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  • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

    Originally posted by pranav0091 View Post
    Lovely explanation. But I have doubts on why the wire needs to be so thick. I see people recommending thicker gauge wires without realising that the power generated is a function of flux cut in each rotation, which in laymans terms is proportional the number of coil turns. Any comments on this area ?

    BTW, that coil in the picture is one long wire from end to end correct ?
    The thick vs. thin wire is a debate, especially in the RC plane community. To be very simple, thicker wires produce less voltage and higher current which is desirable in case of small stators, such as the ones in motorcycles.

    Now to drive deeper in the matter, thicker wires have larger cross-sectional area facilitating better and more efficient flow of electrons (Some say, it is due the larger surface area, but it is not correct as electrons electrons do not travel along the surface of a conductor, it travels through the whole conductor.) resulting in less resistance thus, producing better magnetic field strength in the stator. Also larger surface area helps in heat dissipation.

    AFAIK the power generation depends more on the amount of copper in the winding versus the iron in the stator body. In case of a thin wires, the only way to increase the amount of copper (in order to generate more power) is to wind more of it, but a thicker wire does not need to be winded more to increase the amount of copper. While higher amount of copper leads to higher power generation, it is possible to saturate the iron core of the stator, so there is a limit on how much copper a stator body can take. After the limit is crossed winding more would not yield more power, in fact it would lower it due to higher parasitic loss (more weight means more drag).

    There are some problems with using thicker wires too, first of all, winding thicker wires require sophisticated machinery and it is not as efficient as winding thinner wires. That's why you see manufacturers using thinner wires, it matters on large scale operations but in case of rewinding stators where one does not need to pump out thousands of stator coils in a day, it does not matter. For the record, the stator coil in the pictures I posted earlier was machine winded. Thicker wires create some unfilled space against flat surfaces, also the winding becomes somewhat oval shaped and it wastes some space. It is also easier to wind thin wires than thicker ones and there are some gaps in the stator core where only thin wires would fit perfectly.

    I'm not an electrical engineer and whatever I say should be taken with a grain of salt.

    And yes, it is a single piece of wire which has been winded around all the poles.
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    • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

      Electronics engineer here

      It didnt occur to me about the resistance dropping with the thicker wire, yeah that makes sense. You would like thicker wire to reduce power loss as heat in the coil. Thanks for pointing it out

      Now a few small corrections if you dont mind.

      Some say, it is due the larger surface area, but it is not correct as electrons electrons do not travel along the surface of a conductor, it travels through the whole conductor.
      The surface area that they must be talking about is the cross sectional surface area, thicker the wire lesser the resistance like you pointed out.


      AFAIK the power generation depends more on the amount of copper in the winding versus the iron in the stator body.
      This sounds suspicious to me. Voltage across the coil (in an approximate fashion) , V proprtional to N*A*F*R , where N is the number of turns of the coil loop, A is the area enclosed by the coil loop and F is a measure of the magnets' strength and R is rotations per unit time.

      The Voltage induced across the thicker wire and the thinner wire is the same, but the current through them isnt - thicker wire having lesser resistance lets more current to pass. Since Power = current x voltage, a thicker coil will generate more power (slightly) for the exact same coil length and other conditions.

      So the power generated, can be controlled for our purposes by increasing the number of turns, by using a thicker wire or a stronger magnet. The iron is simply a passive element, to increase the density of the flux lines that "cut" the coil during each turn.

      The rest sounds good to me. And some of it is new knowlwdge too.
      For someone thats not an electrical engineer, thats some fine knowledge you have


      Do you mind/ is it possible to get a top view of that wound assembly ? I think I have an idea of how to wind them properly, but would like to have a confirmation - regarding the direction of the winding as seen from the plane of the circular stator (like looking at it from the edge of a disk). Thanks again
      Last edited by pranav0091; 06-05-2014, 02:38 AM.

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      • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

        I want to install HID on my p220, can anyone suggest something good n reliable with the price tag and fitting instructions.
        Thankyou.

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        • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

          Originally posted by Cleaner View Post
          Pulsar 135LS is full DC, including ignition. You can kickstart the bike without a battery as the RR provides DC current to the ignition coil. No matter what your bike's electrical system is, you'll need to use Avenger RR if you use the Avenger 180 coil to handle the increased power output.

          The Ape RR is great as it provides full DC output and can handle upto 27 Amps easily, the Ape RR costs 1850 rupees the last time I checked, and getting the Avenger 180 stator coil rewinded to full DC costs 1500 rupees (That includes the cost of a new Avenger 180 stator coil), so ultimately the cost boils down to about 4000 rupees including labor charges for fitting the stator coil and cost of 60/55 watt halogen bulb.

          You are not asking too much and your questions are not bothering me at all, I'm glad that I could help you out.


          can you tell me the Part No. of new Ape rr unit ? and it will be more helpfull for everyone if you can post a pic of new APe rr unit with its part no.

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          • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

            Originally posted by Yogesh__Sj View Post
            can you tell me the Part No. of new Ape rr unit ? and it will be more helpfull for everyone if you can post a pic of new APe rr unit with its part no.
            The Ape RR have two versions AFAIK. One without the white connector with red wire, the part number of this one is ED22158 and the part name is REGULATOR, other one with the red wire and white connector is named VOLTAGE REGULATOR and part number is ED33204. The Ape RR Unit costs 1849 rupees the last time I checked, earlier it was around 1100 rupees. The red colored wire with white connector was earlier connected to ammeter to show the battery charge, now-a-days it is connected to a light which glows when the battery is not charging, you can safely ignore this wire or just buy the one without the red wire.
            You can see the pictures of both the RR unit below.

            Ape RR Unit without the red wire (ED22158)


            Ape RR unit with the red wire (ED33204)

            [MENTION=64868]pranav0091[/MENTION] I'm sorry for replying late, I did not receive notification about the post you made, just noticed it when I visited this thread to reply to [MENTION=50338]Yogesh__Sj[/MENTION] I'm sorry, I don't have picture of the coil from that angle.

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            Originally posted by Yogesh__Sj View Post
            can you tell me the Part No. of new Ape rr unit ? and it will be more helpfull for everyone if you can post a pic of new APe rr unit with its part no.
            The Ape RR have two versions AFAIK. One without the white connector with red wire, the part number of this one is ED22158 and the part name is REGULATOR, other one with the red wire and white connector is named VOLTAGE REGULATOR and part number is ED33204. The Ape RR Unit costs 1849 rupees the last time I checked, earlier it was around 1100 rupees. The red colored wire with white connector was earlier connected to ammeter to show the battery charge, now-a-days it is connected to a light which glows when the battery is not charging, you can safely ignore this wire or just buy the one without the red wire.
            You can see the pictures of both the RR unit below.

            Ape RR Unit without the red wire (ED22158)


            Ape RR unit with the red wire (ED33204)

            [MENTION=64868]pranav0091[/MENTION] I'm sorry for replying late, I did not receive notification about the post you made, just noticed it when I visited this thread to reply to [MENTION=50338]Yogesh__Sj[/MENTION] I'm sorry, I don't have picture of the coil from that angle.
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            • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

              Originally posted by Cleaner View Post
              The Ape RR have two versions AFAIK. One without the white connector with red wire, the part number of this one is ED22158 and the part name is REGULATOR, other one with the red wire and white connector is named VOLTAGE REGULATOR and part number is ED33204. The Ape RR Unit costs 1849 rupees the last time I checked, earlier it was around 1100 rupees. The red colored wire with white connector was earlier connected to ammeter to show the battery charge, now-a-days it is connected to a light which glows when the battery is not charging, you can safely ignore this wire or just buy the one without the red wire.
              You can see the pictures of both the RR unit below.

              Ape RR Unit without the red wire (ED22158)


              Ape RR unit with the red wire (ED33204)

              [MENTION=64868]pranav0091[/MENTION] I'm sorry for replying late, I did not receive notification about the post you made, just noticed it when I visited this thread to reply to [MENTION=50338]Yogesh__Sj[/MENTION] I'm sorry, I don't have picture of the coil from that angle.

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              The Ape RR have two versions AFAIK. One without the white connector with red wire, the part number of this one is ED22158 and the part name is REGULATOR, other one with the red wire and white connector is named VOLTAGE REGULATOR and part number is ED33204. The Ape RR Unit costs 1849 rupees the last time I checked, earlier it was around 1100 rupees. The red colored wire with white connector was earlier connected to ammeter to show the battery charge, now-a-days it is connected to a light which glows when the battery is not charging, you can safely ignore this wire or just buy the one without the red wire.
              You can see the pictures of both the RR unit below.

              Ape RR Unit without the red wire (ED22158)


              Ape RR unit with the red wire (ED33204)

              [MENTION=64868]pranav0091[/MENTION] I'm sorry for replying late, I did not receive notification about the post you made, just noticed it when I visited this thread to reply to [MENTION=50338]Yogesh__Sj[/MENTION] I'm sorry, I don't have picture of the coil from that angle.
              Benefits of this rr unit on a stock bike?
              On a pulsar with the avenger coil?
              And how to connect please:P

              divyansh....

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              • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                Originally posted by Divyanshp150 View Post
                Benefits of this rr unit on a stock bike?
                On a pulsar with the avenger coil?
                And how to connect please:P
                IMHO, this coil is not useful with stock Avenger coil. You don't get any benefit of this RR on stock bike if your bike is already full DC. (Post your bike make and model, I'll confirm if it's full DC or not) On AC/SC bike you can use this RR to make the bike full DC, you'll have to float the ground though, and if you are not rewinding the coil, there are cheaper RRs who can do the job (Such as RR of Fazer, Pulsar 150 UG4.5).
                About how to connect, the AC out from the coil should go into the connector with gray wires (do not bother about the polarity as AC current is non polarized) The black wire connects to negative (-) terminal of battery and yellow wire connects to positive (+) terminal of battery.

                On newer Ape RRs (Part number ED33204) you would have another two wires, just ignore them.
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                • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                  Originally posted by Cleaner View Post
                  The Ape RR have two versions AFAIK. One without the white connector with red wire, the part number of this one is ED22158 and the part name is REGULATOR, other one with the red wire and white connector is named VOLTAGE REGULATOR and part number is ED33204. The Ape RR Unit costs 1849 rupees the last time I checked, earlier it was around 1100 rupees. The red colored wire with white connector was earlier connected to ammeter to show the battery charge, now-a-days it is connected to a light which glows when the battery is not charging, you can safely ignore this wire or just buy the one without the red wire.
                  You can see the pictures of both the RR unit below.

                  Ape RR Unit without the red wire (ED22158)


                  Ape RR unit with the red wire (ED33204)

                  @pranav0091 I'm sorry for replying late, I did not receive notification about the post you made, just noticed it when I visited this thread to reply to @Yogesh__Sj I'm sorry, I don't have picture of the coil from that angle.

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                  The Ape RR have two versions AFAIK. One without the white connector with red wire, the part number of this one is ED22158 and the part name is REGULATOR, other one with the red wire and white connector is named VOLTAGE REGULATOR and part number is ED33204. The Ape RR Unit costs 1849 rupees the last time I checked, earlier it was around 1100 rupees. The red colored wire with white connector was earlier connected to ammeter to show the battery charge, now-a-days it is connected to a light which glows when the battery is not charging, you can safely ignore this wire or just buy the one without the red wire.
                  You can see the pictures of both the RR unit below.

                  Ape RR Unit without the red wire (ED22158)


                  Ape RR unit with the red wire (ED33204)

                  @pranav0091 I'm sorry for replying late, I did not receive notification about the post you made, just noticed it when I visited this thread to reply to @Yogesh__Sj I'm sorry, I don't have picture of the coil from that angle.


                  Thank you very much brother , i hope now i can find it in Delhi , i have not got the old rr unit anywhere , i have talked to a dealer in Delhi about it , he is ready to help me in finding the Ape rr unit , i hope now atleast he can find this new rr unit , the price is a little bit on over side , but i will try to manage , but thank you for helping

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                  • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                    Hey guys,
                    I recently got a custom headlight installed on my Duke 200 courtesy of Autologue Designs in Pune.... Pic attached below... It's a dual headlight type, but both lights are aingle halogens... So only the left turns on for low beam and only the right for high beam... Was thinking of upgrading it to a bixenon projector setup so as to use both lights for high and low beam, and to improve illumination...
                    I'm staying in South Mumbai and would really appreciate any advice in this matter... 1) Is the duke stock battery capable of handling a pair of bixenons?
                    2) is there any reason why I shouldn't upgrade to those?
                    3) where about in Mumbai can I get them? and what would be the approx cost for the same?
                    4) is there any particular shop any of you would recommend? And any particular brand? Click image for larger version

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                    • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                      Originally posted by aadilnaik View Post
                      Hey guys,
                      I recently got a custom headlight installed on my Duke 200 courtesy of Autologue Designs in Pune.

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                      So it's your Duke with that awesome headlight. I'd seen the work on Facebook.

                      Why messing up the setup mate.
                      Autologue guys are expert and they must have done an awesome Job.
                      I think you should contact them for this query.
                      Whatever bike and whatever is the setup. No matter normal HID, Single Projector, Bi-Xenon the work done by local guys are not 100% safe.

                      Contact Autologue Guys and I guys they will help you for sure.


                      Off topic : If you don't mind, can you PM me the price for this. The Autologue guys quoted some Price to me. So just wanna check


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                      • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                        Anyone knows where I can gget the following two bulbs?
                        Philips CityVision H4
                        Philips XtremeVision H4
                        Both are specifically for bikes, even though a car version also exists
                        Also, where can I get a H4 socket?

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                        • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                          Can somebody please confirm regarding osram night racer plus 35w bulb? Osram website contains nothing regarding 35w bulb.
                          I saw the packaging in rtr thread but the part number was 64185nrb 01 which is the part number of osram original line.

                          Can somebody please confirm??

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                          • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                            Hello All,

                            I recently bought a RX100 – 1991 model. I would like to know few things from the experts:

                            I am not satisfied with the existing headlight visibility or power. ( I do drive at late evening/night as I stay outskirts, there are hardly any streetlights). I need white light ( Xenon ) can somebody suggest me how to upgrade or what kind of white light fits the existing headlight doom. Any readymade HID kits available online for Yamaha RX 100, which can perfectly fit, without doing any mod to bike.

                            I don't have electrical/wiring knowledge; can the local mechanic install these kits?

                            Thank you for all your suggestions.
                            Kandan.

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                            • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                              Hello all ... any one installed HID kit ...or higher watt rating bulb in discover 125st
                              ... because on the highway i am not satisfy with the headlights of my ST.on local road it is fine but on highways when some cars or trucks are coming from opposite side it is impossible to see the road. Please help me

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                              • Re: Let there be Light : Bike Lighting, HID etc

                                Originally posted by pawan_2161 View Post
                                Hello all ... any one installed HID kit ...or higher watt rating bulb in discover 125st
                                ... because on the highway i am not satisfy with the headlights of my ST.on local road it is fine but on highways when some cars or trucks are coming from opposite side it is impossible to see the road. Please help me

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                                You can't cut through light with more light unfortunately, with other vehicles high beams, misaligned headlights and one low beam on high and the other on low all over the place there's not much you can do, hid's and projectors will not help in this case. The biggest problem is the lack of courtesy and manners on the roads, little you can do against that.
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