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Originally posted by alto
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No i've made no error bro.. And also i do not agree all bajaj bikes are fuel efficient!! Anyways, speaking about zmr, as phanikar said, 220's mileage in not as much as that of zmr's.. BTW, TS: any updates?ZMR- PGMFI re-defined -
Being a FI Bike ZMR will give better Efficiency then P220..but difference will be nominal may be 4-5 Kmpl...Don't Honk UnnecessarilyComment
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4-5 kmpl... isn't a nominal now a day's it's something around 300-350 rs differenceComment
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Assuming, a P220 returns 40kmpl and ZMR returns 45kmpl on an average, Considering Rs.74/l of Petrol,Originally posted by shahbaz63 View Post
The ZMR is using Rs.1.64/km worth of petrol
The P220 is using Rs.1.85/km worth of petrol
So, ZMR is saving 21 Paise/km in petrol costs. SO it saves Rs. 350 every (350/0.21 = ) 1667km.
Given the ZMR costs a good 20-25k more than a P220, (considering 21k for the sake of simplicity) to break-even the costs while saving Rs.0.21/km the ZMR and P220 will have to run roughly 1 lac km (1,00,000 km). Anything less than that, and the P220 turns out cheaper (to buy and run).
And hence, I rest my case.
P.S.: For those 1 lac km, if you opt for ZMR, you get a smoother engine. If you opt for a P220, you get better horsepower, better braking, fatter tyres and better lighting. I guess you know what I opted for.
P.P.S.: I have not yet considered the cheaper priced but equally durable 'common replacement spares' (like air filter, brake pads, fairings) of the Pulsar and the poorer spares availability of the ZMR.Advice is a form of nostalgia.
Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.
Antz Travelz!! | South India Exploration Ride | Leh Triplog (Work in progress)Comment
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Antz ^ I have just said the petrol factor, for anybody 4-5kp/l difference isn't a nominal .. that was the only point ...
Anyways,
wondering if ZMR can actually return 45kp/l & even P220 40kp/l in general ??? do they, to be very very very honest ?Last edited by shahbaz63; 01-07-2013, 04:57 PM.Comment
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Don't know about ZMR, but P220 can return 40kmpl easy peasy. Especially in the city.Originally posted by shahbaz63 View Post
On the highways, it is more a function of the speeds you maintain. The faster you go, the lower the FE gets, but its best at 75-80 kmph for P220 which will easily give you 45-47kmpl (even 50+ in some cases) if you go along at a constant speed between 75-80 kmph on a flat road.Advice is a form of nostalgia.
Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.
Antz Travelz!! | South India Exploration Ride | Leh Triplog (Work in progress)Comment
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Yes, ZMR does deliver upto 44 kmpl for me. Maybe for even sedate riders, it may deliver more.
Nobody buys these bikes for mileage!
Plz visit the P220 and ZMA threads. You'll find Antz mention that he got as high as 56 kmpl on his P220 and Ashwin get 45 kmpl under hard ripping on his ZMA.
When I rip my bike hard, I get 37-39 kmpl, else 42-44 kmpl in city.
On the highways, maintain 70 kmph and you get 47-50 kmpl on ZMR. I usually maintain 90 +, hence I get 43-44 kmpl on highways as well.Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
Because everyone who passes, isn't a martyr!
Bullet Service Guide CBR 250R Parts Manual Fz16 service manual - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1-...VFQmJzakk/view
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I don't think kmpls matters here while choosing any one from these 220cc+ bikes ??
INMO
1. Power
2. Brand
3. Features
4. Performance is what matters here.
5. Price
Somewhere still people go by brand names too.Comment
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Just to spice up the discussion, 3 ZMR's during few rides, One Goa, Two chikmagalur, and one Thekkady rides, "CONSISTENTLY" gave 50KMPL, cruising at 100Kmph most of the times. Best was 55 on a 2009-10 ZMR. We tried interchanging the rides to see if any change of riding skills affects the mileage, it stood rock steady at 50kmpl. All the 3 quoted ZMRs give anywhere above 45Kmpl even in city. For FE factor during touring ZMR hits a bulls eye, the only disgusting thing is that "Busa" fairing.
P.S: This is no imaginative quoting of FEs or not stolen from any Ownership threads.Comment
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But the question is now, after reading this thread , how one can justify Price of Karizma over P220 ? Why such a difference ?
Its still confusing :PComment
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Brand Value and dont forget the steamer (useless)fairing which take the bulk of the costing :P Forget ZMR(*If* you were refering to pricing of ZMR) , Karizma-R is more expensive than the P220, inspite of P220 having Dual Disc, a stronger frame and Fibre parts, broader tyres and good stock lighting. Also the spares are more expensive than the P220. The only thing where the Karizma scores over P220 is the bullet proof Engine.Originally posted by shahbaz63 View Post
P.S: The above statement is based on personal experience/ownership of Bajaj and HH products over the years. No "My friend told this" "my uncle told that" stories.
P.S.S: You also a get a clock on the tacho cluster in the ZMA-R/ZMR, which is absent in P220 :PComment
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One can justify obviously the difference in price between a zmr and a zma-r. The fairing, console, grs shocks, dual discs, split handle bar, fi, various sensors, etc etc. But even i have given enough thought as to why the previous karizma costs higher than the p220?? Only for the top-quality engine?ZMR- PGMFI re-definedComment
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I again Say Both ZMA R & 220 are old techno Bikes & new buyer should chose between ZMR & P200ns ...Don't Honk UnnecessarilyComment
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