Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

[sandeepcf]

Hi All,

This is the video of the circuit i built using the below circuit. It worked for me. You can change the value of capacitor C1 or resistor R2 to get the exact flashing timing. R2 can be preset or pot of 100K.

YouTube - ‪Flasher for LED Indicators using 555 Timer‬‏

Need details on how you connected the output of the circuit to drive the LED's.
Any amplifier ckt or relay etccc.
Please update in detail in DIY section also.

[pankajshirke]

Guys will a 55/60W bulb work on a HH Glamour? say Philips Premium 55/60W bulb?

You can put a 60/55 watts bulb on Glamor
But before that check the technical specifications of the magneto coilplate ie how much watts it generate and how much watts output is reserved for headlight

But so far I know,other than Karizma and Ambition,you cant directly put a 60/55 watts bulb directly to any Hero Honda bikes

Also the scooter regulator kind of job is not useful for Hero Honda bikes because Hero Honda bikes need gives high watts at higher rpms.They are not like Bajaj and TVS who generate 50 watts at just 2000 rpm
To generate 50 watts Hero Honda,Honda,Suzuki,Yamaha etc bikes need atleast 3500 rpm

Which means that if you put a 60/55 watts bulb directly to Glamor,then you will have to always keep the accelerator raced hard so that the bulb will glow till its full intensity.
At low rpm,your headlight will become very dim like a candle.Its intensity will be almost half to that of a 35 watts bulb.

The only solution to this is to do coil rewinding
But the top rpm will drop and your top speed will decrease significantly.maybe your bike will feel stretched beyond 60 kmph itself because coil rewinding means increase in weight of magneto which means that the coil will rotate slowly due to more weight,hence max rpm will decrease hence the bhp also will decrease.
But you will get full intensity light even at idling rpm

[Prakritij]

hi Friends,
my Bike's headlamps are rated at 35w halogen OEM and I want to know what is their colour temperature and lumens rating
please help



RIDE SAFE

Please help



RIDE SAFE

[pankajshirke]

Hi guys,

Myself Abhijit here from Bangalore. I am sorry if I am breaking any forum rules by posting this query here.

I just got a new Yamaha Fazer. I am all satisfied with my bike except the headlights, Yamaha actually forgot (ignored) one of the important point . As I travel mostly at night, 50 KM up and down daily, I am having great difficulties with the illumination of my current headlights. I am literally blind on the streets, its like riding with a small torchlight on

So I want to improve my headlights, may be with HID, Projector Headlamps etc etc. Don't have much idea about these.

So guys, please suggest me for the following points:

1) Should I go for HID? If yes, which one? Cost? I want better vision with both headlights, Hi & Low.

2) Should I go for Projector Headlamps? If yes, which one? Cost?

3) Should I stick to Halogen? If yes, which one is best for me? Cost?

4) Any good shop where I can get all the required items and do the modifications correctly? With address and phone number if possible.

5) I welcome any other suggestions or tips from you guys.

I hope you guys can save me. Thanks in advance. xBhp rocks.

PS: I forgot to mention, I do not want any fancy headlights on my bike. I just want to get the best possible vision with my headlights so that I can ride securely at night.

Since you dont want fancy headlights
Here is one solution

You will have to do coil rewinding ie you have to take out the magneto,take it to an good auto electrician/motor rewinding shop
He will remove your current coil windings and do coil windings with a thick copper wire
Thus when windings are increased,more output is given from the alternator hence you can support a 60/55 watts bulb

After this the next step is purchasing a good headlight reflector round ones
Ambassador car/Tata Ace 7 inch round headlight reflectors are very good ones.They support the latest H4 Halogen bulbs like P43T type holders

Next take one Pulsar headlight rim and Pulsar round dome only.Dont purchase the Pulsar headlight assembly.Only dome and the outer rim.

Next just fit the round reflector in Pulsar headlight rim using the clips

Take a good 60/55 watts bulb
I recommend Bosch 60/55 watts or Philips Premium.Purchase from an genuine dealer only.Bosch has got outlets in all towns in India
Also tell the dealer that you require this bulb for a car(Zen/Omni new model) because if you tell that dealer that you have modified your bike and .......... to support 60/55 watts bulb,he will not give you the bulb.No car spare parts shop owner gives bulbs if you tell like that

Now check whether bulb fits in the socket

Next you have to remove the fairing and put the round headlight housing clamps

After that fit the Pulsar round dome on that housing clamps and then connect the bulb and fit the headlight rim with screws.
Thats it

Total cost
Pulsar round Headlight dome: 70 rs
Pulsar round headlight rim: 90 rupees
Tata Ace Headlight : 350 rupees
6 Clips to fit headlight on rim: 20 rupees
Halogen Bulb: 90 rupees(Bosch/Philips Premium 60/55 H4 P43t Type)
2 Headlight housing clamps: 200 rupees

Labor charges: 70 to 100 rupees

No idea about in how much rupees Coil rewinding is done

So if you go by this way,you will be able to increase headlight intensity in around 1000 to 1200 rupees approx.I dont have any idea of coil rewinding charges but I suppose that it may be around 300 rupees

Whereas for HID/Projector may cost you too much

Since you are from Bangalore
I got an interesting information from Mr Dilip Bam's indiabike.com , I am giving you contact from where you can do modifications to headlights.Maybe these people are best ones to guide you.please contact them
DOWN-TOWN-WORKS (popularly known as DTW) SHANTHI NAGAR,
Phone 22224276.
or
ZEN MOTORs, 127/10, BULL TEMPLE ROAD, K.G.NAGAR, BANGALORE Phones==26678266 / 26678229 / 41102009

[pankajshirke]

Please help



RIDE SAFE

Color temperatures I dont know
But Lumens rating for a 35/35 watts bulb are 825/525 lumens in High/Low beam

and 60/55 watts have 1650/1000 lumens in H/L beams

[Prakritij]

Color temperatures I dont know
But Lumens rating for a 35/35 watts bulb are 825/525 lumens in High/Low beam

and 60/55 watts have 1650/1000 lumens in H/L beams

Thank you man

Can anyone please tell me the colour temperature of a 35W bulb? is it equal to less than 3000k?



RIDE SAFE

[Aneesh@4GHz]

You can put a 60/55 watts bulb on Glamor
But before that check the technical specifications of the magneto coilplate ie how much watts it generate and how much watts output is reserved for headlight

But so far I know,other than Karizma and Ambition,you cant directly put a 60/55 watts bulb directly to any Hero Honda bikes

Also the scooter regulator kind of job is not useful for Hero Honda bikes because Hero Honda bikes need gives high watts at higher rpms.They are not like Bajaj and TVS who generate 50 watts at just 2000 rpm
To generate 50 watts Hero Honda,Honda,Suzuki,Yamaha etc bikes need atleast 3500 rpm

Which means that if you put a 60/55 watts bulb directly to Glamor,then you will have to always keep the accelerator raced hard so that the bulb will glow till its full intensity.
At low rpm,your headlight will become very dim like a candle.Its intensity will be almost half to that of a 35 watts bulb.

The only solution to this is to do coil rewinding
But the top rpm will drop and your top speed will decrease significantly.maybe your bike will feel stretched beyond 60 kmph itself because coil rewinding means increase in weight of magneto which means that the coil will rotate slowly due to more weight,hence max rpm will decrease hence the bhp also will decrease.
But you will get full intensity light even at idling rpm

Thanks for the detailed explanation bro,So will it glow at full brightness at 3500rpm? even the 35W bulb looks like candle at idle rpm. any other bad effects on putting 55/60W in glamour? and what about 55/60W bulb in Hunk?

[Blumarine005]

Hi,

I have pre-owned 2005 ZMA. The prev owner has fitted a 5Ah Amaron batery and 35w Halonix bulb. I am unhappy with the lighting. I want to improve it. Can anyone suggest me some resolution.

I have seen a 100/90w Phillips premium bulb but I am worried if the battery would support the high ratings of the bulb. BTW, I have already changed the pilot lamps to led. Is it going to help ?

Siddhartha.

[abhidjn]

@pankajshirke

Thanks for the info. I will call them up tomorrow. Lets see what they can do for me! Are these shops only do bike modifications or they are car shop? Will I get all the things done there (from coil rewinding to all the necessary stuffs)?

One more thing: As the Fazer has twin headlights (its not round also), how can I fit round reflector and dome here?

[Aneesh@4GHz]

Hi,

I have pre-owned 2005 ZMA. The prev owner has fitted a 5Ah Amaron batery and 35w Halonix bulb. I am unhappy with the lighting. I want to improve it. Can anyone suggest me some resolution.

Guess you have space for a 7Ah battery.Change the battery to 7Ah MF battery or if you ready do a little mod,buy Amaron 9Ah MF battery which has 4years warranty and exide comes with only 2 years warranty. Check my signature for how to fix Amaron 9Ah battery in karizma.

I have seen a 100/90w Phillips premium bulb but I am worried if the battery would support the high ratings of the bulb. BTW, I have already changed the pilot lamps to led. Is it going to help ?

Siddhartha.

Donot put 100/90 W bulb in your karizma,It will burn your reflectors and will need a relay,So i we wont recommend it to you,If you want cheaper Solutions Get

Philips Premium 55/60W or Halonix 55/60W

These comes in maruti cars,so go to a Maruti A S S and get the genuine bulb,Beware of fake bulbs so try to get it from theses service centers. This will cost you nearly 85rs for a bulb.


If you need white light,So you can get Philips Xtreme Power 55/60W and wil cost you nearly 900 for a pair.

[kaynmantis]

Thank you man

Can anyone please tell me the colour temperature of a 35W bulb? is it equal to less than 3000k?

RIDE SAFE

Strictly speaking, watts does not determine colour temperature. A 5 watts bulb can have 3000k temp. while a 100 watts can have the same temp. Also, a 5 watts bulb can be 8000k, while 100w can be 3000k or vice versa. Colour temperature in laymen term simply means the colour of the light. You can paint the bulb to change the colour temperarure. Red, blue, yellow etc. Hope its clear.

Hi,

I have pre-owned 2005 ZMA. The prev owner has fitted a 5Ah Amaron batery and 35w Halonix bulb. I am unhappy with the lighting. I want to improve it. Can anyone suggest me some resolution.

I have seen a 100/90w Phillips premium bulb but I am worried if the battery would support the high ratings of the bulb. BTW, I have already changed the pilot lamps to led. Is it going to help ?

Siddhartha.

Guess you have space for a 7Ah battery.Change the battery to 7Ah MF battery or if you ready do a little mod,buy Amaron 9Ah MF battery which has 4years warranty and exide comes with only 2 years warranty. Check my signature for how to fix Amaron 9Ah battery in karizma.

Donot put 100/90 W bulb in your karizma,It will burn your reflectors and will need a relay,So i we wont recommend it to you,If you want cheaper Solutions Get

Philips Premium 55/60W or Halonix 55/60W

These comes in maruti cars,so go to a Maruti A S S and get the genuine bulb,Beware of fake bulbs so try to get it from theses service centers. This will cost you nearly 85rs for a bulb.


If you need white light,So you can get Philips Xtreme Power 55/60W and wil cost you nearly 900 for a pair.

+ 1 to @Aneesh@4GHz. Let me also emphasis, DO NOT put 100/90W. You can use 55/60W and change battery to 9 amp.

[sajjt]

You can put a 60/55 watts bulb on Glamor
But before that check the technical specifications of the magneto coilplate ie how much watts it generate and how much watts output is reserved for headlight

Any idea how to get this info?

But you will get full intensity light even at idling rpm

And I would go with Drji's word as 55/60W wont support on HH steeds evenif its got a rewinded coil. The RR behaves differently than the other bikes, rewinding just improves the battery charging rates.

I've seen many HH guys had gone for a 55/60W halogen and eventually found them seleves its a waste of time as the stock was far far better than this. How can you cope with turns keeping the rpm levels high? I dont think it wont lightup more than 75% of that halogen even on higher rpms which is less than the stock 35W full brightness.

The only solution to this is to do coil rewinding
But the top rpm will drop and your top speed will decrease significantly.maybe your bike will feel stretched beyond 60 kmph itself because coil rewinding means increase in weight of magneto which means that the coil will rotate slowly due to more weight,hence max rpm will decrease hence the bhp also will decrease.

It may turn out as a waste of time and money as am yet to hear on a HH rewinding mod. I guess it would be more appropriate for a HH owner who had achieved this.

Dude, do you have any proof for this? It will not affect the performance that significantly, a slight drop in the top end, thats what I've experienced so far. Else we would've gone back to the stock coils by now You will never feel this in the lower end. Check for few pages back where our Drji had rewinded with a 17G wire which is considered to be the max AFAIK and still he does decent speeds. Rewinding the coil surely gives stress to the engine but not considerably. To be precise, its not like loading another pillion rider 1+2

Rewinding the stock coil doesn't exert that much stress on the engine. I would say slight drop of rpm of 100 or so thats what I've observed.

Still not convinced? Check out Nano's 100W HID thread for the engine stress when he loaded the 35A car alternator to a 150CC bike.

Since you dont want fancy headlights
Here is one solution

You will have to do coil rewinding ie you have to take out the magneto,take it to an good auto electrician/motor rewinding shop
He will remove your current coil windings and do coil windings with a thick copper wire
Thus when windings are increased,more output is given from the alternator hence you can support a 60/55 watts bulb

After this the next step is purchasing a good headlight reflector round ones
Ambassador car/Tata Ace 7 inch round headlight reflectors are very good ones.They support the latest H4 Halogen bulbs like P43T type holders

Next take one Pulsar headlight rim and Pulsar round dome only.Dont purchase the Pulsar headlight assembly.Only dome and the outer rim.

Next just fit the round reflector in Pulsar headlight rim using the clips

Take a good 60/55 watts bulb
I recommend Bosch 60/55 watts or Philips Premium.Purchase from an genuine dealer only.Bosch has got outlets in all towns in India
Also tell the dealer that you require this bulb for a car(Zen/Omni new model) because if you tell that dealer that you have modified your bike and .......... to support 60/55 watts bulb,he will not give you the bulb.No car spare parts shop owner gives bulbs if you tell like that

Now check whether bulb fits in the socket

Next you have to remove the fairing and put the round headlight housing clamps

After that fit the Pulsar round dome on that housing clamps and then connect the bulb and fit the headlight rim with screws.
Thats it

Total cost
Pulsar round Headlight dome: 70 rs
Pulsar round headlight rim: 90 rupees
Tata Ace Headlight : 350 rupees
6 Clips to fit headlight on rim: 20 rupees
Halogen Bulb: 90 rupees(Bosch/Philips Premium 60/55 H4 P43t Type)
2 Headlight housing clamps: 200 rupees

Labor charges: 70 to 100 rupees

No idea about in how much rupees Coil rewinding is done

So if you go by this way,you will be able to increase headlight intensity in around 1000 to 1200 rupees approx.I dont have any idea of coil rewinding charges but I suppose that it may be around 300 rupees

Whereas for HID/Projector may cost you too much

Since you are from Bangalore
I got an interesting information from Mr Dilip Bam's indiabike.com , I am giving you contact from where you can do modifications to headlights.Maybe these people are best ones to guide you.please contact them
DOWN-TOWN-WORKS (popularly known as DTW) SHANTHI NAGAR,
Phone 22224276.
or
ZEN MOTORs, 127/10, BULL TEMPLE ROAD, K.G.NAGAR, BANGALORE Phones==26678266 / 26678229 / 41102009

Dude, Fazer's got a very robust power plant to light up 2X35W halogens by stock and many are directly plonking 2X55W without any modifications. The only thing has to be taken care of is try the dual setup only on highways or keep the rpm levels above average so that your battery wont get fried as its got a puny 3.5A batt. AFAIK no one had opted for a rewinding of coils for FZ series till date.

Have ever visualized how bad will be a Fazer with a round HL? It surely spoil the looks at least for me as its purely subjective. These econo mods may be an uplift for 10 year old bikes but will be a total mess for a new generation bike as it will spoil its appeal totally.

BTW, how much will be the cost of an Ace hl assy? Is it as cheaper as an Amby?

[Janesh.J]

Need details on how you connected the output of the circuit to drive the LED's.
Any amplifier ckt or relay etccc.
Please update in detail in DIY section also.

Hi Sandeep,

I have used the circuit that i had uploaded earlier. Am attaching the updated circuit with connections. I have used SPDT relay connected to Pin 3 of 555. The supply voltage + goes to common of the relay and its output is received on NO / NC as required.


Now the flasher LEDs are connected to the NO/NO and ground, which will give the flashing effect. One circuit does the job.

[MAXzma]

Hey Abhijit,

Its very simple bro. You need not build any circuit or something like that.

Here is what you can do:
You need to pull out two wires from the front two signal lamps. Now when you connect both these with each other & press the turn signal switch to either right or left, all your 4 indicators will glow. If you switch off the turn signal the hazard lights will also go off.

If you disconnect the wires you pulled out from the indicators & then switch on the indicator, they will work normally.

You can put an ON/OFF switch to put the hazards ON/OFF(to complete the circuit).

I have been using this setup from years without any issues.

I hope you got it.

If we do it in the front two signal lamps will it be reflected in the back turn signals also or do we have to do some wiring there as well?

[imjoshee]

If we do it in the front two signal lamps will it be reflected in the back turn signals also or do we have to do some wiring there as well?

Hey MAX,
All the 4 turn signals will glow. You do not have to do any mods for the rear to glow.