2009 Bajaj Pulsar 220 Discussion Thread - First Ride Impression at Post No. 514

[sumit512]

Dude, I didn't meant that !! BTW, Zma may be old but it's the most proven commuter and tourer, P220 doesn't fit into either of the category convincingly....yet !!

Obviously you don't and probably wont like what bajaj make be it anything. Why are you wasting your time here? Most of us are so ignorant and foolish that we wont stop appreciating bajaj inspite of the fact that they make the worst lot of Indian bikes. You would better do in ZMA ownership thread mate.
Incidentally ... I do not think that ZMA is a bad bike. I just rue the lack of anywhatsoever upgrade in an age old bike which has taken away its competency.

[silver_falcon_46]

No wonder serious bike manufacturers the Japs and the others are reluctant to bring in their bikes.

How will the Indian scenario ever improve????

If a down graded bike gets such a hype in India cause it is cheap, how will the biking scenario in India develop???

Forget all the latest technology, forget liquid cooling, forget twin spar frames, forget Fi, forget mono shocks, forget double disc brakes forget everything India is and will remain stuck with air cooled carbed engines mounted on bicycle frames..because it comes cheap..thats it..when it is cheap forget technology, forget safety, forget performance, forget braking, forget cornering forget riding gears, forget helmets..forget everything...
India biking will never improve...
I will now never blame Hero Honda and the Munjals for anything..they are probably the best Indian Auto brains...

Sad that the P220 was down graded in the interest of revenues..now more and more non helmeted, t shirt clad guys will be wheeling around local buses and autos on MG Road...good bye to bikers...

BANG outside target. This is exactly how a market grows, its called "competition". So what if the Unicorn had Monoshocks? I have hardly seen anybody choose a Unicorn over a CBZ xtreme just because a Unicorn has Monoshocks. American 250 Ninjas are carb powered and European ones are Fi, does that mean the American bike market is going to the dogs?

Like OldFox mentioned before, what is the point of technology if there are no deliverables?? And one of the deliverables include affordability for the indian mass. If a bike can perform just as well with improved reliability and performance by downgrading their technology then who cares? And if your really bothered about non helmet T shirt clad guys, I can show you a quite a few superbikes around bangalore pulling wheelies on the busy streets with a t shirt, without a helmet and without gear. I dont think safety comes with the bike, it has to be within you.

EDIT: I'm sure there is an Fi 220 with this new engine on the anvil with improved roll on times and improved efficiency from the same mill. Why will they sell an older engine with Fi and a newer engine with carb side by side. And I'm sure there is a deliverable behind Fi, the roll on times, the efficiency will speak for itself.

[Durvesh]

the new pulsar 220 dts-i on road mumbai price 80015/-.this price conform from thane pbk showroom.

[Shadowboy]

BANG outside target. This is exactly how a market grows, its called "competition". So what if the Unicorn had Monoshocks? I have hardly seen anybody choose a Unicorn over a CBZ xtreme just because a Unicorn has Monoshocks. American 250 Ninjas are carb powered and European ones are Fi, does that mean the American bike market is going to the dogs?

Like OldFox mentioned before, what is the point of technology if there are no deliverables?? And one of the deliverables include affordability for the indian mass. If a bike can perform just as well with improved reliability and performance by downgrading their technology then who cares? And if your really bothered about non helmet T shirt clad guys, I can show you a quite a few superbikes around bangalore pulling wheelies on the busy streets with a t shirt, without a helmet and without gear. I dont think safety comes with the bike, it has to be within you.

EDIT: I'm sure there is an Fi 220 with this new engine on the anvil with improved roll on times and improved efficiency from the same mill. Why will they sell an older engine with Fi and a newer engine with carb side by side. And I'm sure there is a deliverable behind Fi, the roll on times, the efficiency will speak for itself.

My Lord---Mods please watch out for this thread- a War is about to start

Dude Everything above you have mentioned only shows your passion for P220-- I admire that brother there are few facts too.

what is the point of technology if there are no deliverables??

Bcoz if it was't for technology you would not be scraping a post, thanz to the internet. A technology is innovation a step towards future, i agree old school carb does rock i too have matured from that. but when something is developed there is reason behind it.

But technology which does not work is an issue---just compare the FI of P220 and R15 put a vote count here---soon you will know who's FI is best and top graded when it comes to reliability, performance and build quality.

I dont think safety comes with the bike, it has to be within you.

Dude you are saying this in Xbhp--hope u don't go rides with T-Shirt on even RSA members wear proper gear if you know who they are

Last but least

pulling out a extra BHP making the mill run harder and achiveing a good top speed --if you call that engineering then brother why do i feel when u drive around ghats, there is no connection of front wheel with rear on P220 -Ride a R15 you will know what is called handling

i am not creating an brand war--but bajaj needs to work on handling. Peace my only two cents

[Aryan]

@all: Please, no brand wars here. Else we are looking at infractions, not to mention the closure of this thread.

There are many out here who, without even having seen the bike first hand (forget riding) are giving their 'expert opinion' about engine, handling and what not! I would seriously suggest such people to just 'shut up' and stop posting such crap out here. Go and ride the machine, and then post your heart out.

Stop these 'fights'. Next time, ANY member who instigates such 'wars', gets an infraction/ ban from me.

[DASCO]

BANG outside target. This is exactly how a market grows, its called "competition". So what if the Unicorn had Monoshocks? I have hardly seen anybody choose a Unicorn over a CBZ xtreme just because a Unicorn has Monoshocks. American 250 Ninjas are carb powered and European ones are Fi, does that mean the American bike market is going to the dogs?

Like OldFox mentioned before, what is the point of technology if there are no deliverables?? And one of the deliverables include affordability for the indian mass. If a bike can perform just as well with improved reliability and performance by downgrading their technology then who cares? And if your really bothered about non helmet T shirt clad guys, I can show you a quite a few superbikes around bangalore pulling wheelies on the busy streets with a t shirt, without a helmet and without gear. I dont think safety comes with the bike, it has to be within you.

EDIT: I'm sure there is an Fi 220 with this new engine on the anvil with improved roll on times and improved efficiency from the same mill. Why will they sell an older engine with Fi and a newer engine with carb side by side. And I'm sure there is a deliverable behind Fi, the roll on times, the efficiency will speak for itself.

So this is how far biking in India will go..

Hell, Yes!!!

There was a time in India when Ambys and Padminis' were the ultimate cars when the rest of the world was enjoying benefits of faster, safer automobiles...
then someone came in with something that changed the whole perception of cars..first Maruti, then Standard then Daewoo, Ford..some won the battle some failed..but today we enjoy European cars at Indian prices, the Getz, Swift, Punto etc...

will it ever happen to bikes in India...

The answer is No!!!!!!!
Not in the near future anyways...

[shaggy25]

So this is how far biking in India will go..

Hell, Yes!!!

There was a time in India when Ambys and Padminis' were the ultimate cars when the rest of the world was enjoying benefits of faster, safer automobiles...
then someone came in with something that changed the whole perception of cars..first Maruti, then Standard then Daewoo, Ford..some won the battle some failed..but today we enjoy European cars at Indian prices, the Getz, Swift, Punto etc...

will it ever happen to bikes in India...

The answer is No!!!!!!!
Not in the near future anyways...

Well some people just cant stop cribbing...

any ways kudos to bajaj for really raising the bar. This launch gives an all new perspective to the competition, i wonder how yamaha, TVS,et al react to this..

[silver_falcon_46]

My Lord---Mods please watch out for this thread- a War is about to start

Dude Everything above you have mentioned only shows your passion for P220-- I admire that brother there are few facts too.




Bcoz if it was't for technology you would not be scraping a post, thanz to the internet. A technology is innovation a step towards future, i agree old school carb does rock i too have matured from that. but when something is developed there is reason behind it.

But technology which does not work is an issue---just compare the FI of P220 and R15 put a vote count here---soon you will know who's FI is best and top graded when it comes to reliability, performance and build quality.



Dude you are saying this in Xbhp--hope u don't go rides with T-Shirt on even RSA members wear proper gear if you know who they are

Last but least

pulling out a extra BHP making the mill run harder and achiveing a good top speed --if you call that engineering then brother why do i feel when u drive around ghats, there is no connection of front wheel with rear on P220 -Ride a R15 you will know what is called handling

i am not creating an brand war--but bajaj needs to work on handling and lets face the fact their FI sucks big time. Peace my only two cents

You have clearly mistaken/misunderstood/not-understood my post. I choose not to reply by comparing other bike manufacturers on this thread. I really appreciate your love for the 15.

[dcs]

Gosh....... my mates are so excited about the new P220 Carb and so am I.

well, one of my mate was saying about downgrading a P220....well, its always the way we perceive a thing.

few days back, in some Tata Nano related thread, we were discussing about Indian Motorcycles being very costly and lack of bhp and smaller capacity and what not.

P220 is a downgrade definitely if you are considering just the Fuel injection and the carb. But if you somehow compare the price+ tech specs with that of the other bikes in the Market...my applause would go to Bajaj. 20+ bhp @ 75k..well am loving it. I may or may not sell of my Zma for a P220Carb but I am loving the fact that now we cant say that performance or good tech specs come at a price, no they wont, they still can be cost effective.

Not getting into a debate of HH over BAL over SMIPL over Honda over TVS, my say is...its good that now we have perhaps entered an era where we dont need to shell out half a year's salary to buy some 20+ bhp machine that can take us from home to office and then to some lonely place sometime.

at 75k if I am getting disc in front and rear, good tyres, good bhp, good head lights...then I would say that it should be Value for Money.

lets not forget that despite being a scooter manufacturer primarily, Bajaj changed the whole biking scenario. am not condemning the efforts of other manufacturers but the credit has to go to the one who deserves it.


as for the Carb versus FI, Mates, if FI was the only and the ultimate thing, then perhaps carb would have been banned altogether. FI does give better Fuel efficiency and easier start and good performance at higher altitudes, but a good carb can also do the same things , at par...if not any better.

we still have to own one to say how good or bad the bike is, but I would still say that P220 at this price has created ripples in the biking segment and yes, we as bikers are going to be benefited with it. wait for some time and we will start getting similar spec bikes from other manufacturers and at competitive prices. The money you save out of buying those bikes can be efficiently invested in buying riding gear and a GPS, and if you are still left with any...Go up in Himalayas and Chill.

Cheers!!

[Speed$ter]

+1,

So much for lip service over the net, but lets see how many guys would really prefer the "Fi" over the carb..
Hero Honda and HMSI have their PGMFi on the 125 cc Glamour and CBF Stunner respectively.. Not to forget the RTR 160 Fi from TVS.

Why don't these 'high on tech' models sell like hot cakes..??
Any thoughts..??

Yap !! Why aint then they selling so much. You Cant
call it de grades only if the company gets the price down n FI (not in used, and d reason of price coming down)...

Bajaj gr8 work ...

[shaggy25]

Gosh....... my mates are so excited about the new P220 Carb and so am I.

well, one of my mate was saying about downgrading a P220....well, its always the way we perceive a thing.

few days back, in some Tata Nano related thread, we were discussing about Indian Motorcycles being very costly and lack of bhp and smaller capacity and what not.

P220 is a downgrade definitely if you are considering just the Fuel injection and the carb. But if you somehow compare the price+ tech specs with that of the other bikes in the Market...my applause would go to Bajaj. 20+ bhp @ 75k..well am loving it. I may or may not sell of my Zma for a P220Carb but I am loving the fact that now we cant say that performance or good tech specs come at a price, no they wont, they still can be cost effective.

Not getting into a debate of HH over BAL over SMIPL over Honda over TVS, my say is...its good that now we have perhaps entered an era where we dont need to shell out half a year's salary to buy some 20+ bhp machine that can take us from home to office and then to some lonely place sometime.

at 75k if I am getting disc in front and rear, good tyres, good bhp, good head lights...then I would say that it should be Value for Money.

lets not forget that despite being a scooter manufacturer primarily, Bajaj changed the whole biking scenario. am not condemning the efforts of other manufacturers but the credit has to go to the one who deserves it.


as for the Carb versus FI, Mates, if FI was the only and the ultimate thing, then perhaps carb would have been banned altogether. FI does give better Fuel efficiency and easier start and good performance at higher altitudes, but a good carb can also do the same things , at par...if not any better.

we still have to own one to say how good or bad the bike is, but I would still say that P220 at this price has created ripples in the biking segment and yes, we as bikers are going to be benefited with it. wait for some time and we will start getting similar spec bikes from other manufacturers and at competitive prices. The money you save out of buying those bikes can be efficiently invested in buying riding gear and a GPS, and if you are still left with any...Go up in Himalayas and Chill.

Cheers!!

Couldnt have agreed more

[pavanchirmade]

So this is how far biking in India will go..

Hell, Yes!!!

There was a time in India when Ambys and Padminis' were the ultimate cars when the rest of the world was enjoying benefits of faster, safer automobiles...
then someone came in with something that changed the whole perception of cars..first Maruti, then Standard then Daewoo, Ford..some won the battle some failed..but today we enjoy European cars at Indian prices, the Getz, Swift, Punto etc...

will it ever happen to bikes in India...

The answer is No!!!!!!!
Not in the near future anyways...

The thing that makes p220 win it for many here is that they improved the performance as well as BROUGHT THE PRICE DOWN!. If you want advanced technology like mono suspension, race class frames, FI, liquid cooling,etc., it will by no means come at that price.!

80k for such a high performer is simply AWESOME.

[Shadowboy]

You have clearly mistaken/misunderstood/not-understood my post. I choose not to reply by comparing other bike manufacturers on this thread. I really appreciate your love for the 15.

It's ok Silver, you did't get my point either peace

[chauhan_saurabh]

So this is how far biking in India will go..

Hell, Yes!!!

There was a time in India when Ambys and Padminis' were the ultimate cars when the rest of the world was enjoying benefits of faster, safer automobiles...
then someone came in with something that changed the whole perception of cars..first Maruti, then Standard then Daewoo, Ford..some won the battle some failed..but today we enjoy European cars at Indian prices, the Getz, Swift, Punto etc...

will it ever happen to bikes in India...

The answer is No!!!!!!!
Not in the near future anyways...

I would say it's not a perfect analogy.
In the car market too, mass sellers are Alto and other 1000CC bare minimum cars with sub 4lacs price. So in India, if we have Audi, or other crore+ cars available does not mean that all people like them or even if like them, can buy them.
All have different pockets and different priorities.

All these new teach came to India as companies see market here .. even though 1 percent of whole population may be able to afford it(and interested in tech) but this 1% is more than 1crore people. So companies did not come to provide technology to Indians, they are here to make profits and good tech cars are not being sold cheap here. FYI, compare any car price in US and India with direct conversion, in India cars are about 2-4times costlier.

For all bike makers too, they did launch their premium 10+lacs bike in India, so who says Indian bikes are evolving, go and buy those if you want latest techs.

But in India, if you want to sell your product you will need provide good products at reasonable prices. Even it's not true that India mass overlook quality o.w. Hero Honda won't be selling that much. So all in all, better products at competitive price will always have an edge over super products but high priced, as far as sales or mass attraction or mass appeal are concerned.

So I guess, everyone should understand that a VFM product will always sale more than a super cool tech speced over priced product. And as per reviews and reports so far, this bike far much VFM than any other bike around.

[rx100.7050]

Dasco & Vipin & other HH fans:
Try staying out of this thread if you are NOT enjoying the new 220 thread. Every single person who has owned / owns a bajaj vehicle knows what Bajaj is. It was BAJAJ only which changed the 150 cc segment with the lauch of Pulsar. And then they didn't styop there. Initial 220s had many glitches but they again took feedback from customers & came up with improved 220s.
Now as far as upgrades wrt to 220 is concerned, HELL YES its an UPGRADE!! not a "Berger Rangoli" paintjob which a BOLLYWOOD hero trying to sell with stupid ad saying it as upgrade.
Sorry for being rude but could not help it
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