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**Praful** · 01-01-2011, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by payeng View Post

For Older generation products: Yes, I could agree with the above statement

For Current generation products: I see a sea of improvement (The P135LS is an eye opener by the way it revs and handles)

For Future generation products: Quality definitely has to match the best if Bajaj want's to become a global manufacturer.

No doubt they have improved leaps and bounds, I have 60K abused engine and it still does 144kmph. BUT they are not there yet, whether they are going to reach there, only time will tell.

**payeng** · 01-01-2011, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by Praful View Post

No doubt they have improved leaps and bounds, I have 60K abused engine and it still does 144kmph. BUT they are not there yet, whether they are going to reach there, only time will tell.

One has to remember that the engines and chassis of the Pulsars (with the exception of the P135LS) are basically based on a 10 year old design. Which was Bajaj's first genuine attempt at making motorcycles independently.

Also worth noting is that for almost two years for now, hundreds of thousands of the new Discover 100/150 models have been selling each month in India. But have we really heard of any serious quality issues with it so far (engine and chassis of the new Discover models are totally different from the older ones)?

I hope that they do reach there where we want it to be. With products like the R15 and the new CBR250R, the bar is being raised quite high.

**MACH50** · 01-01-2011, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by enfro View Post

I asked her that this would definitely hit the sales of Ninja.
She replied that 'Ninja ke rates bhi girne waale hain sir Honda ki wajah se. March tak samjho..'
(Ninja is also going cheaper due to Honda 250cc...Expect so by March)

Hindi is a beautiful language to go by

I think what She meant was,Ninja's sales rate is gonna take a hit due to the Honda...............However even though there is remote possibility,I only hope I am wrong

**pjamessmith** · 01-01-2011, 10:33 PM

Honda Motorcycles Austraila & UK

Honda Motorcycles Austraila has nice teaser website for the CBR250R.
The Lauching in Australia is expected in March 2011.

CBR250R Minisite

Honda UK

Skip to 6:00 of the Video to see CBR250R

YouTube - Honda Showcases Its 2011 Motorcycle Models, Riders and Plans

**MACH50** · 01-01-2011, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by sonu1990 View Post

A bajaj 300c with around 35rwhp. R15 like look(i doubt bajaj). cost 1.2 lacks. EX.
(Bajaj already have a bike 220cc single cylinder ~22bhp cost 86k)

Well I hope Bajaj plays its cards soon

Because a new 250cc parallel twin has already landed in the neighboring country of China...........would be available in other Asian markets by mid 2011.

And its a Suzuki

Have a look:

The bike is called Suzuki GW250.
Its a 250cc parallel twin with speculated figures of:
power-26KW@8500rpm
torque-2.42Kgfm@7000rpm
As you can see none of the figures are in Bhp or Nm...........thats the spec news that found its way out of China.
Single Disc up front,single disc at rear.

Here is a video:
?????-?? GW250 - ?? - ???? - ????

So the 250cc game is gonna heat up pretty soon

**sonu1990** · 01-01-2011, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by bprags View Post

Hmm, so there is no difference between 26 Honda horses and 21 Bajaj horses. Your statement is as good as saying "P150 performance is more or less equal to 220 with better top end"

.

Well, not exactly look my next post for ans.

Originally posted by Samy View Post

Rumor of Pulsar 250

YES. If Bajaj comes up with a P250 with few godies like monoshock, actual liquid cooling

and full fairing around 1.2L it will eat CBR250R's market big time.

Also, In india, Not every CBR250R's potential buyer is aware of CBR's iconic big brothers and those who are aware may already know that CBR250R share none of the charcteries with bigger sibligngs.

Also, apart from initial lot of P220 DTS-Fi , bajaj hasn't done any big blunder with P220s so P250 will be very desirable with a price tag 40-50K less than the CBR250R's

Exactly this.

**sonu1990** · 01-01-2011, 11:19 PM

First no hate Honda. (actually love the Honda)

If u ask me, i would say cbr250r is over priced. Really.
Why?
for a moment don't talk about quality here.

A 220 with 21 rwhp costs ~ 86k

Now from Honda it's a 250cc with 26rwhp (no 1 sure about this) costs 150k.

Abs 180k.

almost 65k difference for ~5 bhp?

When comes to 220. it's a best bike for indian roads. gives ~40 kmpl which is pretty good. can easily cruse @90-100kmph. which is more then enough for Indian roads and even in highways. You are no where doing 140kmph on cbr for 1 full minute.

At end of the day both bikes are same with little bit diff in pickup.

i won't at all buy cbr250r even i have money.

i'm not supporting bajaj and no hate Honda.

My free advice to Honda :

Make a 400cc With around 50rwhp.
sell it for anywhere between 3.5-4.2 lack.
Trust me i would buy that anyway.

Regards

Sonu.

**nitrosatya** · 01-01-2011, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by sonu1990 View Post

First no hate Honda. (actually love the Honda)

If u ask me, i would say cbr250r is over priced. Really.
Why?
for a moment don't talk about quality here.

A 220 with 21 rwhp costs ~ 86k

Now from Honda it's a 250cc with 26rwhp (no 1 sure about this) costs 150k.

Abs 180k.

almost 65k difference for ~5 bhp?

When comes to 220. it's a best bike for indian roads. gives ~40 kmpl which is pretty good. can easily cruse @90-100kmph. which is more then enough for Indian roads and even in highways. You are no where doing 140kmph on cbr for 1 full minute.

At end of the day both bikes are same with little bit diff in pickup.

i won't at all buy cbr250r even i have money.

i'm not supporting bajaj and no hate Honda.

My free advice to Honda :

Make a 400cc With around 50rwhp.
sell it for anywhere between 3.5-4.2 lack.
Trust me i would buy that anyway.

Regards

Sonu.

A proper 400 or 600 with more than one cylinder is what India needs right now.

The bold part above: I think you cannot generalise for whole India on just one city. Go to the superbikes section and check the video posted by Tenhut in his CBR1000RR thread. There are people who do 220+ kmph in Pune. (outside city)
Personally i have been with a very experienced rider as a pillion on Busa. And we touched 190kmph for a good 2 mins.
The point is,you need experience to go faster. And we limit ourselves only because of our bikes. Atleast me.

Edit: Check the video and do check the Gixxer's speed.

COPS Sunday Rides

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQmlpyniq-o&feature=player_embedded

TO DO :SUNDAY, RIDE WITH COPS (Club of Pune Superbikes)by TenHut

**sonu1990** · 01-02-2011, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by nitrosatya View Post

A proper 400 or 600 with more than one cylinder is what India needs right now.

The bold part above: I think you cannot generalise for whole India on just one city. Go to the superbikes section and check the video posted by Tenhut in his CBR1000RR thread. There are people who do 220+ kmph in Pune. (outside city)
Personally i have been with a very experienced rider as a pillion on Busa. And we touched 190kmph for a good 2 mins.
The point is,you need experience to go faster. And we limit ourselves only because of our bikes. Atleast me.

Edit: Check the video and do check the Gixxer's speed.
YouTube - COPS Sunday Rides

I have watched the video the day he posted. Good video tho.

Generally speaking it's not possible in India dude. You know your also from our India. Indian roads are real bad for such high speeds. You must always be careful with other people on road. they don't know what they do

. I'm not sure about 190 for 2 min. it's a nightmare on Indian roads.

**nitrosatya** · 01-02-2011, 12:20 AM

^I agree with you 100%.
I have a P220 back in India. There were some months when i didn't even touch 70 kmph.
But i used to take her out on weekends to just hit 120 kmph. There are some roads. But what you say is correct, it is not possible everyday. And the 200kmph blasts are a special event.

But it is not impossible on Indian roads. Just need that special time of the day and place. Lets have a poll thread. What say?
Cheers.

**Samy** · 01-02-2011, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by nitrosatya View Post

And we limit ourselves only because of our bikes.

The truth is just opposite of above statement. We hold our bikes back. The Same P220 with same stock tires can be ridden must faster by a better rider.

**xionite** · 01-02-2011, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by sonu1990 View Post

for a moment don't talk about quality here.

u're kinda auto-agreeing that the CBR will be better in quality.

Originally posted by sonu1990 View Post

A 220 with 21 rwhp costs ~ 86k

Now from Honda it's a 250cc with 26rwhp (no 1 sure about this) costs 150k.

almost 65k difference for ~5 bhp?

5bhp only? really?
is that the only difference between the P220 and the CBR250R?

not a smoother engine?
not liquid cooling?
not a full fairing?
not better tyres?
not properly designed chasis? (not just something that was done a decade ago)
not ABS?

comparing the pricing to that of a P220 is a joke. a really bad one too.

Originally posted by sonu1990 View Post

When comes to 220. it's a best bike for indian roads. gives ~40 kmpl which is pretty good. can easily cruse @90-100kmph. which is more then enough for Indian roads and even in highways.

the P220 is a good bike for all of what u've mentioned.

Originally posted by sonu1990 View Post

You are no where doing 140kmph on cbr for 1 full minute.

hmmmmmm... not really. totally possible. loads of places.

Originally posted by sonu1990 View Post

At end of the day both bikes are same with little bit diff in pickup.

wow! i don't even know where to begin to disagree with that.

Originally posted by sonu1990 View Post

My free advice to Honda :

Make a 400cc With around 50rwhp.
sell it for anywhere between 3.5-4.2 lack.
Trust me i would buy that anyway.

it's called the CBR400RR. u can get one second hand for about 2 lac.
u can put the balance 2 lac towards a spares & maintenance budget.

it's perfect for indian roads.

and it's one bad mother!

**REAPER** · 01-02-2011, 09:53 AM

yes, its stupid to compare 220 and cbr. But for someone already using a p220 ,is cbr250r really a worthy upgrade?(21ps single 220cc to 26ps single 250cc ?) considering there are two possible 250twin cyl (p250&gw250) bikes yet to be revealed.

**sonu1990** · 01-02-2011, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by REAPER View Post

yes, its stupid to compare 220 and cbr. But for someone already using a p220 ,is cbr250r really a worthy upgrade?(21ps single 220cc to 26ps single 250cc ?) considering there are two possible 250twin cyl (p250&gw250) bikes yet to be revealed.

It's obviously not a good upgrade.

it's a good upgrade for 150 or billow users.

**Horror** · 01-02-2011, 10:50 AM

There might be the Yamaha coming out with it's fazer250, bajaj with P250, and the suzuki with GW250.... So I recommend that guy's wanting to upgrade to a 250cc bike wait a year or so more and you might have many options open and many more bikes to choose from...

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