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  • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

    Originally posted by Rishabh14 View Post
    Some personal views regarding KTM RC series -
    If the naked bikes are having so many teething issues like
    1)vibrations
    2)unknown sounds
    3)nuts and bolts (loosen time to time)
    And so on(if any)
    Then the conditions of fully faired bikes in India would be the worst, since fairing involves a lot of fit , finish and precision while assembling, and we know that how good bajaj is when it comes to fit and finish.
    If Bajaj was not able to make it's naked bikes like pulsar 200nd and tge two dukes(200,390)vibe free, then the no. Of these issues will probably increase only.
    P.S.- I liked ktm RC 390 and pulsar 400ss very much and I am planning to buy any one of these two. I know that BAL is trying its best to improve there quality and 200ns is a very nice machine but acc.to me its difficult to make fully faired bikes than naked ones.
    Cheers
    To me unknown sounds in duke 200/390 are not much of an issue. They are mainly due to loose chain and may be loose chassis nuts. A bit of tightening in general(better if according to the recommended torque) takes care of the general squeaks a lot and vibs too. Of course they can't totally be eliminated owing to the engine config(big singles).
    If we look at the entire KTM range you'd see a common binding factor : gear box with an agricultural character, small vibs(not unbearable) which are dowsed when rpms rise, sharp fuelling leading to a bit of jerkiness at low rpms , delicious torque and generally having dollops of character
    Refinement is never associated with KTM bikes and in fact Europeans/ Americans go for a KTM(or may be a duc) after being tired of the super refined/ well behaved/dependable Jap bikes.
    KTMs are also classfied as being a bit more maintenance requiring, less thanthe ducs of course, but more than the ultra dependable Japs.
    The Indian made dukes confirm to all of these characteristics IMO.

    The real issue to me is relatively inferior(read made of lesser materials) parts which Bajaj may have chosen to maximise profits. This quality might have suited the regular 150 cc Indian fare, but the same parts gone inside a lot more powerful and stiffly strung Duke give up very early.
    The nut threading gives up, oil starts leaking out from engine, small amount of coolant overflows out, mags getting cracked(in case if 390 and NOT the 200 in general) , fan winding gone in about 10-15 k, clutch plates needing two replacements in 25 kms, these are real quality issues to me.

    Btw I believe the RC series would have less issues , at least no oil leaks. No one would notice small leaks thanks to the big fairing
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    Scotland-
    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...-3600-kms.html
    France -Normandy and Paris on the CBR
    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...adventure.html
    KTM chronicles-
    http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...hronicles.html

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    • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

      Originally posted by Doga View Post
      To me unknown sounds in duke 200/390 are not much of an issue. They are mainly due to loose chain and may be loose chassis nuts. A bit of tightening in general(better if according to the recommended torque) takes care of the general squeaks a lot and vibs too. Of course they can't totally be eliminated owing to the engine config(big singles).
      If we look at the entire KTM range you'd see a common binding factor : gear box with an agricultural character, small vibs(not unbearable) which are dowsed when rpms rise, sharp fuelling leading to a bit of jerkiness at low rpms , delicious torque and generally having dollops of character
      Refinement is never associated with KTM bikes and in fact Europeans/ Americans go for a KTM(or may be a duc) after being tired of the super refined/ well behaved/dependable Jap bikes.
      KTMs are also classfied as being a bit more maintenance requiring, less thanthe ducs of course, but more than the ultra dependable Japs.
      The Indian made dukes confirm to all of these characteristics IMO.

      The real issue to me is relatively inferior(read made of lesser materials) parts which Bajaj may have chosen to maximise profits. This quality might have suited the regular 150 cc Indian fare, but the same parts gone inside a lot more powerful and stiffly strung Duke give up very early.
      The nut threading gives up, oil starts leaking out from engine, small amount of coolant overflows out, mags getting cracked(in case if 390 and NOT the 200 in general) , fan winding gone in about 10-15 k, clutch plates needing two replacements in 25 kms, these are real quality issues to me.

      Btw I believe the RC series would have less issues , at least no oil leaks. No one would notice small leaks thanks to the big fairing
      The big fairing part scares me. I can live with the vibes as long as it doesn't makes any irritating sound. But in the long run, these bikes wont be reliable since, frequently leaking oils and coolant are not a good sign.
      Though bajaj is taking a long time to launch all the bikes(390RC,400ss,etc) even after test running the bikes, maybe they are trying to remove all the teething issues they have faced in test running bikes. Lets hope for the best.
      Fingers crossed!

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      • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

        When a new production is launched there is bound to be oil leaks, vibrations and some other minor irritants (which may not be be minor for the owners) because these would be coming freshly baked off the assembly line for the first time. All these niggles will be rectified in due course when the production stabilises and settles down. I don' think they can afford to use sub-standard material since the bikes are same are exported ones and it would be flagged by KTM scanner. Even smaller parts for these would have to undergo a stabilising ripple for small parts source from third parties since it would be new for them too. This is a continuous process for any manufacturing company but they iron it out in a few batches or production runs.

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        • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

          Originally posted by sparky View Post
          When a new production is launched there is bound to be oil leaks, vibrations and some other minor irritants (which may not be be minor for the owners) because these would be coming freshly baked off the assembly line for the first time. All these niggles will be rectified in due course when the production stabilises and settles down. I don' think they can afford to use sub-standard material since the bikes are same are exported ones and it would be flagged by KTM scanner. Even smaller parts for these would have to undergo a stabilising ripple for small parts source from third parties since it would be new for them too. This is a continuous process for any manufacturing company but they iron it out in a few batches or production runs.
          AFAIK, KTM redoes the quality checking process in Austria on the India built bikes before selling them off to the first world. That's why those bikes have a lot better quality than the Indian ones. May be the export bikes undergo stricter QC here in India too(than the ones meant for local market)?

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          • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

            Originally posted by pcgamer View Post
            Why? What's wrong? The term supersport has sort of become a common name for a type of motorcycles which have track focused handling and riding position. When a puny KTM RC125 is called a supersport, what's wrong in calling the big boy GTR by the same name?
            Let my try to explain my perspective and thought :

            I thought a middle weight super sport is much more than forward lean posture.

            Like 636, r6, gsx r 600, cbr 600, Daytona etc will have top end engine, frame and suspension bits. And great electronic packages. Usually a middle weight super sport bike will have best performance for the capacity (at least 100 wheel hp) and will be light. Then a they have nice bits like slipper clutch etc.

            I cannot see GTR ticking anything more than the posture here. It's heavy old tech no high end performance no high tech equipment. If it was a super sport it will be competing with 636 instead of ninja 650 in the middle weight category.

            Didn't intent to hurt any owners in any way.

            About emerging small capacity bikes called super sport.

            Let us take us the example of r15, when other 150s were on tubular frame, carburettor, producing 13-15 hp, r15 managed 17. When other 150s died at 100 -110 kmph, r15 did 130. It was having technology quality, handling and performance to beat anything in that segment. It looked like a starter for the track in 150 cc segment not just by design and ergonomics.

            So I won't be able to say against someone claiming an r15 v2 as a supersport.

            Different people these days have different expectations about a supersport, for example addiing a full fairing will suffice for bajaj.

            What I said are my considerations after all. If I have a gtr I will not call it supersport.

            If somebody considers that bike for its track friendly riding stance, I will recommend a ninja 650 with handle bar and rear set mods.





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            • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

              Originally posted by kochumvk View Post
              Let my try to explain my perspective and thought :

              I thought a middle weight super sport is much more than forward lean posture.

              Like 636, r6, gsx r 600, cbr 600, Daytona etc will have top end engine, frame and suspension bits. And great electronic packages. Usually a middle weight super sport bike will have best performance for the capacity (at least 100 wheel hp) and will be light. Then a they have nice bits like slipper clutch etc.

              I cannot see GTR ticking anything more than the posture here. It's heavy old tech no high end performance no high tech equipment. If it was a super sport it will be competing with 636 instead of ninja 650 in the middle weight category.

              Didn't intent to hurt any owners in any way.

              About emerging small capacity bikes called super sport.

              Let us take us the example of r15, when other 150s were on tubular frame, carburettor, producing 13-15 hp, r15 managed 17. When other 150s died at 100 -110 kmph, r15 did 130. It was having technology quality, handling and performance to beat anything in that segment. It looked like a starter for the track in 150 cc segment not just by design and ergonomics.

              So I won't be able to say against someone claiming an r15 v2 as a supersport.

              Different people these days have different expectations about a supersport, for example addiing a full fairing will suffice for bajaj.

              What I said are my considerations after all. If I have a gtr I will not call it supersport.

              If somebody considers that bike for its track friendly riding stance, I will recommend a ninja 650 with handle bar and rear set mods.





              Sent from a phone that results in frequent spelling mistakes.
              well put. what you have penned down was known though.
              but then thats the reason i called rc a supersport.
              as for the gt650r, it was all about what we are getting at that price point.
              if i got a 636 at 7 lacs here i wouldnt have bothered to mention gt650r.
              it was all about the perspective, my friend.

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              • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                Originally posted by kochumvk View Post
                Let my try to explain my perspective and thought :

                I thought a middle weight super sport is much more than forward lean posture.

                Like 636, r6, gsx r 600, cbr 600, Daytona etc will have top end engine, frame and suspension bits. And great electronic packages. Usually a middle weight super sport bike will have best performance for the capacity (at least 100 wheel hp) and will be light. Then a they have nice bits like slipper clutch etc.

                I cannot see GTR ticking anything more than the posture here. It's heavy old tech no high end performance no high tech equipment. If it was a super sport it will be competing with 636 instead of ninja 650 in the middle weight category.

                Didn't intent to hurt any owners in any way.

                About emerging small capacity bikes called super sport.

                Let us take us the example of r15, when other 150s were on tubular frame, carburettor, producing 13-15 hp, r15 managed 17. When other 150s died at 100 -110 kmph, r15 did 130. It was having technology quality, handling and performance to beat anything in that segment. It looked like a starter for the track in 150 cc segment not just by design and ergonomics.

                So I won't be able to say against someone claiming an r15 v2 as a supersport.

                Different people these days have different expectations about a supersport, for example addiing a full fairing will suffice for bajaj.

                What I said are my considerations after all. If I have a gtr I will not call it supersport.

                If somebody considers that bike for its track friendly riding stance, I will recommend a ninja 650 with handle bar and rear set mods.





                Sent from a phone that results in frequent spelling mistakes.

                Yeah. I agree. You're completely right about the term supersport.
                But GT and others are being called supersport may be because of the lack of a better term. Also, like stated above, it is a pretty good performer in its price range and handles better(from what I've read) than its competitor too(N650). The term supersport is getting diluted these days and is being associated with any track focused tool, again may be due to the lack of a better term. But Bajaj calling their full faired bike as Supersport is absolutely ridiculous
                Last edited by pcgamer; 03-15-2014, 04:00 PM.

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                • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                  Saw an RC near bajaj RnD center.

                  Seating posture is forward leaned.
                  Has DRL.
                  Sounds exactly like regular Duke.
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                  • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                    Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                    Saw an RC near bajaj RnD center.

                    Seating posture is forward leaned.
                    Has DRL.
                    Sounds exactly like regular Duke.
                    please tell me how does it looks in flesh??
                    please compare the looks with n300?

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                    • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                      Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post

                      Sounds exactly like regular Duke.
                      This is a bad news to me. The exhaust note is fine for a naked I think, but a faired track oriented bike has to have a more refined growl IMO. Besides this means other guys on the road would not know just from the note what exactly is going to overtake them from behind
                      The hero always RIDES into the sunset!

                      My Touring Logs-
                      French Riviera
                      https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/38345-biking-french-riviera.html
                      Scotland-
                      http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...-3600-kms.html
                      France -Normandy and Paris on the CBR
                      http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...adventure.html
                      KTM chronicles-
                      http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...hronicles.html

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                      • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                        Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                        Saw an RC near bajaj RnD center.

                        Seating posture is forward leaned.
                        Has DRL.
                        Sounds exactly like regular Duke.
                        Did you hear it while revving or idling? Because the exhaust note is definitely being modified. That's what I heard from a high placed source. Though it must not be very different.

                        Also the 390 might be launched first till July. A small change in Bajaj plans is possible.

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                        Last edited by nitrosatya; 03-20-2014, 09:11 PM.

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                        • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                          Originally posted by nitrosatya View Post
                          Did you hear it while revving or idling? Because the exhaust note is definitely being modified. That's what I heard from a high placed source. Though it must not be very different.

                          Also the 390 might be launched first till July. A small change in Bajaj plans is possible.

                          Sent from my Nexus 7 using xBhp Connect mobile app
                          Again bad news to me!! A launch in July would mean getting the new shiny bike super dirty in the Mumbai rains.

                          They should launch it in Sep, when I my employer releases incentives
                          The hero always RIDES into the sunset!

                          My Touring Logs-
                          French Riviera
                          https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/38345-biking-french-riviera.html
                          Scotland-
                          http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...-3600-kms.html
                          France -Normandy and Paris on the CBR
                          http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/3...adventure.html
                          KTM chronicles-
                          http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/tourer/2...hronicles.html

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                          • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                            does it bother anyone that the title of this thread is misleading!?!

                            the bike hasn't been launched yet.
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                            • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                              Originally posted by xionite View Post
                              does it bother anyone that the title of this thread is misleading!?!

                              the bike hasn't been launched yet.
                              Yeah, my heart skipped a beat when I read the title only to be disappointed.I am desperately waiting for this bike to launch and some reviews to come out...
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                              • Re: KTM RC 390 Launched: xBhp News

                                Originally posted by jackofsome View Post
                                please tell me how does it looks in flesh??
                                please compare the looks with n300?

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                                It was big alright, maybe not as fat as ninja. It was camouflage painted. Anyway with solid colors it's bound to look big. About looks, it looks nothing like our general perception on bike shapes. That oddball design of headlights make it look very futuristic TBH. Folks who are used to seeing R15 like designs will need some time digesting this design.

                                All it needs some big barrel guns on the front (like batcycle) to complete the looks.

                                Originally posted by Doga View Post
                                This is a bad news to me. The exhaust note is fine for a naked I think, but a faired track oriented bike has to have a more refined growl IMO. Besides this means other guys on the road would not know just from the note what exactly is going to overtake them from behind
                                Originally posted by nitrosatya View Post
                                Did you hear it while revving or idling? Because the exhaust note is definitely being modified. That's what I heard from a high placed source. Though it must not be very different.
                                The rider was in first/second gear. He was pulling away from the lights. I was able to hear the sound notes only for a few seconds. The exhaust notes may be different at higher RPM but I wouldn't know that. I remember Duke's exhaust note being characterless and RC's was too characterless.
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