Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[rharish90]

@princesirohi

it is common for the reflector to get heated up, upon usage of the headlight
and in case of hid it gets quickly heated up
so no issues with that
and about the melting inside the reflector might be due to some mis-alignment of the bulb, or the bulb too close to the glass (MAYBE)
.
and dont drill any holes
cuz the relector might be expensive to replace
if once screwed up

@prince

This answers your query I think

[abhijitkn]

also if i drill two holes- one in front on the clear lens glass at the bottom and another one in the rubber housing at the back that hold HID bulb...kind of cross ventilation.

Do not drill holes, you will end up damaging the the entire headliaght assembly & also it will result in water/ Dirt / excessive moisture getting in the electricals considering it is just the start of monsoons. Can you post some pics of the damage to underatsnd the issue better? And also confirm the bulb specifications.

[Aneesh@4GHz]

Nightbreaker 55/60 turns out to be an H4 bulb.
Cannot use H4 bulbs on p220...

Guess Osram Night Breaker Plus is available in H4/H7/H11 sockets

OSRAM NIGHT BREAKER PLUS

[navnish]

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My projector+HID mod


Bike: P180UG3
Projectors used: P220
HIDs used: 2x35W H7 4300k [Navnish]
Low beam: Ellipsoidal Projector
High beam: Parabolic Reflector

Switching: 1. Independent low beam
2. Dual beam when switched to high beam

Note: To make both beams glow together when on High beam, modded the existing H4 Bi-Xenon wiring to run this.

Nice The headlight looks neat in the pic

guys i need help, recently i noticed that my reflector has started melting from top in a straight line just above the HID, starting from near HID and extending right upto top of reflector. what do you think is the reason my HID is a cheap chinese one (although not cheap-i got it for around 3000). it is 8000K. my reflector is original one and not duplicate. mine is 35 watt HID.

Prince sent you a mail.

Hi all, here is ma new light upgrade, 2x 55w hid with regular ballast on high beam and 0ne 40w single hid with slim ballast on low beam. a Big thanks to navnish for supplying the bulbs and ballast in time. Also i would like to thank Dr. Vivek for his help and guidance in fixing them.

here am attaching a small video of the setup. again sorry for the poor quality video. misplaced the cam so will post a better video later.

YouTube - ‪mask1.mpg‬‏

You guys are nuts man. I use a 40w x 2 hid on my r15 that itself is bright . You guys on 55w am jealous . I want a bigger battery on my R15

[sajjt]

initially, when i had installed the HID, i used to observe that glass in front of headlight used to become a bit hot after a 1 hour ride actually it used to heat up a it even after a short ride and then on a long ride the temperature stays that much.

plz help to identify the problem? and has it ever happened with anyone else?

Can u specify its warm or hot? Normal cases it should be warm not hot, even with a projector its just warm. If its hot, close ur eyes and replace the capsule like I said earlier, it wont cost u a bomb. I guess u might've got a quote from Navnish by now

also if i drill two holes- one in front on the clear lens glass at the bottom and another one in the rubber housing at the back that hold HID bulb...kind of cross ventilation.

Big No, no. Abhijit'd given the reason.

I exactly meant what Abhi has written below. I don't have any source of info for that but its my first hand experience.

I had kept the light on when the bike was not moving for 15mins + and got a bubble on my reflector (in unicorn). Next I made sure not to use headlight when bike is stand still and I didn't come across any bubble on reflector.

I am still wondering what were u doing for the 15mins of idle with the lights on

Higher watts halogens causes clouded glass when its used when the vehicle is stand still or while slow moving traffic for a long time. I guess some of our fellow members with polycarbonate (FF) HLs with 100/130W on cars may already know this fact in a harder way Unless the capsule have some problem, it should not heat up after initialization.

Another way of getting faded HL glasses is oxidation of the polycarbonate headlight causes it to become cloudy or take on a yellowish tinge. Ultraviolet (UV) rays from the sun cause the lens to develop micro-cracks, hastening the color change.

Hi all, here is ma new light upgrade, 2x 55w hid with regular ballast on high beam and 0ne 40w single hid with slim ballast on low beam. a Big thanks to navnish for supplying the bulbs and ballast in time. Also i would like to thank Dr. Vivek for his help and guidance in fixing them.

here am attaching a small video of the setup. again sorry for the poor quality video. misplaced the cam so will post a better video later.

YouTube - ‪mask1.mpg‬‏

Vineet, Man, you too Brutus

So much of light maniacs here.

Its too cruel man, 35W HID on a P220 high beam is too much to handle for naked eyes, now u are screwing with a killer 2X55W=100W HID on high beam You didn't got 2X100W HID like Nano using?

Pls use it very very judiciously as its very dangerous to others and thereby to you as well.

I would say those who are running with HIDs should be more responsible than a 100W halogen user as the FF glass + MFR will scatter the glares like hell in case of a HID.

[anupam_busaboy]

Nightbreaker 55/60 turns out to be an H4 bulb.
Cannot use H4 bulbs on p220...

It needs H7.

Isnt H7 more powerful? will P220 handle it?

[Only Amit...]

Hi all, here is ma new light upgrade, 2x 55w hid with regular ballast on high beam and 0ne 40w single hid with slim ballast on low beam. a Big thanks to navnish for supplying the bulbs and ballast in time. Also i would like to thank Dr. Vivek for his help and guidance in fixing them.

here am attaching a small video of the setup. again sorry for the poor quality video. misplaced the cam so will post a better video later.

Whoa!!!
You are insane man...are you running on stock battery by any chance

Isnt H7 more powerful? will P220 handle it?

H7 is the kind of socket P220 uses.

[Shreeni0403]

I am still wondering what were u doing for the 15mins of idle with the lights on

I was testing the reflector

Saw Vineeth's setup in real last week, the setup is neatly done. And insane too

[pankajshirke]

Phew........... What a lo......ng write up I got a feeling of being overtaken

Nice work mate and true to any TVS steeds as they were always been strong in electricals since of TVS Suzuki. I used to add a 55W aux lamp on the handle bar when we go for touring and it never affects the headlamp performance in higher rpms.

Omni/Gysy or Amby domes are the favorite assys for the HL mods as this with a good 55W halo will be a perfect combo which can even compete with a modern MFR FF HLs.

One moment, you can even go for a 55W without any modifications as the stator coils are stronger to support it. And there's nothing to do with a regulator as the regulator just shunts by shorting when the voltage rises above 14V across the coils. Current limiting is for the battery's health and there's nothing to do with the lighting current. AFIAK. So I dont think that there's a need of RR swap. I never used any for the extra 55W Aux lamp for my old Samurai and it was glowing like a plasma tube higher rpms along with the head lamp. I've even upgraded my battery from 2.5AH to 5AH when I've upgraded my horns to Stebel Air horns and it was charging like charm with the stock condition.



Its not the problem with glares from water droplets, blame it on the CT, ONB has got a white tinge approx 6K which is not ideal for bad weather like fogs and rains. Always choose CTs between 4-4.4 ( near to daylight and this is why the standard headlamps are coming in this CT)and max 5K is the max useable range in all weathers but not adequate for fogs and rains where an aux lamp is highly recommended.

Yellow bulbs are typically used as an "all weather" bulb. The yellow/amber color makes it significantly easier for on-coming traffic to see you in bad weather. The color is toward the warmer end of the visible light spectrum and has a longer wavelength which does not diffract as much as cooler colors therefore causing less eye strain. I used to swap my headlamp bulbs with an "all weather bulb" which has got a yellow tinge during rainy seasons before I switched to HID.

White light is good for normal weather where you will get more visibility, can see the sign boards and other boards very much clearly on this CT.



Nice thought but I would say the light sources have to be in identical wattage else the comparo will not give a balanced result. Luminance of a night lamp and LED are not comparable, so consider with the same lum light source to do this.

Well, using HID with the right kind of CT is a pleasure to ride with but most of the cases many are not even heard of the CT factor and will eventually falling into the sugar coated words of the accessory shop owner and go for the 6K CT just for the bling factor by compromising the vital role of the head lamp ie; visibility= safety.

Its a fact that there no head lamp bulb which will offer an all weather effect as of today. Each head lamp is designed to perform a specific time of usage, so it will be either for normal weather or for exteme weather conditions or even just for bling factors like the CTs from 7-12K. And thats why the manufacturers have classifieds bulbs into head lamps and auxiliary lamps.



Dude, P220 is also using the same rated bulb which is also 55W and its got better optics, and there by giving more visibility than the conventional head lamp assys. Projectors will offer better beam spread in a very controlled manner through the projector lens whereas on your bike its scattering all over and hence the feeling of outrun. I guess this is the reason you have exaggerated a bit on the output of your ride as its a fact that it cant be over performed by a puny 60W alternator against a meaty 200W power house. Else, how about the high beam comparison of these two?

Sajit

I checked Pulsar 220 beam and my setup of Tata Ace with Philips extreme power 60/55
Pulsar 220 beam had good spread in upper beam but still it was not able to match the brightness of Philips Xtreme power
And my alternator is of 100 watts with support of 50 watts for headlight plus I have added a dedicated scooter regulator of 80 watts only for headlight along with my stock RR
Hence my bike has 2 RR unit
One for electricals and other scooter regulator of 80 watts only for headlight
I can also go for 100/90 watts bulb if I get a 96 watts regulator of LML scooter but it is not available in market anymore.

BTW I again checked this sunday the comparison between Osram night breaker and an Ordinary Bosch halogen bulb of 60/55 watts
Osram nightbreaker though very bright but still I was not able to see the wet road surface in lower beam and the uupper beam gave me white light which was useless in foggy weather in hilly areas
Almost the same thing with Philips Xtreme power

But in heavy rain with wet surfaces and night time riding in ghats,I found the yellowish white light of Bosch 60/55 H4 Halogen bulb very very pleasant.
I was not at all feeling the strain on eyes during riding in heavy rain and that to in the hilly regions

I am not sure but can anybody explain how this happens
Philips Xtreme power claims to give 80% more light
Osram Night breaker claims to give 90% more light
Both these bulbs are very bright as compared to 60/55 watts bulbs.These bulbs gives light almost like a 100/90 watts bulb but still I have problem whereas with normal Osram/Bosch/Halonix 60/55 watts bulbs,I dont find problem driving at night time.Very pleasant to eyes.With this bulbs,I can ride the whole night irrespective of any weather and around 500 meters of clear view while riding at night time

Very soon,I am changing my battery to 4A/5A from my current 2.5AH

[pankajshirke]

8 inch Round Headlight for H4 P43T type 60/55 watts bulb

Dear friends,
can anybody tell me from where in India can we get a 8 inch round headlight with H4 P43t Halogen bulb
I searched and got one link on Ebay but quite expensive around 32 pounds and was only meant for vintage bikes hence I dont think that it will support a H4 P43T type bulb thus it will be waste of money even after spending so much.No details of this part was given.
Basically any round headlight we get for cars/buses/trucks it is max around 7 inch
I am having a Fiero FX round Dome and its outer headlight rim which can support upto 8 inch round headlight but No car/truck/bus/bike in India have round headlight above 7 inches(Except Fiero FX and TVS Star DLX which have around 8 inch headlight rating till 35/35 W hence the reflectors turn black in just 6 months if I use 60/55 watts bulb.I used Fiero FX headlight with 60/55 watts bulb.It had excellent beam spread and visibility for night travel but my happiness didnt last long.In 2-3 months itself,the reflectors started turning black from corners.I noticed it when I focussed the beam on wall and I saw many black spots in the beam pattern)
Are there any round headlight around 200 mm/8 inch available

[vineeth aredath]

@ vineeth

Great output.

thanks man.

You guys are nuts man. I use a 40w x 2 hid on my r15 that itself is bright . You guys on 55w am jealous . I want a bigger battery on my R15

get something like this

Vineet, Man, you too Brutus

Its too cruel man, 35W HID on a P220 high beam is too much to handle for naked eyes, now u are screwing with a killer 2X55W=100W HID on high beam You didn't got 2X100W HID like Nano using?

lol

Pls use it very very judiciously as its very dangerous to others and thereby to you as well.

I would say those who are running with HIDs should be more responsible than a 100W halogen user as the FF glass + MFR will scatter the glares like hell in case of a HID.

point taken sir, the low beam itself is more than enough for sane riding.

Whoa!!!
You are insane man...are you running on stock battery by any chance

thanks

Nop am using Amaron 9amp maintain-enc free battery

I was testing the reflector

Saw Vineeth's setup in real last week, the setup is neatly done. And insane too

hey thanks bro, so you were in wayanad ?

[Shreeni0403]

Dear friends,
can anybody tell me from where in India can we get a 8 inch round headlight with H4 P43t Halogen bulb
I searched and got one link on Ebay but quite expensive around 32 pounds and was only meant for vintage bikes hence I dont think that it will support a H4 P43T type bulb thus it will be waste of money even after spending so much.No details of this part was given.
Basically any round headlight we get for cars/buses/trucks it is max around 7 inch
I am having a Fiero FX round Dome and its outer headlight rim which can support upto 8 inch round headlight but No car/truck/bus/bike in India have round headlight above 7 inches(Except Fiero FX and TVS Star DLX which have around 8 inch headlight rating till 35/35 W hence the reflectors turn black in just 6 months if I use 60/55 watts bulb.I used Fiero FX headlight with 60/55 watts bulb.It had excellent beam spread and visibility for night travel but my happiness didnt last long.In 2-3 months itself,the reflectors started turning black from corners.I noticed it when I focussed the beam on wall and I saw many black spots in the beam pattern)
Are there any round headlight around 200 mm/8 inch available

Why don't you change the rear plastic to Classic Pulsar's and put a Ambassador Seal Beam ? Should work out cheap as well.

[pankajshirke]

Why don't you change the rear plastic to Classic Pulsar's and put a Ambassador Seal Beam ? Should work out cheap as well.

Sreeni
I am using classic pulsar and Tata Ace headlight setup
But any round headlight I am getting is 7 inch be it Ambassador/Mahindra Jeep/Tata Ace/Bullet classic/Maruti Omni headlight

I am just interested to know that is there any car or bike(Except Fiero/TVS Star DLX) which has a 8 inch round headlight
I am having a fiero fx dome which I can use for that 8 inch headlight
If available and supports H4 Halogen bulb then I can purchase
On Ebay it was for vintage motorcycles so there is no question of H4 Halogen bulb fitting in it
Also I saw a made in China 8 inch round headlight but no details are given
So if I order that,the chances are that it may be 7 inch also or in worst case 6 inches also
Hence not trustable
Sad to say but no car/bus/truck in India uses 8 inch round headlight hence it is difficult to get from any Indian market

[drvmtm]

@prince-lots of factors....
from my experience i can tell you that,,,,,,

a pulsars oem reflector blackens out even with its stock halogen in time,a stock p 220 glass with full stock lights can crack from no apparent reason,also a 55/60 can blacken out the reflector as well as a night breaker can melt the reflector.
there is no hifi uv or other things involved other than that the bajaj uses CRAP (YES YOU READ THAT RIGHT) to build its products to make it cheaper.it kinda works though.even the hid you are using is from a chinease space age company that may be produsing too much heat.in my opinion,forget the pain and change it when you find noticable difference in the output,make your life easier a bit.any reflector darkens with time,be it a bajaj,be it a beemer.

if you want some thing solid the glass reflector is always at your dispence from the ambassador.

just get a good bulb and clean the reflector ,and start riding,if needed change the reflector,no hi teck drill/thrill/heat sink will provide backup from this problem,always was there,always will be with headlights.

@vineeth----wow,just wow,i will not say anymore wow otherwise sajjit will kill me!

@shree- what yar,reflector blackening because lots of slow city ride!!! common man,i would rather walk then not to switch on my headlights all time if that burns it ,just imagine what superb products we are using.

@prince,again- ia m using hid for quite a long time now,given by good samaritan navnish,i use it as all time safty lights ,more then a year i suppose,no issues till now,same reflector ,same watt hid.

[pavanchirmade]

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