            Before changing piston rings, check the bore if there are any scratches, this may require a bore up will need a bigger rings than the stock one

            If you need to change piston rings, change valve seals as well.

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            • Originally posted by s1d View Post
              i dont think you will require a piston ring change. just check the valve seals and tappets and replace the seals and head gasket. and ensure the oil is at the correct levels.
              k, i ll get the valve seals and head gasket replaced tomorrow.

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              • Originally posted by phat_17 View Post
                Easy things First...

                1. try changing the Spark Plugs.

                Is it consuming oil? do you need to add oil? how many ML do you need to add for a week run?

                When there is smoke, do the combo to avoid back jobs. Unless your mechanic is really an expert.

                Before changing piston rings, check the bore if there are any scratches, this may require a bore up will need a bigger rings than the stock one

                If you need to change piston rings, change valve seals as well.
                replaced spark plug but still smoke coming, only when revvd hard. the old spark plug is in good condition with out any oil deposits on it.

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                • Originally posted by castro View Post
                  replaced spark plug but still smoke coming, only when revvd hard. the old spark plug is in good condition with out any oil deposits on it.
                  is it consuming oil? if its only emitting smoke during hard revving and you don't often rev hard, i'll let it be for now.

                  but its up to you..i think its normal to emit that smoke during hard revs from a bike that clocked 24k..

                  Unless its producing smoke during slow revs and during idle, then that is really something that you should look into asap

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                  • @Castro, you clearly mentioned in your first post that oil is being consumed in the last two fills. Can you quantify how much oil is being consumed? If its in the range of 100 ml for 2000 kms, you can just ignore it. If its more than 200 ml, then you need to check whats happening in the engine, as you have mentioned white smoke at high revs. In case oil is being consumed at alarming levels, I suggest you to consult a good mechanic in the service center. When they open the engine, ask them to check for valve stem leak or leak from piston rings. They can inspect the condition of the bore, piston rings, valves and valve seals, cam shaft and its lobes, rocker arms, and cam chain. Most probable cause of the smoke in your bike is either piston rings or the valve stem seals. Though its unlikely in your case, bore might be damaged, again in worst case. An expert mechanic can identify upon inspection and repair it once and for all.
                    HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                    Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                    Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                    • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                      @Castro, you clearly mentioned in your first post that oil is being consumed in the last two fills. Can you quantify how much oil is being consumed? If its in the range of 100 ml for 2000 kms, you can just ignore it. If its more than 200 ml, then you need to check whats happening in the engine, as you have mentioned white smoke at high revs. In case oil is being consumed at alarming levels, I suggest you to consult a good mechanic in the service center. When they open the engine, ask them to check for valve stem leak or leak from piston rings. They can inspect the condition of the bore, piston rings, valves and valve seals, cam shaft and its lobes, rocker arms, and cam chain. Most probable cause of the smoke in your bike is either piston rings or the valve stem seals. Though its unlikely in your case, bore might be damaged, again in worst case. An expert mechanic can identify upon inspection and repair it once and for all.
                      after last incident(engine stall) i checked dip stick and oil level is below minimum,i did only 1200k on this oil.. changed oil( mineral, shell ax5) and spark plug.after oil change i filled the old oil in the bottle and it filled only up to half bottle(500ml). will check it for another 300-400k and if it still consumes oil i ll change rings and valve seals like u said.

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                      • Originally posted by castro View Post
                        after last incident(engine stall) i checked dip stick and oil level is below minimum,i did only 1200k on this oil.. changed oil( mineral, shell ax5) and spark plug.after oil change i filled the old oil in the bottle and it filled only up to half bottle(500ml). will check it for another 300-400k and if it still consumes oil i ll change rings and valve seals like u said.
                        500 ml decrease will be seriously alarming. If you ride your bike with very less engine oil, all the internals will get damaged slowly/rapidly. Even though the camshaft, Rocker Arms, and camchain are not the culprits for decreased oil level, these parts will get damaged if you ride with low engine oils, along with bore too. In this case, you need to do a complete engine rebuild, which will put a hole in your pocket. Check the engine oil level right away, also observe the oil color if its dark. If there is decrease in oil, do consult service center ASAP.
                        HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                        Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                        Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                        • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                          500 ml decrease will be seriously alarming. If you ride your bike with very less engine oil, all the internals will get damaged slowly/rapidly. Even though the camshaft, Rocker Arms, and camchain are not the culprits for decreased oil level, these parts will get damaged if you ride with low engine oils, along with bore too. In this case, you need to do a complete engine rebuild, which will put a hole in your pocket. Check the engine oil level right away, also observe the oil color if its dark. If there is decrease in oil, do consult service center ASAP.
                          oil turned completely black(only 1200k)....never happened like this before. today after spark plug and oil change i revvd hard to check for smoke i observed some kind of burnt smell along smoke....i ll get it checked and repaired tomorrow itself....

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                          • Originally posted by castro View Post
                            oil turned completely black(only 1200k)....never happened like this before. today after spark plug and oil change i revvd hard to check for smoke i observed some kind of burnt smell along smoke....i ll get it checked and repaired tomorrow itself....
                            That smell is due to burning of the oil. If you observe the spark plug, you would notice black oily deposits on it. Also, if you put finger in the exhaust hole, you would notice black deposits (don't put finger when the silencer is hot). Take the bike to service station immediately.
                            HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                            Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                            Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                            • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                              That smell is due to burning of the oil. If you observe the spark plug, you would notice black oily deposits on it. Also, if you put finger in the exhaust hole, you would notice black deposits (don't put finger when the silencer is hot). Take the bike to service station immediately.
                              spark plug is dry with out any oil deposits and its in good condition... but like u said i noticed black deposits in silencer hole....

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                              • Originally posted by castro View Post
                                spark plug is dry with out any oil deposits and its in good condition... but like u said i noticed black deposits in silencer hole....


                                Its normal for the exhaust tip to have Black Deposits (Carbon Deposits) what is not normal is if its oily Carbon Deps.. check again
                                Last edited by phat_17; 09-27-2012, 10:45 PM.

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