Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[velociraptor13]

Hi Joshee & Sajit,
Thanks. Thanks to you Sajit for helping me out. Still I'm in doubt with the battery but till it functions without hassel, it is fine.
I suggest instead of mounting on crash guard, try mounting it over the fork clamps. As you said ZMA has a full fairing it will be difficult to mount the clamps from the side but check if you can mount it from the front. There should be some opening (if you want I'll check one of the ZMA in our building) just make sure the fender will not touch the clamps. But any hardcore mechanic should be able to figure it out. Where there is a will there is a way . I did it from a guy called Ganesh who works at Zulfi's work shop at Grant Road (in the lane where Maharashtra Motors is). I gave him the dimension & idea. He cost me little more but since I wanted it, so did it. If you want to do it from him let me know we will do some bargain. I stay at Goregaon where there is an industrial area where also we can get it done.
The Micro-De I bought from Nana Peth in Pune. I will suggest you to buy those from him if you are unable to beat the price (Rs.5000) & it comes with the wiring harness, relay, electrical components, bulbs & switch. Everything is imported. I forgot the name of the dealer but if you want we can go together so that we can bargain more.
The build quality of Micro-De is too good. The casing made up of Magnesium alloy making it light but sturdy & heat dissipation is good.


Again my suggestion will be to find a way to put the lamps in the front rather than on the crash guard because you will get a good spread from the front & even a simple fall & impact on the crash guard may damage the lamps.
Hi Sajit,
I haven't yet mounted on my brother's fiesta since we need to do some arrangements for both (relays, switch & mount) but it can be easily done. I'll share the pictures of the FF200 along side Micor-De so that you will get an idea.
I also thought that the length of the clamps is a more but the issue if I reduce the length then the turn indicators will obstruct and also if I turn the handle completely then the tank fairing will obstruct. Even then if I reduce I'll need to rotate the lamps inside (towards the headlamps) due to which the beam spread will get affected.

@Abhijith-joshee lives in grand road itself so no issues for him to check it out.I too am interested for the micro dee for the 220(i know the lighting of the stock one is good,but still need a good one for the highways.If the pune dealer is giving in a good price for the entire kit we may as well go and check it out.

[sajjt]

Hi Joshee & Sajit,
Thanks. Thanks to you Sajit for helping me out. Still I'm in doubt with the battery but till it functions without hassel, it is fine.
I suggest instead of mounting on crash guard, try mounting it over the fork clamps. As you said ZMA has a full fairing it will be difficult to mount the clamps from the side but check if you can mount it from the front. There should be some opening (if you want I'll check one of the ZMA in our building) just make sure the fender will not touch the clamps. But any hardcore mechanic should be able to figure it out. Where there is a will there is a way . I did it from a guy called Ganesh who works at Zulfi's work shop at Grant Road (in the lane where Maharashtra Motors is). I gave him the dimension & idea. He cost me little more but since I wanted it, so did it. If you want to do it from him let me know we will do some bargain. I stay at Goregaon where there is an industrial area where also we can get it done.
The Micro-De I bought from Nana Peth in Pune. I will suggest you to buy those from him if you are unable to beat the price (Rs.5000) & it comes with the wiring harness, relay, electrical components, bulbs & switch. Everything is imported. I forgot the name of the dealer but if you want we can go together so that we can bargain more.
The build quality of Micro-De is too good. The casing made up of Magnesium alloy making it light but sturdy & heat dissipation is good.


Again my suggestion will be to find a way to put the lamps in the front rather than on the crash guard because you will get a good spread from the front & even a simple fall & impact on the crash guard may damage the lamps.
Hi Sajit,
I haven't yet mounted on my brother's fiesta since we need to do some arrangements for both (relays, switch & mount) but it can be easily done. I'll share the pictures of the FF200 along side Micor-De so that you will get an idea.
I also thought that the length of the clamps is a more but the issue if I reduce the length then the turn indicators will obstruct and also if I turn the handle completely then the tank fairing will obstruct. Even then if I reduce I'll need to rotate the lamps inside (towards the headlamps) due to which the beam spread will get affected.

Hi Abhi,

If I were you, I would've placed the Micro DE just below the indicators so that it wont look protruded.

And you haven't answered my query on FF200 price

Pls post the pics as soon as u install them. I hope u wont take long

I have a quesition: I have 1 ballast unit + HID lamp with me, I want to put his in my bike. I was just curious how do I do that. Also, how it is possible to light up the two filaments on my HID bulb (2 for hi-lo beams) from one ballast supply? or do I need 2 ballasts for that?

If I need 2 ballasts for the hi-low beams, how do I do the circuit?

@Sajjan: any help or advice you can provide sir?

Anyone else??

Firstly you have to tell us whats ur ride? Is it full DC? and what about the HID kit? If you don't've any idea then a pic would be more helpful.

If its a bi xenon, it will have both the beams with a single ballast, else you'll've only one beam which depends on the kit type. I guess you'ven't gone through the thread fully as we have discussed about HID kits many times. Come up with the above details so that we shall try to help u.

[Centaur]

@Navnish - yes, the pics definitely don't do justice. The glare that is seen in the pix is not there in actuality. It's just that I don't have any idea of aperture settings and exposures and all that...

The strain on the eyes that pankajshirke was pointing out was something that I haven't noticed yet, though on the other hand, I haven't ridden much with it either - just about 30 kms from Panvel to home, but even that was in the rains.

As he said, white light is no use in the rains and fog, they get dispersed before they even hit the road - you can only see a glimpse of the light on the road and only if there's a vehicle ahead of you do you notice your light - but that's the case with all lights that have more white content, I guess.

On dry roads, it's awesome - no two ways about it. (Though I will have to lower my high beam quite a bit to avoid blinding the oncoming traffic). I like the road to be well lit up when I ride on the highways at night. And also, it's not as white as it seems, it's pretty warm when compared to other white lights with higher kelvin ratings.

Taking a cue from Abhijitkn, I guess I'll be experimenting a bit with the positioning of the lights -- maybe a couple of auxiliary lights with the dual beam HID mod with two 35w or 40w for exclusive highway use, the 55w as low beam, and stock high beam for flashing - don't know how to work it, but it's just an idea (Pavan - any workarounds for this?)

Well, let's see what we shall see. Cheers

[crack_mech]

Firstly you have to tell us whats ur ride? Is it full DC? and what about the HID kit? If you don't've any idea then a pic would be more helpful.

If its a bi xenon, it will have both the beams with a single ballast, else you'll've only one beam which depends on the kit type. I guess you'ven't gone through the thread fully as we have discussed about HID kits many times. Come up with the above details so that we shall try to help u.

Yeah, my bike is full DC.

The kit is a bi Xenon. I understand that it requires only one ballast, but If I want to put a HID lamp with two filaments, would I still need 2 ballasts? I also want to know to put the relay in the circuit and whats its exact function.

Thanks!

[abhijitkn]

@Abhijith-joshee lives in grand road itself so no issues for him to check it out.I too am interested for the micro dee for the 220(i know the lighting of the stock one is good,but still need a good one for the highways.If the pune dealer is giving in a good price for the entire kit we may as well go and check it out.

Hi Veloci,

No issues...just let me know in advance so that I'll check the availability of the lamps & since you are buying 2 we might get more discount

[abhijitkn]

Hella FF200 Driving & Micro-De Fog Lamps

Hi Abhi,
If I were you, I would've placed the Micro DE just below the indicators so that it wont look protruded.
And you haven't answered my query on FF200 price
Pls post the pics as soon as u install them. I hope u wont take long

Hi Sajit,

If I mount it below the tail lamps then it touches the tank fairing because of the length of the lamps. So I had to mount it that way. I'll take some pix so you will have an idea or I'll get another option.
The cost of FF200 was Rs.2800/- it came in the pack of 2 not like micro-de.
Bear with me...finding hard to get some time in busy schedule.
I'm not sure how much time it will take to mount it on my brother's car but as I said I'll send you the snaps along with dimensions if you like. May be in the week end I'll be able to take the pix.

[abhijeet080808]

Thanks Abhijeet.

I think this circuit is similar to what i posted, but will give this a try. Could you give me what resistors go in at R1 & R2 ? I am currently using 10k for both.

Use C=10uF, R1=10Ohms, R2=100KOhms variable resistor.

[Janesh.J]

Use C=10uF, R1=10Ohms, R2=100KOhms variable resistor.

Thanks Abhijeet.

I also found this info on a website which says
"R1 and R2 should be in the range 1k to 1M"

You can refer it here
But if your values work then its great.

[sajjt]

Yeah, my bike is full DC.

The kit is a bi Xenon. I understand that it requires only one ballast, but If I want to put a HID lamp with two filaments, would I still need 2 ballasts? I also want to know to put the relay in the circuit and whats its exact function.

Thanks!

Dude,

Your answer is incomplete. You need to specify whats ur ride, then only somebody can say the bi xenon will fit on to ur ride as there are bikes have dual and twin headlamps.

Firstly HID doesn't've filaments, its a different technology, google for more info. Bi-Xenon HID means it has dual beam within one unit but only one bulb, where the bulb position will be changing to achieve this.

Relay is just another heavy duty switch to handle the initial current requirement which is considered to be higher than a normal bulb. If the relay is installed properly ur stock switch will be safe else, u may have to replace it soon.

Hi Sajit,

If I mount it below the tail lamps then it touches the tank fairing because of the length of the lamps. So I had to mount it that way. I'll take some pix so you will have an idea or I'll get another option.
The cost of FF200 was Rs.2800/- it came in the pack of 2 not like micro-de.
Bear with me...finding hard to get some time in busy schedule.
I'm not sure how much time it will take to mount it on my brother's car but as I said I'll send you the snaps along with dimensions if you like. May be in the week end I'll be able to take the pix.

Since I dont've that bike, I cant judge it by seeing a pic, take some time and align it bit more compact for a better looks.

Are you sure that its FF 200 Driving lights? Pls check on the box it came. Fogs are cheaper than driving lights. But I am looking for a aux driving lamp which is priced in the range of 6K IIRC. Only driving lamps can provide u distant vision, where as on fogs its giving u a good peripheral vision rather than distant visibility. Can u post the pics of the carton?

No issues, take ur own time and get me the pics, it will be useful for my purchase.

BTW, hey Micro De comes in single piece? I thought it comes in pairs.

[abhijitkn]

Hella FF200 driving lamps

Since I dont'v that bike, I cant judge it by seeing a pic, take some time and align it bit more compact for a better looks.

Are you sure that its FF 200 Driving lights? Pls check on the box it came. Fogs are cheaper than driving lights. But I am looking for a aux driving lamp which is priced in the range of 6K IIRC. Only driving lamps can provide u distant vision, where as on fogs its giving u a good peripheral vision rather than distant visibility. Can u post the pics of the carton?
No issues, take ur own time and get me the pics, it will be useful for my purchase.
BTW, hey Micro De comes in single piece? I thought it comes in pairs.

Hi Sajit,
I checked the bike, you can not mount the lamps on the straight strip, but yes if we make _l shaped strip then yes, we can reduce the length & the lamps will come in front with the headlight, & tail of the lamps won't touch the tank fairing. I'll try that soon but only problem I see is the vibrations for which I'll need to use thicker strip.
& regarding FF200, Yepp, they are driving lamps only. I checked the fog lamps too but it comes with a different reflector. I think they were FF100 or something else.
I just checked the price online it says Rs.4000 but it says chrome styling & the one which I got is w/o chrome. It has a front cover too. But extra 1200 for chrome styling? Also online says that FF200 are driving lamps only.
I believe it is cheap at Opera house & the place is known for that but it can't be duplicate since I bought it via authentic & authorised distributor. I'll try to post the pictures today.
& oh yes, the wiring harness, switch, relay only comes with Fog Lamps not with driving lamps that is why these accessories were missing from FF200's boxes (one box per lamp & you have to buy 2).
Micro-De comes in a pair but in single box. It includes the wiring harness, switch, relay & electrical components.
Both the lamps (fog & driving) can be bought in single qty online.
I suggest if you need for car then check FF500, online cost is 5K but may be it will cost cheaper at the retailer.

Hi Joshi,
May be you will get the Micro-De much less than 5k at opera, since online it says 5.5K & by my experience above, it should be cheaper @ Opera house than Pune.

[abhijeet080808]

Thanks Abhijeet.

I also found this info on a website which says
"R1 and R2 should be in the range 1k to 1M"

You can refer it here
But if your values work then its great.

That is a nice website. You can go ahead and use -

Use C=10uF, R1=1KOhms, R2=100KOhms variable resistor.

[abhijitkn]

Hella FF200 Driving & Micro-De Fog Lamps

Pictures speak thousand words!
Part-I

[abhijitkn]

Hella FF200 Driving & Micro-De Fog Lamps

Pictures speak thousand words!
Part-I

Part-II
The mounting instructions for Micro DE
The FF200 comes in 2 finish, ABS housing & Chrome finish. What I have is the one with ABS housing. It is not that durable as that of Micro De so I have to be more careful.
Also check Hella FF200 HID v. Micro DE HID thread on adventure rider you will come to know the difference between the two. The installation on BMW is sophisticated & neat since it has provision for mounting these lamps. (sic) my FZ don't have so I had to make an adjustment.

There are many links you can find on google on how to convert Micro De into HID, few of which I shared in the old posts but t is not straight forward..but results are quite tempting..

Hope I have cleared all the doubts if not then let me know.

[Janesh.J]

That is a nice website. You can go ahead and use -

Use C=10uF, R1=1KOhms, R2=100KOhms variable resistor.

Thanks again Abhijeet .

[sajjt]

Pictures speak thousand words!
Part-I

Wow, this is what I really want buddy, thanks for the prompt help


Now am waiting for the pics fingers crossed.

One more, have you checked the price for the Comet 200? Or both are same? By looks its almost same. Both have FF glass too