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**rachitkdogra** · 02-09-2017, 09:49 PM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

I've seen quite a lot of reviews of the 650 ceeber and most of them say its a bit "buzzy", as in noisier than the other counterparts like FZ6 etc. As users, what do you guys have to say about that. I've not listened to a 650f upfront. This is hard to believe though...

Hi,

By buzzier, they mean it has a some fine vibrations at certain RPMs and it is true.
Of all the reading I have done, generally most Inline 4 600s do have some vibrations.
I do agree that Z800 is smoother all throughout the rev range than the CBR.
These vibrations do reduce a lot as the engine gets run in, but they never go completely and you tend to notice them a lot less as you get used to them.

Rachit

**pixantz** · 02-09-2017, 10:28 PM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by rachitkdogra View Post

Hi,

By buzzier, they mean it has a some fine vibrations at certain RPMs and it is true.
Of all the reading I have done, generally most Inline 4 600s do have some vibrations.
I do agree that Z800 is smoother all throughout the rev range than the CBR.
These vibrations do reduce a lot as the engine gets run in, but they never go completely and you tend to notice them a lot less as you get used to them.

Rachit

That sounds all good. And kind of characteristic to Honda's too. Why, even the Zma had a kind of buzz which you get used too. Its a kind of rasp. Something in the way Honda builds engines maybe. Im a total Honda fan, anyway. Thats exactly why, hearing that a same speced engine being smoother than a Honda is kind of rough on the ears in itself[emoji32] . Keeping in mind that the FZ6R is a similar spec engine(its 600cc though, but still).... Wonder what is stopping Yamaha from getting it here. Just to heat up things...

**rachitkdogra** · 02-10-2017, 01:03 AM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

That sounds all good. And kind of characteristic to Honda's too. Why, even the Zma had a kind of buzz which you get used too. Its a kind of rasp. Something in the way Honda builds engines maybe. Im a total Honda fan, anyway. Thats exactly why, hearing that a same speced engine being smoother than a Honda is kind of rough on the ears in itself[emoji32] . Keeping in mind that the FZ6R is a similar spec engine(its 600cc though, but still).... Wonder what is stopping Yamaha from getting it here. Just to heat up things...

That is what Honda guys told me as well, that it is to add character to the engine. But I guess it is a personal preference to believe it or not.
As of now, I don't find it that bothersome.

FZ6R, is a very old motorcycle, although this should mean Yamaha should be able to price it competitively in India. I agree, if launched at a good price, it can enjoy a decent success maybe, as Yamaha does have its share of loyal fans in India.

Rachit

**Deathwing** · 02-10-2017, 09:05 AM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

That sounds all good. And kind of characteristic to Honda's too. Why, even the Zma had a kind of buzz which you get used too. Its a kind of rasp. Something in the way Honda builds engines maybe. Im a total Honda fan, anyway. Thats exactly why, hearing that a same speced engine being smoother than a Honda is kind of rough on the ears in itself[emoji32] . Keeping in mind that the FZ6R is a similar spec engine(its 600cc though, but still).... Wonder what is stopping Yamaha from getting it here. Just to heat up things...

Yamaha look uninterested in this segment, honestly they would be better off launching their best selling mid segment motorcycle the fz07 or the faired touring version the tracer 700. Fz6r as mentioned is a bit dated and I hardly see any reviews or news on the bike around the world itself! Its similar how Honda have left the 300-500 cc market in India without a development similarly Yamaha don't have a mid range motorcycle but only the triple cylinder 900cc fz09 which is 10-12 lakhs, but the CBR if priced a lakh lesser would have been apt, but there's no price on reliability and if maintained right, Honda engines feel like they can be run for lakhs of kms

**kailashnj** · 02-10-2017, 01:19 PM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by rachitkdogra View Post

From what I know, they had only 1 piece left of 2015.

Rachit

I asked the showroom in Mumbai about the discounts and they gave me pathetic quotes.

For 2016 they said 30k only and for 2015 model he said 50k. I was really surprised. I am okay to pick the bike from somewhere else if I can get good discounts.

**rachitkdogra** · 02-14-2017, 12:35 AM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by Deathwing View Post

Yamaha look uninterested in this segment, honestly they would be better off launching their best selling mid segment motorcycle the fz07 or the faired touring version the tracer 700. Fz6r as mentioned is a bit dated and I hardly see any reviews or news on the bike around the world itself! Its similar how Honda have left the 300-500 cc market in India without a development similarly Yamaha don't have a mid range motorcycle but only the triple cylinder 900cc fz09 which is 10-12 lakhs, but the CBR if priced a lakh lesser would have been apt, but there's no price on reliability and if maintained right, Honda engines feel like they can be run for lakhs of kms

I completely agree. Instead of the FZ09, FZ07 or the FZ07 tracer would have been much more apt for India. Trust me, if FZ07 tracer would have been available the time I was buying my bike, I would have paid even a lakh more than for it than what I paid for the Honda.

Most of the parts in the bike like chain, levers, switches, panels do feel well built and might age well.

CHEERS!!

Originally posted by kailashnj View Post

I asked the showroom in Mumbai about the discounts and they gave me pathetic quotes.

For 2016 they said 30k only and for 2015 model he said 50k. I was really surprised. I am okay to pick the bike from somewhere else if I can get good discounts.

That is quite contrary to my impression of Honda. In my opinion, atleast in Delhi, they are very consistent in what they say.
The discounts that they offer, has a calculation of depreciation that Honda uses and it remains the same for everybody. Its not that they give my friend a better discount than a stranger because I know them. So this way, I found them pretty consistent.

Rachit

**discover** · 02-21-2017, 05:53 PM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

I have been actively reading this thread for 2 weeks now, nicely written all of you, helps a lot in making decisions.
I am planning to book a CBR 650f, last week had been to the showroom here in Bangalore to have a look at the Bike and also met one of the existing owner who was very hepful and nerrated his ownership experience, that has kind of convinced me to go ahead and Buy this one. The only concern is the exahust scraping issue, as i am planning to use this strictly for touring wanted to undestand how serious is this problem ?

**rachitkdogra** · 02-21-2017, 08:17 PM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by discover View Post

I have been actively reading this thread for 2 weeks now, nicely written all of you, helps a lot in making decisions.
I am planning to book a CBR 650f, last week had been to the showroom here in Bangalore to have a look at the Bike and also met one of the existing owner who was very hepful and nerrated his ownership experience, that has kind of convinced me to go ahead and Buy this one. The only concern is the exahust scraping issue, as i am planning to use this strictly for touring wanted to undestand how serious is this problem ?

Thank you for your kind words brother.
When you are riding single, You can easily go over the biggest of the speed bumps without scraping.
With a pillion, the bigger one's can be an issue unless you jack up the pre-load at the rear suspension.

See, the art of taking speed breakers is either fast, where the bike sort of jumps or extremely slow. In both these cases, the CBR does not scrape.
There is an awkward speed in between where when the front suspension goes up on the bump and the rebound of the front suspension pushes the bike down a bit, that is when the bike can scrape. But it is easily avoidable by either being faster or slower. I prefer the slower way.

Best of luck for your purchase. Keep us posted!!

CHEERS!!

Rachit

**discover** · 02-22-2017, 02:02 AM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by rachitkdogra View Post

Thank you for your kind words brother.
When you are riding single, You can easily go over the biggest of the speed bumps without scraping.
With a pillion, the bigger one's can be an issue unless you jack up the pre-load at the rear suspension.

See, the art of taking speed breakers is either fast, where the bike sort of jumps or extremely slow. In both these cases, the CBR does not scrape.
There is an awkward speed in between where when the front suspension goes up on the bump and the rebound of the front suspension pushes the bike down a bit, that is when the bike can scrape. But it is easily avoidable by either being faster or slower. I prefer the slower way.

Best of luck for your purchase. Keep us posted!!

CHEERS!!

Rachit

Thanks a ton bro 😊 Sure, will update once I take the delivery

**rachitkdogra** · 02-22-2017, 02:20 AM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

@Mods, Kindly change the title of the thread to:
A dream come true - My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: 4th Service update on page 36

So 4th service here may sound confusing as the bike is around 1.5 years old only, but here is why the 4th service. So I actually had to skip the 2nd service for my bike, because I had not covered enough KMs but according to the Time Interval, 3rd service was only a month in future so Honda did 3rd service on my bike and skipped the 2nd. Even this time, I actually had not gone for a service. My bike had just done 10K KMs and the service was due at 12K.

During one of the rides, for some reason one of the bar ends came of the bike while riding. I went to Honda to get a bar end weight. During the discussion we figured that the 4th service is supposed to be done either at 12K KMs or 1.5 years whichever is sooner. They asked me if I wanted to get the service done, and I had no reason to say No. So I agreed.

This was going to be the first Fully Paid service. Honda says Air Filter cleaning at 12K and replacement at 15K KMs. I asked them to straightaway replace the Air Filter. The only other thing that I asked was the Bar End weight which was in stock and costed only 280 Rs. Plus I could only get the one required, no need for a pair, which was even nicer.

The bike needed some basic Clutch, Chain adjustments and that is about it. This time again, Mr. Dilip the technician at Honda just was superb with the way he carried out his business. The whole process took around 4-5 hours. One might ask why, because their attention to detail is so exemplary that he takes an hour just to clean the chain. He would go to a polythene, take out a new rug, spread the newspaper below the chain, and then spray the cleaner and then wipe the chain each link by each link. Such meticulous is the way they do these things that it feels extra ordinary.

The Air filter comes sealed and pre lubricated which is nice as I am not very fond of lubricating Air Filters. I have had K&N in my Karizma and it would splutter for a full day once we refueled the air filter.

Overall damages was around 6K, which is within the expected range. I am attaching the copy of the bill.

As you guys know that I had done that quick throttle DIY on my bike. What it has resulted in is no throttle play. There is absolutely 0 throttle play in my bike. So what I wanted was that if some play can be added from the throttle body. But Mr. Dilip said that the throttle body is much further in and would require more dismantling to which I said, leave it. We will take care of it when throttle body syncing would be required.

Overall, Honda's after sales continuous to be delightful and extra ordinary. For the bike, it feels smoother and rock solid.

Some Pics:
At our Regular Sunday Morning Dhaba

During one of the early morning foggy rides..

After a short cleaning session

Completed 10K KMs

During our ride to the KMP expressway. What a piece of tarmac it is..

My Trio ready for a wash session..

The Service Bill

CHEERS!!

Rachit

**Deathwing** · 02-22-2017, 10:24 AM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

That's really good to know rachit, 6000 for a full service is quite good! How much longer do you think before you change your chain sprocket set and tyres? These will set you back 20-30k each easily right?

**rachitkdogra** · 02-22-2017, 09:48 PM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by Deathwing View Post

That's really good to know rachit, 6000 for a full service is quite good! How much longer do you think before you change your chain sprocket set and tyres? These will set you back 20-30k each easily right?

Thank you brother!!
Well, I did check with the service center about the front break pads and the Chain set, they said both has sufficient life left still. I think the front brake pads is around 6500 Rs for the set. I am not sure about the price of the chain set.

For the tyres, my rear tyre has started showing signs of wear and tyre. From the looks, it does seem that there is about another 2K life left in them, but they have started giving up grip and confidence while cornering. I might end up getting them changed in a couple of months. I have 2-3 options in my mind for the replacement. Lets see what I get finally. But the price for the set should be in the 20-25K ballpark.

Rachit

**pixantz** · 02-22-2017, 10:11 PM

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I've never read such a positive report about any Honda ASS anywhere in India. Ever. Seems too good to be true. Is it the 'Wings' people? Maybe it's a one-off....

**rachitkdogra** · 02-22-2017, 11:21 PM

re: My Honda CBR650F. EDIT: Track Day at BIC on PG-53

Originally posted by pixantz View Post

I've never read such a positive report about any Honda ASS anywhere in India. Ever. Seems too good to be true. Is it the 'Wings' people? Maybe it's a one-off....

Yes, this is Wings World. Since this Wings World is closest to Honda HQ, it might be one of the reasons for its very professional operation as well.

Rachit

**leech** · 02-23-2017, 01:46 AM

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I think the bad name about Honda SVC is a result of huge amount of vehicles these guys have to service every single day, leading to time constraints and shoddy/hasty work.

In a town called Malapuram in Kerala, the Honda SVC has a minimum of 100 vehicles to service every single day.

The Wing world guys have only big bikes to service, so they got plenty of time to attend to each one.

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