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  • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

    Originally posted by lalitp View Post
    Please explain.
    You mean explaining the terms?

    Corner speed style = look at Lorenzo and Yamaha riders in general: they smooth down the entering and exit phase keeping a more consistent speed through the entire corner, staying at high lean angles longer.

    Point and shoot style = look at Pedrosa and most Honda riders: they brake deeper into the corner, "pointing" at the apex directly, then as soon as possible lift the bike up sharply and open the throttle hard, "shooting" out of the corner. They stay at high lean angles less time.

    Of course it also depends on tracks and corner characteristics: there are corners in which all riders have to exploit corner speed to be fast, others in which they all try to "point and shoot" because it's more effective. That determines which tracks/ corners are more favorable to Honda or to Yamaha, as Yamaha is the "corner speed" machine while Honda with its exrtaordinary braking efficiency and strong acceleration is the obvious "point and shoot" machine.

    Ducati would also be a point and shoot kind of bike, but the understeer problem obliges it to stay longer at higher lean angles and so it cannot exploit fully one of its traditional strong points, which is acceleration.

    Point and shoot was the mandatory style with the old 500cc 2-strokers, (and then it was applied in a very visible way); corner speed was the equally mandatory style for 250cc and the lower classes in general, because they did not have enough power to accelerate as strongly as needed out of corners if using the point and shoot technique.
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    • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

      Originally posted by J4rn0 View Post
      You mean explaining the terms?

      Corner speed style = look at Lorenzo and Yamaha riders in general: they smooth down the entering and exit phase keeping a more consistent speed through the entire corner, staying at high lean angles longer.

      Point and shoot style = look at Pedrosa and most Honda riders: they brake deeper into the corner, "pointing" at the apex directly, then as soon as possible lift the bike up sharply and open the throttle hard, "shooting" out of the corner. They stay at high lean angles less time.

      Of course it also depends on tracks and corner characteristics: there are corners in which all riders have to exploit corner speed to be fast, others in which they all try to "point and shoot" because it's more effective. That determines which tracks/ corners are more favorable to Honda or to Yamaha, as Yamaha is the "corner speed" machine while Honda with its exrtaordinary braking efficiency and strong acceleration is the obvious "point and shoot" machine.

      Ducati would also be a point and shoot kind of bike, but the understeer problem obliges it to stay longer at higher lean angles and so it cannot exploit fully one of its traditional strong points, which is acceleration.

      Point and shoot was the mandatory style with the old 500cc 2-strokers, (and then it was applied in a very visible way); corner speed was the equally mandatory style for 250cc and the lower classes in general, because they did not have enough power to accelerate as strongly as needed out of corners if using the point and shoot technique.
      Thank you mate! That is exactly what I wanted to know.

      Cheers! And thumbs up for your explanation.

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      • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

        Here's the onboard videos of Jerez for Yamaha and Honda. Watch them one after the other. There's a stark difference in the lines and the riding style on these two bikes.

        Yamaha Jerez Onboard:


        Honda Jerez Onboard:


        Yamaha's lines seem conventional. I mean sure its nothing like a street bike, these guys are able to go very deep on the brakes all the way to the apex so there's a lot of turning happening even after the bike's on its side. But the Honda is really something else. The turning point, the angle at which it approaches the apex is strange (V shaped line). But what really has me stumped is what happens when the rider get on the throttle is near the apex, at this point the bike seems to rotate inwards towards the inside of the corner (at least that's how it appears to me). I heard that the Honda's were supposed to be point and shoot even back when Casey was riding a Honda. Looking at the on-board videos of Stoner his bike didn't exhibit this magical rotation toward the apex thing. I have never seen anything like this on any other bike. Also, notice how seamless the off-on throttle transition sounds on the Honda (unreal!) and these bikes in general sound unbelievable smooth. An ideal bike engine would be one that has a flat, wide torque curve without any prominent dips or crests. I suspect these bikes must be the closest thing to this ideal, even though they make godly amounts of power. There is plenty of stuff that we have no clue how they do it. God knows what all things these (Honda) guys are doing on the bike.

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          ahahaha. he totally botched up turn one.

          but wow! turn six, that looked crazy.

          i'm curious to see what pedrosa's onboard cam at jerez looks like.

          MM is a friggin nutjob. brilliant stuff.
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          • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

            Lorenzo - "I am very proud to have reached this agreement with Yamaha because it was always my priority and I want to end my career with them."


            What a pity! Is this the Lorenzo we know of?
            Last edited by Makky; 08-08-2014, 02:36 PM.

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              Lorenzo must stay with Yamaha, it's the bike that suits his style best. See the difficulties he had at the beginning of this season just because of a slightly peakier engine and different tires. I don't think he would be faster on a Honda, leave alone on a Ducati. Suzuki on paper could be an alternative for him, since it is designed very much like the M1; but it's still in early development. If he wants to win, his only chance is the factory Yamaha.
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              • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                Originally posted by Makky View Post
                Lorenzo - "I am very proud to have reached this agreement with Yamaha because it was always my priority and I want to end my career with them."


                What a pity! Is this the Lorenzo we know of?
                he has said that same statement a million times over the last several years, so what's new about that for you mate ?

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                • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                  Originally posted by aditya_YZF-R15 View Post
                  he has said that same statement a million times over the last several years, so what's new about that for you mate ?
                  How true is that?

                  He did flirt with the option of riding a Repsol Honda before, didn't he? And had HRC not signed Pedrosa for 2 years, what do you think 'd have happened? Let's keep the Ducati away.

                  A competitive rider isn't bound to any team or a make. He just needs a fast machine and good money. A rider should be able to switch teams or try a different manufacturer if, the need be. I hope that you 're getting my point of view. Confidence is the key. Lorenzo is losing it day by day.
                  Last edited by Makky; 08-08-2014, 10:00 PM.

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                  • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                    Originally posted by Makky View Post
                    How true is that?

                    He did flirt with the option of riding a Repsol Honda before, didn't he? And had HRC not signed Pedrosa for 2 years, what do you think 'd have happened? Let's keep the Ducati away.

                    A competitive rider isn't bound to any team or a make. He just needs a fast machine and good money. A rider should be able to switch teams or try a different manufacturer if, the need be. I hope that you 're getting my point of view. Confidence is the key. Lorenzo is losing it day by day.
                    yes i get your point and yes he did contemplate other options, but as far as that statement goes he has said it many times over the last many years...it's surely just a formal half-hearted statement to an extent but he must also really want/feel like that to an extent to have said it so many times over the last 5 years or so....anyway it is being informally said by a lot of journalists that his new contract with yamaha has a "going out after 2015" clause which of course isn't something the companies or riders usually disclose to the public unless the need to take the step arises.

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                    • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                      Watch MotoGP FP2 live streaming here.. check this link..


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                      • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                        ^^ ****ing honda with all their money and resources :P

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                        • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                          Yup, with the best bike in the world and the best rider in the world the Honda dominance is going to continue unabated until Dorna does something about it.

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                          • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                            2016 mate, 2016....major changes due from that season...new tyre suppliers and new spec electronics...2 of the most major and important aspects of GP racing...

                            hopefully the spec electronics will level the field a good deal (the very aim of introducing this rule) and make it less ridiculously expensive for non-rich teams, and at least decrease HRC's hold on the series quite a bit hopefully...and hopefully the new 2015 gigi's ducati bike will start doing some good shit on a consistent and competitive basis.
                            Last edited by aditya_YZF-R15; 08-10-2014, 04:03 PM.

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                            • Re: MotoGP 2014 Season - Updates

                              Oh!!! What a race. Moto3 is the best. Thats what i'm talking about. Alexis masbou almost got jack miller and what a drag by vasquez,totally took advantage of wind.
                              Put The Pedal To The Metal

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