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  • I gave my bike for paid service in newly opened service outlet near pammal,chennai.
    Changed the oil to Shell AX7 10W40. They suggested that i change the front disc pad and it costed around 500rs.ODO reads 26600kms now.
    In my previous service, Rear disc pad and chain sprocket was changed at 23500 kms.

    There was a slight increase in mileage in my last two full tank fills.it returned around 51.5km/ltr.
    I guess it may be due to the light Honda 10W30 OE oil or is it the Shell petrol or combination of both.

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    • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
      I have been running with stock pads that came when I bought the bike. My odo is now 24k, and I am sure there is life left for another 5-6k kms.




      Brake pad not changed till 24k kms ????????? howz that possible???

      You din't change the pad from stock bike yet ?? Dazzler has got some different pads or you are extremely heaven ride !!!

      1 disc pad is working for 24k kms!! Still can't belive!!

      Please ravi tell me how you do??

      I never keep my feet on lever unless braking and my pad last for only 5-6kms!!! max to max 7k kms!!

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      • Originally posted by plasmabhai View Post
        Well just want to put in some numbers as stated in the manual.

        Tyre pressures Front 25 Rear 29 without pillion and Front 25 Rear 33 with pillion. Best to stick to this and check pressures on cold tyres (run less than 2kms) since these are cold tyre pressure recommendation, check it every time you refuel or every week and after any long period of time when the bike has been left unused. Also store bike in shade as alternate heating and cooling of bike tyres when kept in open for long leads to the tyre rubber becoming brittle and cracking.

        Spark Plug replacement: Every 9000kms
        Air Filter replacement : Every 15000kms

        Best to change both of these simultaneously at 10-11000kms. My spark plug at 10500 kms is still looking good, but I will probably change it at 11k along with air filter.

        Spray chain lube every 500kms (literally 5 minutes job, one can of Yamalube cost me Rs250 and will last for more than 2 years at the rate I am using it) Do not ask service centre to do "chain overhaul" because that is bullshit and they charge Rs80/- for it and apply used engine oil. They don't even bother adjusting chain slack and the road grime sticks onto the sticky and gummy used engine oil and increases friction. For the first two days everything will seem smooth and as soon as excess used engine oil has flung off the chain, your troubles will start.

        And finally, my mantra to high mileage. "Do not accelerate fast, avoid applying brakes!" This I have learnt by my own methods and am not copy pasting from anywhere else.

        Why this mantra? Because the amount of fuel your engine burns is first and foremost decided by how open your throttle is. The secret of getting good mileage is to open the least amount of throttle for maximum amount of time. However whenever you want to accelerate, you open throttle more than what is required for the engine to run at that rpm. And this is an obvious requirement of acceleration so if you keep doing this, you will burn more fuel than what was required. Same thing for braking then, if you keep braking frequently then you will have to accelerate more and that will burn more fuel.

        See it like this, you are in traffic and suddenly brake to 5kmph and then accelerate to 20kmph only to brake again to 5 kmph. This will burn more fuel than if you had kept the bike at 10kmph and not accelerated/braked at all. You will get BEST POSSIBLE mileage if every drop of fuel burnt is used to MAINTAIN your speed, not INCREASE your speed. And that's that!

        As far as changing gears is concerned, the best shift point for all gears in Dazzler is between 3000-4000rpms depending on load. When I am riding alone, on level roads with light to moderate traffic, I shift at 3200rpms, with pillion at 3500rpms. With pillion on uphill climb, shift at 4000rpm or above. And smoothly accelerating after shifting, no hard acceleration after shifting at these rpms. If you want to accelerate hard then you will have to increase the rpms of your shift points.

        And here is the deal now, I am running Joel's big bore setup in my bike and I get a consistent mileage of 48kmpl with max of 50kmpl (twice) and low of 38kmpl (consistent spirited riding with gear changes at 5000rpm and frequent braking and acceleration) but I have also got 45kmpl when keeping the bike at 6000rpm/80kmph consistently, with least possible throttle input, when touring on the highway. So I am speaking from experience.

        Hope this helps.
        Thanks for the detailed information and tips, it was of real good help great info.

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        • Originally posted by rock18 View Post
          I gave my bike for paid service in newly opened service outlet near pammal,chennai.
          Changed the oil to Shell AX7 10W40. They suggested that i change the front disc pad and it costed around 500rs.ODO reads 26600kms now.
          In my previous service, Rear disc pad and chain sprocket was changed at 23500 kms.

          There was a slight increase in mileage in my last two full tank fills.it returned around 51.5km/ltr.
          I guess it may be due to the light Honda 10W30 OE oil or is it the Shell petrol or combination of both.
          Rock,
          Did the SVC allow you to use Shell oil??? and how is this oil BTW.

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          • @plasmabhai, some nice explanation.


            Originally posted by rock18 View Post
            There was a slight increase in mileage in my last two full tank fills.it returned around 51.5km/ltr.
            I guess it may be due to the light Honda 10W30 OE oil or is it the Shell petrol or combination of both.
            The Honda 10w30 oil, according to Honda, gives 3-5 kmpl extra than the old 20w40 oil. This might be a reason.

            BTW, I am getting an FE of 64 and 62 in the last two fills (two liters per fill, 60% highway and 40 % thin traffic). Even I don't have a clue how the FE went from 54 to 62. I am selling the bike and its giving more mileage now.

            Originally posted by somen1984 View Post


            Brake pad not changed till 24k kms ????????? howz that possible???

            You din't change the pad from stock bike yet ?? Dazzler has got some different pads or you are extremely heaven ride !!!

            1 disc pad is working for 24k kms!! Still can't belive!!

            Please ravi tell me how you do??

            I never keep my feet on lever unless braking and my pad last for only 5-6kms!!! max to max 7k kms!!
            What bike you use? I too keep my leg a little side so that I don't accidentally press the rear pedal while riding. I use the rear brake only for extreme braking. At low speeds, most of the times I use the front brake. I follow the intermittent braking method for efficient braking. I apply the the brake, leave it, and then apply again, and continue it till I stop. This intermittent braking minimizes the friction time between the disc and the pads greatly. Bike will stop fast if you use this method. You need to practice a little before using this method. Most of the people apply the brakes and keep it till the bike stops, due to this, the pads will be in contact with disc for a very long time, causing faster wear out of pads.

            Originally posted by vajra_bng View Post
            Rock,
            Did the SVC allow you to use Shell oil??? and how is this oil BTW.
            Once the bike is out of warranty, you can choose not to use the Honda oil; they will not say anything.
            Last edited by ravi@17bhp; 07-16-2012, 04:37 PM.
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            • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
              What bike you use?
              I use R15!
              Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
              I too keep my leg a little side so that I don't accidentally press the rear pedal while riding. I use the rear brake only for extreme braking. At low speeds, most of the times I use the front brake. I follow the intermittent braking method for efficient braking. I apply the the brake, leave it, and then apply again, and continue it till I stop. This intermittent braking minimizes the friction time between the disc and the pads greatly. Bike will stop fast if you use this method. You need to practice a little before using this method. Most of the people apply the brakes and keep it till the bike stops, due to this, the pads will be in contact with disc for a very long time, causing faster wear out of pads.
              The only difference is i use both brakes!! at a time!!
              Same pattern of pressing and leaving it till bike stops!
              But still can this helps 24k kms to last a disc pad?? Then it's real use to technique i must say!!
              Does your front brake pads worn more then ??

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              • Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
                The only difference is i use both brakes!! at a time!!
                Same pattern of pressing and leaving it till bike stops!
                But still can this helps 24k kms to last a disc pad?? Then it's real use to technique i must say!!
                Does your front brake pads worn more then ??
                The disc pads on R15 wears out faster as most of the people take it to high rpm range. Also, the material of the pads wears out faster. May be the material of pads on Dazzler is a bit hard.

                Another reason I told you, I use the rear disc only when needed, at times I need sudden stopping from higher speeds. In speeds at 20-30 kmph, I generally avoid applying rear disc, will manage braking with front only, that too intermittent method. It doesn't mean I don't use rear disc at all in low speeds; I use it even in low speeds, when I need sudden braking for instant stop.

                Also, I tour a lot on highways, and needed less braking. This might another contributing factor for good life.

                The front disc pads I changed at 17k kms. Its quite normal interval.
                HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                  The disc pads on R15 wears out faster as most of the people take it to high rpm range. Also, the material of the pads wears out faster. May be the material of pads on Dazzler is a bit hard.

                  Another reason I told you, I use the rear disc only when needed, at times I need sudden stopping from higher speeds. In speeds at 20-30 kmph, I generally avoid applying rear disc, will manage braking with front only, that too intermittent method. It doesn't mean I don't use rear disc at all in low speeds; I use it even in low speeds, when I need sudden braking for instant stop.

                  Also, I tour a lot on highways, and needed less braking. This might another contributing factor for good life.

                  The front disc pads I changed at 17k kms. Its quite normal interval.
                  that's nice bro!!

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                  • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                    The pads will be touch with the disc, but they will not rub the disc until you press the brake lever. In case if you haven't read, I have been running with stock pads that came when I bought the bike. My odo is now 24k, and I am sure there is life left for another 5-6k kms.

                    There are no alternatives for the pads. I don't know why you want any alternative pads. The pads quality is very decent. The rear pads are made by Nissin, and you don't get that pads anywhere. Use of any local pads may lead to improper disc wearout and you will loose progressive braking.

                    I don't think Iridium plug is worth and it doesn't make any huge difference. Alternatively you can use NGK G-power plug, which cost you 200 bucks only and is better than stock one. Its a VFM.
                    1. my first set of front pads were completely worn by 7500km, so asked you for alternatives because i felt the life was very very less. currently at 11.5k on odo so far ok.

                    2. am having a problem with starting in the morning when the petrol is less than 1 litre.

                    3. planning to switch to castrol or motul ss oil. any suggestions?

                    43 how are you getting 62kmpl . i get 52kmpl in doubles

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                    • Originally posted by somen1984 View Post


                      Brake pad not changed till 24k kms ????????? howz that possible???
                      well its very much possible, at least with the dazzler. I have done @26K & still havent changed my rear disc pads. Just recently got them inspected, they are still in very good condition...will easily last for 2-3K more kms.

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                      • Originally posted by plasmabhai View Post
                        Dude, awesome! I am also looking for a similar mount for my phone! What mount is this? A universal ram mount kind of thing or some car dash board mount that you modified?

                        Also is it secure? As in does it hold the phone firmly at speeds upto 94kmph (7k rpms)? Only then will it be suitable for touring. And how much did it cost? Ordered online or bought from local shop?

                        I am trying to do some similar arrangement for my phone as well, thats why the interest. Tried keeping the phone in a clear plastic pouch and tying the whole thing on central handle bar area using velcro strips. Didnt quite work as nicely as I wanted it to though So have scrapped that project as of now
                        Thanks Bro.

                        The mount was originally for cars. I will be using a Cable Tie to make it steady at any speeds and Cut it after a long ride..

                        We have that easily available in malls around here in the Philippines. I bought the Goose Necked version to have more options on where to position it..

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                        • Originally posted by somen1984 View Post
                          I use R15!
                          The only difference is i use both brakes!! at a time!!
                          Same pattern of pressing and leaving it till bike stops!
                          But still can this helps 24k kms to last a disc pad?? Then it's real use to technique i must say!!
                          Does your front brake pads worn more then ??
                          Just like R15, Dazzler also has rear brake made of Nissin and front brake made of KBX (same as R15). As such the rear disc pads last 25k kms easily due to multiple reasons:

                          1) Better quality rear brake
                          2) Rear brake actually contributes just 30% of total braking so less use than front anyway
                          3) To avoid the possibility of skidding, the rear brake is never set as hard as front brake

                          That's why rear brake pads last so long. In most of the dazzlers I have seen, the front brake pads lasted a minimum for 15k kms and then had to be changed depending on how the usage pattern was. Even in my bike, the front is already seeing quite a lot of wear while the rear is practically still brand new after 10k kms.
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                          • In the last three fills of 2L fuel each, my Dazzler gave me 64 kmpl (70% highway), 62 kmpl (70% highway), and 64 kmpl (70% highway) under sane riding. :O

                            Unfortunately, my Dazzler is departing me tomorrow.
                            HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                            Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                            Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                            • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                              In the last three fills of 2L fuel each, my Dazzler gave me 64 kmpl (70% highway), 62 kmpl (70% highway), and 64 kmpl (70% highway) under sane riding. :O

                              Unfortunately, my Dazzler is departing me tomorrow.
                              Oh!.....we will be missing some knowledgeable inputs then. I hope you still remain in touch with this thread giving some good advices & info as ever.

                              Dazzler indeed has one of the best fuel efficiency in its class.(my last two recordings are 56 & 58 kmpl) Also this bike is one of the most 'least maintenance require bikes', i guess. Atlest this is what i have experienced so far.

                              Btw. are you upgrading to a bigger machine or what?

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                              • Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                                In the last three fills of 2L fuel each, my Dazzler gave me 64 kmpl (70% highway), 62 kmpl (70% highway), and 64 kmpl (70% highway) under sane riding. :O

                                Unfortunately, my Dazzler is departing me tomorrow.
                                I generally get above 50KMPL in city and my speeds hover around 75 .

                                Ravi hope you dont mind me asking, how much were you offered for your bike, bcos i'm also planning to sell my bike .

                                Thanks

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