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  • Originally posted by indrajit_plsr180 View Post
    May I know the reason for u concluding that P180 cannot go above 120 ?
    and if at all it goes , then its a speedo error !!!!!hmm hmm

    I mean why wd a properly maintained bike suddenly start givng a speedo error at high speeds.

    Marginal precision error is always present in any instrument buddy.But, never will a instrument magnify that error to have such big difference in the readings.
    I might not own a P180 but this post is regarding speedo error in general.
    Stock speedometer calibration in motorcycles direct from the manufacturer can read 2-10% fast.
    There is no point discussing what is the actual speed unless we have data through a speed gun or other reliable sources.
    Apart from the speedometer, errors can come due to transmission changes, wheel and tyre changes can also add to the error.
    Just because you haven't seen it doesnt mean its impossible...expect the unexpected.

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    • Originally posted by indrajit_plsr180 View Post
      May I know the reason for u concluding that P180 cannot go above 120 ?
      and if at all it goes , then its a speedo error !!!!!hmm hmm

      I mean why wd a properly maintained bike suddenly start givng a speedo error at high speeds.

      Marginal precision error is always present in any instrument buddy.But, never will a instrument magnify that error to have such big difference in the readings.
      Originally posted by himanshumm View Post
      + 180 to indrajit..

      Many of us has heard of speedo error in Bajaj / Yamaha / HH etc.. but mind it these speedo are QC tested meters.. at some sample basis. these may be 100% correct but can not 0% trust worthy.. as if there could be any error it would be a marginal error in meter say by 5-6 kmph.. so actual top speed accrued should consider -4 or -5 to it so as to get approximate Top speed
      + 1
      Finally we are getting somewhere
      Error is there but it's constant.

      Read this thoroughly if you want to understand what's wrong with speed reading :

      Assume this if you are riding at 120 on speed gun and your speedo meter is adding lets say 7 kms means it's showing 127...summary is that it's always going to show 127 (if actual is 120) not the 130, or any fcuking random thing...once we know that constant we can calculate actual speed..

      How does the speed get calculated ?
      This thing runs on pulse technology not on ancient magnetic wheel (seen in autos)...in this technology pulses are created at front wheel as it rotates...more rotations per second more are the pulse...than these pulses are counted inside speedo circuit and we get to see the speed on speedometer...its important to understand that this technology is working on pulse basis and not on the voltage basis.

      Then where is the error coming from ?
      To understand this we will have to consider an example...
      suppose front wheel creates 3 pulse per second at actual speed 20 kph
      so speedo calculates the speed like : 3 x 6.66 = 19.98 (rounding to 20)
      and at 4 pulses per second : 4 x 6.66 = 26.64 ( rounding to 27)
      so if u drive at any speed in between 20 and 26 it's always going to create 3 pulses only but after 26 kph it will be creating 4 pulses...
      meaning speedo will show 20 kph for any speed in between 20 to 26 kph and so forth...
      This example has assumed values but above scenario is true and that's where the error is coming from....in reality pulses count is greater than speed number meaning at the speed of 20 there must be more than 30 -40 pulses are getting created....
      If in future if those pulses are increased by the company then we will have more precise reading almost perfect like 99.99% but it never will be 100%...its the limit of technology...
      If you had studied the calculus > limits in school then you can easily understand what I'm saying

      Then if there's error problem with Digital Speedos then why the hell are we using them?
      its simple because they are maintenance free and produce consistent result...for example if new bike is showing 130 at actual speed of 120 same bike or same model even after 20 is going to show same 130 reading at actual speed of 120...
      So this little drawback of speed error is compensated with hug advantage it comes with...

      God bless those who simply can't accept P180 going beyond 120 or are doing false accusation of well maintained bike
      and also those retarded who blames Bajaj for this error and simply can't see that error comes with technology and not with the company
      Last edited by lockhrt999; 04-22-2010, 11:25 PM.
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      • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
        + 1
        Finally we are getting somewhere
        Error is there but it's constant.

        Read this thoroughly if you want to understand what's wrong with speed reading :

        Assume this if you are riding at 120 on speed gun............
        That was very informative.

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        • Originally posted by indrajit_plsr180 View Post
          May I know the reason for u concluding that P180 cannot go above 120 ?
          and if at all it goes , then its a speedo error !!!!!hmm hmm
          Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post

          God bless those who simply can't accept P180 going beyond 120 or are doing false accusation of well maintained bike
          and also those retarded who blames Bajaj for this error and simply can't see that error comes with technology and not with the company


          please have a look at the top speed of the Bajaj Pulsar 180 dtsi on this link(from the bajaj website).

          Last edited by revtech; 04-23-2010, 12:55 AM.

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          • Originally posted by revtech View Post
            please have a look at the top speed of the Bajaj Pulsar 180 dtsi on this link(from the bajaj website).

            Bajaj
            I finalized my decision of buying this P180 after reading those reviews last year ...
            anyway thanks because now I can fix confused links

            Bingo

            I found that error constant that I was talking about thanks to revtech and autocar who has provided speedo and true speeds
            speedo/true

            80/74
            100/93
            120/111

            if we divide them we get 1.081, 1.075 and 1.081 respectively..and now approximating them (1.081 + 1.075 + 1.081) / 3 = 1.079

            So constant is 1.079

            How to calculate actual speed?

            simple just divide speedo speed by our constant 1.079
            my bike has attained speed of 131 on speedo so the actual speed will be 131 / 1.079 = 121.4 kph
            I think 121.4 value is greater than 120
            this 131 wasn't the highest speed on my bike because next moment I ran into traffic signal
            I know somebody who had attained 137 on P180

            These auto reviews are not reliable

            only the speedo/true speed thing is reliable because I told you speedo are consistent

            they are not reliable because :
            1. new engines can't go to at its most (tell me if I'm wrong)...newly bought bikes struggle to reach 10k or 11k RPM...which explains why autocar is showing highest speedo speed 120 but my bike can go to 131.
            2. City economy according to autocar is 43.3 and according to zigwheel it's 66...whom to believe?
            and many other
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            • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
              I finalized my decision of buying this P180 after reading those reviews last year ...
              anyway thanks because now I can fix confused links

              Bingo

              I found that error constant that I was talking about thanks to revtech and autocar who has provided speedo and true speeds
              speedo/true

              80/74
              100/93
              120/111

              if we divide them we get 1.081, 1.075 and 1.081 respectively..and now approximating them (1.081 + 1.075 + 1.081) / 3 = 1.079

              So constant is 1.079

              How to calculate actual speed?

              simple just divide speedo speed by our constant 1.079
              my bike has attained speed of 131 on speedo so the actual speed will be 131 / 1.079 = 121.4 kph
              I think 121.4 value is greater than 120
              this 131 wasn't the highest speed on my bike because next moment I ran into traffic signal
              I know somebody who had attained 137 on P180

              These auto reviews are not reliable

              only the speedo/true speed thing is reliable because I told you speedo are consistent

              they are not reliable because :
              1. new engines can't go to at its most (tell me if I'm wrong)...newly bought bikes struggle to reach 10k or 11k RPM...which explains why autocar is showing highest speedo speed 120 but my bike can go to 131.
              2. City economy according to autocar is 43.3 and according to zigwheel it's 66...whom to believe?
              and many other

              I agree with u buddy..! ur info sounds credible enuf to beliv...!

              These auto reviews are DEFINITELY not reliable ..and i feel they are always biased, more towards honda or yamaha bikes.. dont know wht animosity they share with Bajaj...?

              But, True, Pulsar180 is capable of crossing 135 on speedo atleast..!
              Even Pulsar owners will not agree coz most them go by the reviews and comparisons found on blogs..!thus ,mostly underestimating/disrespecting my beloved Pulsars.!

              U've got to be skilled in ripping ur bikes and more so, u shd be able to feel/understand ur bikes...and Beliv me not everyone can do so..!

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              • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                + 1
                and also those retarded who blames Bajaj for this error and simply can't see that error comes with technology and not with the company

                Very well said..!

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                • Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post
                  + 1
                  Finally we are getting somewhere
                  Error is there but it's constant.

                  Read this thoroughly if you want to understand what's wrong with speed reading :

                  Assume this if you are riding at 120 on speed gun and your speedo meter is adding lets say 7 kms means it's showing 127...summary is that it's always going to show 127 (if actual is 120) not the 130, or any fcuking random thing...once we know that constant we can calculate actual speed..

                  How does the speed get calculated ?
                  This thing runs on pulse technology not on ancient magnetic wheel (seen in autos)...in this technology pulses are created at front wheel as it rotates...more rotations per second more are the pulse...than these pulses are counted inside speedo circuit and we get to see the speed on speedometer...its important to understand that this technology is working on pulse basis and not on the voltage basis.

                  Then where is the error coming from ?
                  To understand this we will have to consider an example...
                  suppose front wheel creates 3 pulse per second at actual speed 20 kph
                  so speedo calculates the speed like : 3 x 6.66 = 19.98 (rounding to 20)
                  and at 4 pulses per second : 4 x 6.66 = 26.64 ( rounding to 27)
                  so if u drive at any speed in between 20 and 26 it's always going to create 3 pulses only but after 26 kph it will be creating 4 pulses...
                  meaning speedo will show 20 kph for any speed in between 20 to 26 kph and so forth...
                  This example has assumed values but above scenario is true and that's where the error is coming from....in reality pulses count is greater than speed number meaning at the speed of 20 there must be more than 30 -40 pulses are getting created....
                  If in future if those pulses are increased by the company then we will have more precise reading almost perfect like 99.99% but it never will be 100%...its the limit of technology...
                  If you had studied the calculus > limits in school then you can easily understand what I'm saying

                  Then if there's error problem with Digital Speedos then why the hell are we using them?
                  its simple because they are maintenance free and produce consistent result...for example if new bike is showing 130 at actual speed of 120 same bike or same model even after 20 is going to show same 130 reading at actual speed of 120...
                  So this little drawback of speed error is compensated with hug advantage it comes with...

                  God bless those who simply can't accept P180 going beyond 120 or are doing false accusation of well maintained bike
                  and also those retarded who blames Bajaj for this error and simply can't see that error comes with technology and not with the company
                  No Body is Blaming Bajaj Bro ... So chill...And We know u have got fastest Pulsar among all ...
                  Cheers..
                  &
                  Thanks for all tht info...
                  Like kurt say, 'the sun is gone, but i have the light' ...
                  ..
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                  • Originally posted by indrajit_plsr180 View Post
                    I agree with u buddy..! ur info sounds credible enuf to beliv...!

                    These auto reviews are DEFINITELY not reliable ..and i feel they are always biased, more towards honda or yamaha bikes.. dont know wht animosity they share with Bajaj...?

                    But, True, Pulsar180 is capable of crossing 135 on speedo atleast..!
                    Even Pulsar owners will not agree coz most them go by the reviews and comparisons found on blogs..!thus ,mostly underestimating/disrespecting my beloved Pulsars.!

                    U've got to be skilled in ripping ur bikes and more so, u shd be able to feel/understand ur bikes...and Beliv me not everyone can do so..!

                    i thought the person writing the article was a respected member on xbhp. but since your saying his word is not to be taken seriously im sure you have your reasons."auto reviews are DEFINITELY not reliable" im just going to laugh to that.being biased is one thing but not reliable..LOL

                    180 capable of crossing 135 Kmph on the speedo is not true speed.im trying to say the true speed cannot be more than 120.you can cross 150 on a badly calibrated speed with a change in tyre size etc but it is not true speed.

                    im sure you have more skill than the people who test ride the bikes for top speed in near perfect conditions on track. i dont think they can feel/understand the bike like you do.

                    Originally posted by BORN FREE View Post
                    No Body is Blaming Bajaj Bro ... So chill...And We know u have got fastest Pulsar among all ...
                    Cheers..
                    &
                    Thanks for all tht info...
                    cheers to that

                    Originally posted by lockhrt999 View Post


                    How to calculate actual speed?

                    simple just divide speedo speed by our constant 1.079
                    my bike has attained speed of 131 on speedo so the actual speed will be 131 / 1.079 = 121.4 kph

                    they are not reliable because :
                    1. new engines can't go to at its most (tell me if I'm wrong)...newly bought bikes struggle to reach 10k or 11k RPM...which explains why autocar is showing highest speedo speed 120 but my bike can go to 131.
                    2. City economy according to autocar is 43.3 and according to zigwheel it's 66...whom to believe?
                    and many other
                    120 sounds about right.may go faster if
                    you weigh less than 50 Kgs,
                    going downhill
                    nill wind conditions
                    higher tire pressure

                    when you say newly bought what do you mean.after run in i redlined my bike way into the 10k range

                    economy figure off 66 is obiously incorrect.unless they confused it with the 150


                    im not here to argue with any one.im just trying to point out that you may hit a 150 plus on the speedo but true speed cannot be more than 120-125ish
                    Last edited by revtech; 04-23-2010, 05:15 PM.

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                    • @revtech: Let us not drag any names into this please!
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                      • Originally posted by Sunny View Post
                        @revtech: Let us not drag any names into this please!

                        edited.
                        no disrespect to any one.

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                        • Speed WAR should be finished now guys, For those who believe's that true top speed is more than 120kmph, let it be. and same for other group of guys who does'nt believe in it, like me.

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                          • all those who own 180 dtsi please open your owners manual to page 2 and take note of the top speed of the bike printed by bajaj.

                            or wait is that UNRELIABLE as well ?

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                            • Guys can we hold on this, no offense to any one...

                              Please change the topic...

                              @Abhi teri saari problem solve ho gayi kya ya teri bike mein aur koi new problem nahin aa rahi please place the concern or any problem immediatley on this thread so as to "Move On" ...
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                              • Originally posted by revtech View Post
                                all those who own 180 dtsi please open your owners manual to page 2 and take note of the top speed of the bike printed by bajaj.

                                or wait is that UNRELIABLE as well ?
                                You are probably talking about old Manuals, New/UG4 manuals are not provided with top speeds.

                                Originally posted by himanshumm View Post
                                Guys can we hold on this, no offense to any one...

                                Please change the topic...

                                @Abhi teri saari problem solve ho gayi kya ya teri bike mein aur koi new problem nahin aa rahi please place the concern or any problem immediatley on this thread so as to "Move On" ...
                                Abhi tau gaadi theek chal rahi hai, ek problem thi, I mentioned it here that my bike was not starting when in neutral. Yeh problem neutral switch change karne ke baad gayab ho gayi.
                                Untill my good times turns upside down, Lets hope that there are not any problems.

                                And yes, I will mention each and every problem that i face here on this thread, no matter if it is small or ... you know??

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