am not sur eif it will lose any top end because it is heavy or anything.. the naked being heavy itself can do a 140+ with a pillion.. tested this myself.. heating and vibes are part of the package and as Santa mentioned, the bike is huge to do a proper turning.. that being said.. even in the city the shocks and stability of the bike is awesome... the balance of the bike being a naked was great with the pillion and that it when i realized it is underestimated by many....

The one thing if you wan to enjoy this bike is the freeway.. city you cant enjoy it as you cant open the throttle to feel the twins...

Nagoo.. not sure if you planning to buy or not.. i can give you a test ride on my bike some day if you need ot feel it....

I already had a test ride on ur bike .. but before it reached you or restored completely courtesy... Mr. Santa

and BTW .. first i will take a look when it arrives in showrooms .. although i expected the price around 2.5L since from beginning [2 years back] ...as the price of Ninja and GTR almost equal or slightly less all over world. i will be buying it only if its EFI

LOL.. thats good... man the bike has been tested by many as far as i knwo :P

well its true gt gives superbike dimensions and riding style but talking for automobile engineering perspective as well as product design its a bad design why?


everyone here must have seen the modified bikes in 90's era, any genuine biker will detest them.

a splendour, cbz modified to look like busa, or cbr etc. the moment you turn the egnition is like a mockery or here the moment you wring the throttle

its like buy a ferrari and putting a honda city engine in it- will it perform hell NO! is it a waste of engineering, mismatch of component Oh YES

the engine simply is not enough for the chassis i.e if you have size weight of 1000cc supersports bike you have to have engine powerful enough to make it dance not to gasp for breath


If only the bike had same looks albeit shrinken it would have benifited from atleast 20 kg or so weight loss, vastly improved handling, better ergonomics i.e less distance between rider and handle try turning handle of gt 650r lock to lock if you are blessed with average indian height and you will know what iam talking about.

also I am stressing it again cause its basic princimple of engine design and its longivity- the cooling is simply not there- even dukes engine heats due t o revv while it is watercooled, naked engine and its not that good while Gt is suicidal in comparision to it.

We can not overlook it as overheated engine in 40 + degrees of India plus slow traffic is recipe for toasted legs.

i beleive having a superbike look style but no go with it is frustating like how it would have felt if ninja had a 100cc engine in it, will you love it or find it frustating for its size or chassis

No offense, but what exactly is the point being made here? Is it regarding bad p/w ratio? Unjustified price tag? Bad design? Bad quality?

Whatever it is, I am quite sure the aspiring buyer is well aware of what are the facts and what he is getting for his money - having discussed these in this very thread quite exhaustively.

Having turned the GT650R from lock to lock on several occasions, just trying to fully understand what is the point being made here.

As for the engine heat, try Engine Ice. It is what runs on my GT and i have little or no problems with my daily city commute in peak traffic.

i am not sure what exactly troubling you here .. but let me give you some information

first of all Duke is not water cooled its Liquid cooled

the size is big true but its not too heavy as far as you think, its 171kg [2012] dry.. while our own pulsar [220] is around 145kg and ninja should be lil more .. and here around 28kg more to pulsar with more power and moreover while designing a bike there are lot of inputs will go in .. its not like just commenting here like us .. they test it and they will arrive at reasonable numbers based on the requirements, when the bike can do 150kmph++ speed i don;t see any major prob here.

about cooling the bike has been running for years in all over the world with oil/air cooled engine and surely they felt it adequate [India is not the only country with high temp in summer]. and moreover try riding a SBK you will know what exactly the heat is

how much speed you need ?? is constant 120-140kmph is not enough ? this bike can do that without any problem.. so why to worry about chasis .. infact in MCN review they said GTR is better handler than Green due to its chasis.

if GTR has all qualities of Ninja .. then why there is any need for GTR...it reminds me a joke which happened sometime back:- One of my frnd brought fiet Linea and during discussion the other one said ..u just modify this with new alloy wheels and exhaust and it will become like Hyundai verna ...and suddenly that person replied .. if i wanted verna then i would have gone for that only than modifying it

I think for your requirements Ninja suits best.. just go and buy it eye';s closed ... in case its Price the issue then i suggest you to buy CBR .. and if u want both of performance and price .. then don;t buy GTR .. just buy CBR and just modd it with Ninja body for look and if not .. try with some free flow exhaust and power commander

@ Mav,

The people who have quoted here owns a Hyosung.. they have literally explained what the bike is... Price wise yes, its high but.. its not just LOOKS.. the bike is powerful and i can bet on that cos i own a GT250.. be it naked or faired, the bike will take you off your mind when you ride it..

And FYI i dont think you will feel it as a 100cc engine in a Ninja outfit.. come on.. thats a bit too much

You told you don own a bike so dont you think you are being too negative by reading a few reviews and sticking to some points.. every bike has its pain points.. we cant help it..

All i can say is wait till teh bike comes out.. ride it.. test it.. then give your review... we will appreciate that more...

I agree with your point of view to a certain extent.But, wouldn't Hyosung,who were already not successful earlier consider the factors such as Indian temperature etc before releasing the bike.
And I have read opinions and reviews about the bike in various forums and websites but all them only comment about the poor build quality,but they say the bike performs on par with the Ninja and CBR .And the superbike like dimensions might be a plus point when it comes to straight line stability.

I am a person who is looking for a upgrade from my FZ-16(displacement wise).And I want my next bike to be a proper fared sports bike.

I have already test driven the CBR and felt this-Its the most VFM package available out there.The build quality I felt was up the mark.In someways it meets my criteria perfectly and in others it doesn't.Where I felt it was lacking was the big bike kind of feel.It felt like a more powerful version of the Pulsar 220,I know that's one absurd statement but what I mean is that its a single cylinder bike and it does everything it was designed to do perfectly but It doesn't give that 'distinguished' ride I was looking for.The exhaust note is pretty much like any other indian bike out there.Having said all that ,Its a perfect bike for Indian conditions and sensible on the pocket too.

Considering the Ninja,I haven't test driven the bike but from the various ownership forums and experiences I can safely say that it will give the 'distinguished' ride I was looking for,courtesy its parallel twin high revving engine.And the exhaust note which I consider as a prime factor,is very much to my liking.
But the things which I do not like about the bike is the lack of a digital speedo,The relatively small (130 section)rear tyres,the huge cost of spare parts,the fuel efficiency.Overall I feel that the Ninja lacks that futuristic kind of styling that the CBR has.And I feel that if I am paying 3.3 lakhs ,I should get the latest technology and styling (This is a very relative point)

So having said this,I feel that the Hyosung GT 250r slots in between these two perfectly.
It has the the wide section(150 section) tyres,It has the digi speedo console.It looks very modern and appealing to me.I feel it will have greater road presence than the Ninja.It give the 'Bike bike feel'.It has the very lovable V twin exhaust note.An appealing projector headlamps.
And most importantly it gives the 'Big bike feel'.The 'electronic fuel injection will round off the package.
The scenario for the quarter litre bikes in India,one has to trade one thing if he wants the other.I feel that the GT250r strikes the balance here.
^I have just written my views as a prospective buyer but,it may not make sense to everyone

You have put exactly the same ..that what i had in my mind ...
Here money is not the roadblock but the meeting the requirements as we desired [at same time..it should not be over..over expensive].

Biking is not all about power .. it should have lil power..poser value...enjoyment and most importantly ever lasting excitement it should provide ..to keep it riding.

Honestly eventhough i can afford a superBike now ..but i won;t like to buy it just coz.. it doesn't match my requirements, all i wanted a superbike like bike for daily commuting which should not burn my pocket and should be ridable in all roads as i feel too much power is not good. now this bike satisfies every requirements of mine..then why should i bother about comparisons... only thing i wanted to know is bike should be reliable and solid to own for longer time ..rough and tough to withstand long times.. and having seen the old comets with virtually no support interms of spares or service ...still running like young horses .. im assured that the new bikes with lot of improvements will withstand the test of time better than old one.

there seems to be some confusion regardign what i wrote- lock to lock was mentioned to stress that average indian height being still 5 feet 6 inches the bike handle reach does not allow comfortable lock to lock turning surely taller people will have not much problem

everything else was regarding gt 250r not 650r as you know unlike 650r which is proper water cooled 250r is oilcooled hence the heat issue.

GT 650r is has engine to manage its chassis gt 250r not as they as you know have same size chassis and weight of chassis is almost same as well

@maverick1,

First thing, have you ever ridden the GT650R/250R..??

The GT650R has a surprising low seat. I with 5ft 4-5 inches height was more comfotable putting both my feet on the ground on the GT650R than on my P220. While taking turns I did have to be careful.. but that was more becuase of its 180 plus Kgs weight.

For your info, the GT650R despite its Liquid cooled engine, heats up very quickly in traffic. Making a conclusion about the 250R without taking a ride would be unfair.

The Chassis of the GT650R and the GT250R is totally different.


Making conclusions about a vehicle without riding is like counting chicken's before they are born.

i dont own a bike currently but had a pulsar 180 in 2006 -2007 have ridden some bikes in UK,gixxer ,ninja 1000 but for short while as they were owned by couple of friends, yes sat on many more.

i did not mean to hurt anyone really, nor i am saying its bad bike. i am a mechanical engineer and a product designer, worked in ARAI, project with Toyota etc. I am talking from design/ engg perspective that to save msot probably cost etc they went for a chassis in 250r which is almost as big as a 1000cc chassis, now anyone who has rode 1000cc knows how bad they are to ride in indian rodes not in small margin due to their bad turn ins which is due to their large size . my point of analogy of ninja i.e. a proper 250cc size chassis cradling a 100cc engine was to compare size of 250cc engine in 1000cc chassis.

i will surely test ride one and then decide but my whole point was not to destroy its repute but to prove a point that people should compare ninja, cbr and gt 250r with each other not just ninja or cbr as they all three were designed as beginner bikes albeit each with different purpose

here people are comapring just ninja with gt 250r cause ninja is costlier while completely ignoring the fact that cbr and ninja are at same price in usa, europe and gt 250r is bit cheaper still it does not sell well so it deservedly should be priced at the price of cbr cause all the facts on paper ie, double disc, twin cylinder still does not command a premium as proven in many markets reviews due them being mostly show etc etc as in my previous posts
when comet was launched it was in different times there was no cbr no ninja now there is and soon duke 300 will join the party as well

[QUOTE=payeng;805659]@maverick1,

First thing, have you ever ridden the GT650R/250R..??



The GT650R has a surprising low seat. I with 5ft 4-5 inches height was more comfotable putting both my feet on the ground on the GT650R than on my P220. While taking turns I did have to be careful.. but that was more becuase of its 180 plus Kgs weight.



For your info, the GT650R despite its Liquid cooled engine, heats up very quickly in traffic. Making a conclusion about the 250R without taking a ride would be unfair.



The Chassis of the GT650R and the GT250R is totally different.


Making conclusions about a vehicle without riding is like counting chicken's before they are born.





First thing, have you ever ridden the GT650R/250R..??

no jsut sat on one felt its controls, i at 5,5 and found handle bit fat away to be turned comfortably



The GT650R has a surprising low seat. I with 5ft 4-5 inches height was more comfotable putting both my feet on the ground on the GT650R than on my P220. While taking turns I did have to be careful.. but that was more becuase of its 180 plus Kgs weight.

true seat is low but it is wide as well at tank cross section thus making legs spread bit wider then my linking but its my perspective many other will not have this problem

For your info, the GT650R despite its Liquid cooled engine, heats up very quickly in traffic. Making a conclusion about the 250R without taking a ride would be unfair.
iwas not aware of it thanks for the info- but i still maintain that being oil cooled in full faired chassis its surely will heat a lot more then cbr ninja and will be uncomfortable, i dont need to ride it to confirm it as its easy to draw this conclusion based on kind of engine, max rpm, power and torque curve, state of tune, design of air flow around engine etc.


The Chassis of the GT650R and the GT250R is totally different.

i am aware of it but they are roughly same size and roughly same weight


Making conclusions about a vehicle without riding is like counting chicken's before they are born.

true in certain cases like feel, excitement etc but not in terms of technology and design.

Mav.. i am a mechanical engineer too.. when we talk abt dynamic ans design, every company be it Honda, Ninja or Hyosung would have done their bit of research before they can come with any product. I agree that the Hyosugs are heavier but that again repeat doe
snt make the bike incompetent...

inspite being heavy the bike is a damn thrill to ride.. and as i told the people who are commenting have explained this as well... who else better to explain than the owners of these machines...

no offense taken for what you told.. but please do understand.. we are all just commenting a bit too soon may be...

Good News Guys .. there is fresh news from Garware

highlights of this news are :

1. Launch of GT250R is in May 2012 and GV250 in October
2. Target to sell 3500-5000 bikes [all category] in 2012-13
3. Price Range is b/w 2.35L - 2.65L
4. Last year total of 2500-3000 superbikes[600cc and above] sold, with 611 bikes from garware [20% market share]
5. GV650 by next year

Hyosung 250cc ready for road

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