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  • Mate, I do not think it is a trellis frame in the real sense. It is a normal twin spar frame with truss reinforcement towards the steering pivot. A trellis frame, as seen commonaly on Ducatis, has this truss structure throuugh the full length of the frame right from the steering head to the swing arm.
    Nevertheless, I miss the R15's beam type twin spar frame Honda could have implemented a similar frame made of steel as in R15.
    Last edited by MG; 04-07-2011, 09:40 PM. Reason: Wrong info source post deleted

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    • Originally posted by sudeepnbr View Post
      Thanks for the Update Vijay!
      There are no Optional Accessories for the CBR (in the price list). Does that mean everything is included in that price or we need to pay for it again?
      Heard that Honda gives Number Plate, RVMs, Side Stand as accessories.
      Not sure about the accessories. I beleive, it should come with everything including the number plate.

      Originally posted by ajaymanohar View Post
      Thanks for that info. Freaking 20k Road Tax is what I was screaming about earlier. Its life time. This is the reason why vehicles from other states when being ridden/driven in Bangalore, need to pay a hefty sum as tax.
      Whats the timeline for getting the number? Because I am planning to ride it only after I get proper RC/Smart Card, etc...
      I think one time paying the tax is better than paying every year Preferably if you keep the bike for a long time.
      you will be getting the number in 2 - 3 days of time. Till then u can ride it saying "FOR REGISTRATION". But be careful. you need to keep the paper of the bike with you if you get caught by the Cops.
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      • Originally posted by ajaymanohar View Post
        Whats the timeline for getting the number? Because I am planning to ride it only after I get proper RC/Smart Card, etc...
        You can get the number is 2-3 days as Vijay mentioned.
        For the RC/Smart Card, it would take around 30-45 days. Until then you can carry the receipt (as a substitute for RC book) which the showroom people would give you after registering your bike.

        EDIT:
        I had called up Sapphire Honda now.
        According to them, the bikes have been dispatched from Gurgaon plant yesterday. And it would be in the showrooms by 15th.
        The final prices are the same that has been posted by Vijay. Inquired them about that accessories. They said that list will be available by 10th. However, RVMs, Side Stand and Number Plates are standard. So I'm not sure what are the accessories they are going to list.
        Last edited by sudeepnbr; 04-06-2011, 11:40 AM. Reason: Added the EDIT part.
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        • From all the bookings I see only one all silver color. I don't understand why Honda is coming up with such stupid colors. They could have brought the HRC here.

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          • Originally posted by jerk View Post
            From all the bookings I see only one all silver color. I don't understand why Honda is coming up with such stupid colors. They could have brought the HRC here.
            IMO,HRC would be brought in later(may be 6 months from the launch) as limited edition and to lure few more customers- a marketing strategy!

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            • Originally posted by sudeepnbr View Post
              ...
              EDIT:
              I had called up Sapphire Honda now.
              According to them, the bikes have been dispatched from Gurgaon plant yesterday. And it would be in the showrooms by 15th.
              The final prices are the same that has been posted by Vijay. Inquired them about that accessories. They said that list will be available by 10th. However, RVMs, Side Stand and Number Plates are standard. So I'm not sure what are the accessories they are going to list.
              ...
              I am sure centre stand can be put on CBR right? I would personally prefer a Paddock Stand, but if we can fix centre stand, it would be great.

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              • Originally posted by ASIF AHMED View Post
                IMO,HRC would be brought in later(may be 6 months from the launch) as limited edition and to lure few more customers- a marketing strategy!
                ^^ Absolutely correct. Just like the FZ..Then they came up with FZ-S/Midnight Edition with only cosmetic changes and nothing else.

                @Jerk: Anyway, you can always get a better paint job if you can find a good paint shop. You can even go for a repsol color if you like.
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                • Originally posted by HH_HUNK View Post
                  Man this RON & MON thing is freaking me out!!!!!

                  Guys fight all you want but please solve it before we get our babies!!!!!!
                  It is not a fight my friend, we are trying to share info so that it helps us&others.

                  Originally posted by sayhi2sai View Post
                  erm, first MON is Motor Octane Number and not Minimum. also, the MON of the petrol at the normal bunks is 81 and not 87 like you mentioned. Most bikes will have a minimum of both RON and MON required. I assumed here that the rating indicated on the bike is 91 (RON) , we can only get more information on this when we look a the bike manual. Or if anyone could get a much closer look at that number 91 on the sticker on the tank, i can give you a much concrete answer. I hope this answers your question.
                  Originally posted by sayhi2sai View Post
                  ^ also in continuation , in general unless ofcourse it is specifically mentioned, the octane rating of a fuel corresponds to its RON and not MON. And say if CBR needs fuel with minimum MON of 91, then even Shell will not be able to help us. I am not sure about the RON of the SHell petrol(speculation it to be somewhere around 94) but I am absolutely sure that the MON is not 91. So if, CBR requires a minimum MON of 91, god help us, in importing fuels
                  Originally posted by sayhi2sai View Post
                  I think its settled boss, as simple as this, 91 is in all probability RON, and if its that then, you can fill it at any petrol bunk in india, and if its in all improbability
                  the MON, then import your fuel from elsewhere, which is prop estrous and can safely be ignored ??? Actually, i did know all of this when i made the first post, but I ignored these details, taking practicality into consideration... I knew this would confuse some people, hence I suggested in generic terms. But technically, this is the whole deal... Any more queries left regarding this??
                  Originally posted by sayhi2sai View Post
                  LOL, no that was my attempt at a sarcastic joke. See , I am absolutely sure when I tell people here, that petrol from every bunk is good, infact it is inline with the suggested petrol to be used. But , if i just came out and made that statement, who would believe/trust? considering it's only my 4th post? :P anyway, you will not be compromising on the performance/damage the bike's engine if you use petrol from the normal bunks. cheers

                  And what's that one query you said is left?
                  Good healthy discussion there. Sorry about the MON abbreviation, my bad.
                  So now its accepted that 91 RON is the fuel that will be sold across India.
                  However, what I'm trying to say is: 91 RON is NOT 91 octane.
                  Also, the so called Premium fuels (with the exception of Speed 97), are still the same octane fuel, albeit with additives.
                  See the below Wikipedia site which talks about RON, MON&AKI.
                  Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                  As mentioned here, "Many high-performance engines are designed to operate with a high maximum compression, and thus demand high-octane premium gasoline. A common misconception is that power output or fuel mileage can be improved by burning higher octane fuel than specified by the engine manufacturer. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of its fuel, but similar fuels with different octane ratings have similar density. Because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot produce more power.
                  However, burning fuel with a lower octane rating than required by the engine often reduces power output and efficiency one way or another. If the engine begins to detonate, that reduces power and efficiency for the reasons stated above."

                  India: India's Ordinary And Premium Petrols are of 89–91 RON. The premium petrols are generally ordinary fuels with additives, that do not really change the octane value. Two variants, "Speed 93" and "Speed 97", were launched, with RON values of 93 and 97. India's economy-class vehicles usually have compression ratios under 10:1, thus enabling them to use lower-quality petrol without engine knocking.[citation needed]

                  Unfortunately, since in India we do not have the option of actually getting 91 octane fuel, which might bring out the best in vehicles with engine CR of >10.0:1, the next best would be regular octane petrol with additives in it.
                  Reason: "Most fuel stations have two storage tanks (even those offering 3 or 4 octane levels), and you are given a mixture of the higher and lower octane fuel for the intermediate grades. Premium is fuel from the higher octane tank, and the minimum grade sold is fuel from the lower octane tank. Purchasing 91 (where offered) simply means more fuel from the higher octane tank than purchasing 89; the detergents in the fuel are often identical. But for some producers, the additive package is different between the higher and lower octane rating."

                  But at the end of the day, we must not go below the recommended octane number, so as to ensure that there is no knocking, since our vehicles are not equipped with anti knock sensors, which automatically retard the ignition timing.

                  I guess that is not a concern, since I remember seeing on a Ninja's tank when I was in Japan, "Use fuel of minimum 89 octane rating".
                  If the Ninja 250, having a higher compression ratio (11.6:1) than the CBR can take the regular 89 octane petrol without any knocking, then there is no reason why the CBR 250 should not be able to take it.

                  In essence, what I mean to say is, Indian vehicles with an engine CR of >10.0:1 (including the R15, with a compression ratio of 10.4:1) can run fine on petrol from any petrol pump, but they will perform better (reason cited above) if treated to fuel with additives.
                  Last edited by Sarvajit; 04-06-2011, 12:41 PM.
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                  • @Jerk: Anyway, you can always get a better paint job if you can find a good paint shop. You can even go for a repsol color if you like. [/QUOTE]
                    if u wanna get a paint job,u need to get black cbr! for people who would love to get ur bikes modded,blk is the option! imo though!!!

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                    • Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                      It is not a fight my friend, we are trying to share info so that it helps us&others.









                      Good healthy discussion there. Sorry about the MON abbreviation, my bad.
                      So now its accepted that 91 RON is the fuel that will be sold across India.
                      However, what I'm trying to say is: 91 RON is NOT 91 octane.
                      Also, the so called Premium fuels (with the exception of Speed 97), are still the same octane fuel, albeit with additives.
                      See the below Wikipedia site which talks about RON, MON&AKI.
                      Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                      As mentioned here, "Many high-performance engines are designed to operate with a high maximum compression, and thus demand high-octane premium gasoline. A common misconception is that power output or fuel mileage can be improved by burning higher octane fuel than specified by the engine manufacturer. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of its fuel, but similar fuels with different octane ratings have similar density. Because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot produce more power.
                      However, burning fuel with a lower octane rating than required by the engine often reduces power output and efficiency one way or another. If the engine begins to detonate, that reduces power and efficiency for the reasons stated above."

                      India: India's Ordinary And Premium Petrols are of 89–91 RON. The premium petrols are generally ordinary fuels with additives, that do not really change the octane value. Two variants, "Speed 93" and "Speed 97", were launched, with RON values of 93 and 97. India's economy-class vehicles usually have compression ratios under 10:1, thus enabling them to use lower-quality petrol without engine knocking.[citation needed]

                      Unfortunately, since in India we do not have the option of actually getting 91 octane fuel, which might bring out the best in vehicles with engine CR of >10.0:1, the next best would be regular octane petrol with additives in it.
                      Reason: "Most fuel stations have two storage tanks (even those offering 3 or 4 octane levels), and you are given a mixture of the higher and lower octane fuel for the intermediate grades. Premium is fuel from the higher octane tank, and the minimum grade sold is fuel from the lower octane tank. Purchasing 91 (where offered) simply means more fuel from the higher octane tank than purchasing 89; the detergents in the fuel are often identical. But for some producers, the additive package is different between the higher and lower octane rating."

                      But at the end of the day, we must not go below the recommended octane number, so as to ensure that there is no knocking, since our vehicles are not equipped with anti knock sensors, which automatically retard the ignition timing.

                      I guess that is not a concern, since I remember seeing on a Ninja's tank when I was in Japan, "Use fuel of minimum 89 octane rating".
                      If the Ninja 250, having a higher compression ratio (11.6:1) than the CBR can take the regular 89 octane petrol without any knocking, then there is no reason why the CBR 250 should not be able to take it.

                      In essence, what I mean to say is, Indian vehicles with an engine CR of >10.0:1 (including the R15, with a compression ratio of 10.4:1) can run fine on petrol from any petrol pump, but they will perform better (reason cited above) if treated to fuel with additives.
                      thanks bro, that helped a lot !
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                      • sorry i was off this forum for couple of days .. can some one plz tell me is still disply bike is available in B'lore or still everyone is waiting ??
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                        • Originally posted by nagoo View Post
                          sorry i was off this forum for couple of days .. can some one plz tell me is still disply bike is available in B'lore or still everyone is waiting ??
                          Display bikes have not yet reached Bangalore. Sapphire Honda says, they would be getting it by 15th. Bikes have already been dispatched from Gurgaon yesterday.
                          Last edited by sudeepnbr; 04-06-2011, 01:36 PM. Reason: Grammatical mistake
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                          • Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                            It is not a fight my friend, we are trying to share info so that it helps us&others.

                            Good healthy discussion there. Sorry about the MON abbreviation, my bad.
                            So now its accepted that 91 RON is the fuel that will be sold across India.
                            However, what I'm trying to say is: 91 RON is NOT 91 octane.
                            Also, the so called Premium fuels (with the exception of Speed 97), are still the same octane fuel, albeit with additives.
                            See the below Wikipedia site which talks about RON, MON&AKI.
                            Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                            As mentioned here, "Many high-performance engines are designed to operate with a high maximum compression, and thus demand high-octane premium gasoline. A common misconception is that power output or fuel mileage can be improved by burning higher octane fuel than specified by the engine manufacturer. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of its fuel, but similar fuels with different octane ratings have similar density. Because switching to a higher octane fuel does not add more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot produce more power.
                            However, burning fuel with a lower octane rating than required by the engine often reduces power output and efficiency one way or another. If the engine begins to detonate, that reduces power and efficiency for the reasons stated above."

                            India: . The premium petrols are generally ordinary fuels with additives, that do not really change the octane value. Two variants, "Speed 93" and "Speed 97", were launched, with RON values of 93 and 97. India's economy-class vehicles usually have compression ratios under 10:1, thus enabling them to use lower-quality petrol without engine knocking.[citation needed]

                            Unfortunately, since in India we do not have the option of actually getting 91 octane fuel, which might bring out the best in vehicles with engine CR of >10.0:1, the next best would be regular octane petrol with additives in it.
                            Reason: "Most fuel stations have two storage tanks (even those offering 3 or 4 octane levels), and you are given a mixture of the higher and lower octane fuel for the intermediate grades. Premium is fuel from the higher octane tank, and the minimum grade sold is fuel from the lower octane tank. Purchasing 91 (where offered) simply means more fuel from the higher octane tank than purchasing 89; the detergents in the fuel are often identical. But for some producers, the additive package is different between the higher and lower octane rating."

                            But at the end of the day, we must not go below the recommended octane number, so as to ensure that there is no knocking, since our vehicles are not equipped with anti knock sensors, which automatically retard the ignition timing.

                            I guess that is not a concern, since I remember seeing on a Ninja's tank when I was in Japan, "Use fuel of minimum 89 octane rating".
                            If the Ninja 250, having a higher compression ratio (11.6:1) than the CBR can take the regular 89 octane petrol without any knocking, then there is no reason why the CBR 250 should not be able to take it.

                            In essence, what I mean to say is, Indian vehicles with an engine CR of >10.0:1 (including the R15, with a compression ratio of 10.4:1) can run fine on petrol from any petrol pump, but they will perform better (reason cited above) if treated to fuel with additives.
                            Ok this is what I wanted to avoid, more confusion... Still since, you seek it, I will give you. In general Octane rating is 3 types, RON, MON and Pump Octane. Pump octane is nothing but an average of RON and MON, which is also known as AKI (Anti-Knock Index). What Sarvajit says is right, your bike's performance will improve if you use petrol with additives , let it be IOCL's extra premium or Speed or whatever, but then what you should understand as well is that, the performance of any bike in general will increase when you use a petrol with additives, even your scooter or bajaj spirit . But it is not mandated to use.

                            What I am trying to say here is, there is no difference in Octane rating between the branded petrols (extra premium or Speed) from the normal petrol, they just have extra additives, which prevent blockage or formation of residue inside the engine. And also, speed 97 has been discontinued, it is no longer available.

                            Hope this helps

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                            • Any of you who have seen the CBR in flesh, does the CBR look broad in the front like R15 with good sports bike proportions? OR is it narrow like the Karizma?

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                              • Originally posted by shivaprasad.ms View Post
                                Any of you who have seen the CBR in flesh, does the CBR look broad in the front like R15 with good sports bike proportions? OR is it narrow like the Karizma?
                                Well, IMO it looks good, big and proportionate.. better than R15.. also the 110/70 front tires enhances the front look.. which suits the bike unlike r15..
                                i have posted front pics regarding the indicator thing a few pages back..
                                You gotta risk it.. to get da biscuit !!!

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