there will definitely be some black deposits in the exhaust.. no issues as long its dry. and if there is smoke it definitely means something is burnt/burning the oil color will change after some kms but without looking/feeling the oil i cant tell if its gone bad or just 'doing its duty' of cleaning the engine internals..
but definitely the bike shouldnt be consuming 500ml in 1200km.. something aroung 50-100ml is ok. and i also think a bit of smoke when revved HARD is ok. (if the oil consumption is not more than 125ml/2500km). infact when i put my dio on the center stand and pin the throttle, i see a wee bit of smoke.and the bike is perfect with just around 50-75ml oil consumption/2000km.

Hi guys, I took dazzy to a 50kms of twisties..

i felt that our dazzler needs more torque power in 3rd and 4th gear.. Its slow on exiting corners.. 2nd gear is too strong..

do i need to change sprockets to improve it? what size?

hi guyz, took my bike to svc, told them about engine oil consumption and told them to replace the valve seals and head gasket( like many of u advised), the mechanic told me that only after opening the head he can tell the exact problem. they called me in the afternoon and told that the cylinder is to be replaced. immediately went and talked to the mech, he showed me the piston and say that the piston should be dry with out any oil on it, but in your case oil is leaking down on the piston, so u have to change the cylinder..................... i inspected the cylinder and the inner surface is smooth without any scratches or lines. is it really damaged, do i have to compulsorily replace the cylinder, or are the trying to cash on me. pls advice me. i asked him about the valves and he showed me the valves and and says that they are good. he replaced valve guides. total cost he's quoting is around 5k.
will they replace the piston along with the cylinder.what other parts i have to replace (timing chain etc).

very much disappointed. bike clocked just 24300, and i have to go for engine overhaul .

I am not the expert, but as you are saying the cylinder is smooth without scratches, my suspicion is the Piston Rings might have gone. As he said the valve stem seals are okay, changing only piston rings might work. There is no need to change timing chain or the tensioner or anything else.

But, though the cylinder is smooth, if there is excess wearing out of the cylinder, then even if you use new piston rings, oil would leak into cylinder. They can measure the wear out of the cylinder by calipers. Or you can check for the piston slap by sliding the piston in the cylinder and see. You can slide in the first piston ring in to the cylinder and check the gap between loose ends of the rings. The gap should be almost nil only little.

Recently, I have changed only piston rings in my Karizma. The cylinder had light scratches, but I had the chance to observe the piston slap in the cylinder and determine the wear out. Its running fine without any oil leakage. Compression is also fine.

We can't tell if the Cylinder is really culprit just by description. Ask him again if Cylinder replacement is really needed.

i tried to insert the piston in to the cylinder but its dint go inside,

Well how much oil was there in the cylinder? As far as I know, there IS SUPPOSED TO BE OIL THERE...!!! I mean that there is supposed to be a thin film of oil between the cylinder and piston. The piston rings seal out excess oil while still retaining a thin layer of oil. That is why oil consumption of about 100ml every 2000km is considered normal. If there is excess oil in cylinder then it will burn off as white smoke. In any case, as ravi says, just changing the piston rings should be sufficient, especially since the cylinder surface is smooth.

Also I doubt whether there would be piston slap this early (only 23000kms). Also the fit of piston in cylinder is very very tight. So it is not easy for you to do it but the mech would know the technique. Ask him to insert the piston in cylinder and check the gap between the ring ends against a BRIGHT light.

@phat_17 sry bro saw your post just now! :|

Another member of xbhp (xtremevirus i think) who is a dazzler owner had got a 46 teeth rear sprocket setup on his dazzler! The stock is 15T42. From his account the acceleration of the bike had become MAD...!!! Simply crazy! He said that he reached speeds of 90kmph in no time at all but after that the engine red lined and there was no where to go. So while it increased acceleration by crazy, the top speed was limited severely. It was a Hunk's rear sprocket if i recall correctly. He had also setup a 40 teeth rear sprocket I think and again the acceleration lagged badly though the cruising speeds were much better and engine was very much relaxed. However I don't think he redlined in top gear, also the first gear became very tall and so slow speed riding was impossible in second gear.

In my opinion the stock gearing is the best. xtremevirus is also running stock sprockets now. In my experience, keeping the engine in the power band is enough for the twisties. I never found dazzler to lack even with a heavy pillion if I kept the engine revving around 5000rpms. Let the rpms fall below 4000 at any time and it feels as if the engine is struggling. In the mountains its all about maintaining the rpms!

how did u try to insert the piston ?
and i am surprised you dint find smoke (except when revved hard) for an oil consumption on 500ml/1200km !
If the cylinder is in shape, then all you need is a piston/and rings.
Anyway why do they want to replace the bore+piston kit ? Can't it be re bored to the next size ?

I suggest you visit another service center to get a second opinion. (tell these guys you really dont have that much money to spend now etc etc and have the bike put back together with a new head gasket)

today went to svc and checked the cylinder for piston slap, dint find any, so told them to change only piston rings, but the mechanic made a long face kept on insisting me to change cylinder for which i refused( told him that i am selling the bike so don't want to spend on it). i ll get my bike tomorrow, ll take it to other svc for second opinion or i ll get it done outside. i dont trust these honda guys, they are not fair and very manipulating.

did they agree to replace only the rings ? and i hope they dont screw up this job... and come back saying 'saar we told you to change the block+piston'..
but is it so bad even a rebore+ OS piston/rings job cant be done ?
and here in hyd i was told they dont give the just the piston rings.. u gotta buy the piston as well..

yes he told me the same thing ( u have to buy a new piston) and he came up with this idea of sourcing rings from outside market. i think tomorrow he ll cal me up and say he cant find rings any where, in that case can i put a new piston in the old cylinder or i change the whole kit.

lets hope 'all is well' soon but again i am asking.. is it so bad even a rebore+OS piston/rings cant be fitted ?

I feel that instead of reboring its better to go for a brand new stock bore+piston set. Because boring requires extreme precision and I am not sure whether local lathes have the skill and experience to rebore an engine cylinder. Also oversize rings then have to be exactly precise and that size depends on the bore, so unless the person knows what he is doing there is a high chance that you screw up your already screwed engine further. Its better to simply plonk in a new block naa!! I know for a fact that atleast my authorized service centre do not bore cylinders, they always say to buy a new one and replace. Which sounds logical to me.

Yes, a very valid point if the rebore isnt done well..

Hi all!

I've been facing a few problems with the handling of my Dazzler. The front forks seem to wobble a lot at low speeds even on relatively smooth surfaces. It's more like minute vibrations but not from the engine. Also mild wobbling when I try to brake late into a corner. My bike has done around 25K. I've never changed the fork oil. Is this possible cause? Recently got my coneset changed. But this wobbling issue was there since before.

Also the rear suspension seems to not stay in line properly. Around corners and on rough surfaces feels like the bike is flexing a bit and the rear tyre going a bit wide. What are the things to check on the rear suspension. My chainset is also up for change. Could a loose chain cause the rear to move around like this?

Any help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.