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**itssaurabh.negi** · 08-12-2012, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by ekm-biker View Post

@ itssaurabh.negi
All 4 times I opened the spark plug and saw the plug is wet with petrol. But it can be ,with out firing we have cranked many times.

For me once it happened when i had 100 km ride and i stopped for a quick tea brake.and after 10 mins it refused to start. next day morning it ran for around 300-400 mts and then again it chocked and didnt start.tried push start but no effect.finally found a slope and then only i managed it to start that too at the end of the road,

Can u tell whats that ENGINER OVER thing... i m told that i shouldnt keep my fuel in ON position when i'm not riding.

Originally posted by hesathursday View Post

Yeah. it the push and start method as well takes several attempts and it is seriously embarrassing pushing a new bike on the street

and yeah i went to the service center. The mechanic could find no difficult in the bike. I wonder what your fren told u is true..

Did u go to any service center?

No not yet....

**sibun** · 08-12-2012, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by ekm-biker View Post

A bolt from the blue . It happened 4 times for me.Nearing 17 k on odo and 1 year old . Can not predict when it is going to happen . But after starting no problems for thousands of km.It happens when we least expect.Being an engineer applied all my logic but alas! I can not place it. Will wait and see .
@ itssaurabh.negi
All 4 times I opened the spark plug and saw the plug is wet with petrol. But it can be ,with out firing we have cranked many times.

Originally posted by hesathursday View Post

Yeah. it the push and start method as well takes several attempts and it is seriously embarrassing pushing a new bike on the street

and yeah i went to the service center. The mechanic could find no difficult in the bike. I wonder what your fren told u is true..

Did u go to any service center?

Originally posted by itssaurabh.negi View Post

For me once it happened when i had 100 km ride and i stopped for a quick tea brake.and after 10 mins it refused to start. next day morning it ran for around 300-400 mts and then again it chocked and didnt start.tried push start but no effect.finally found a slope and then only i managed it to start that too at the end of the road,

Can u tell whats that ENGINER OVER thing... i m told that i shouldnt keep my fuel in ON position when i'm not riding.

No not yet....

Usually it happens when spark plug is defective. The plug cannot fire and thus petrol gets deposited in spark plug. Due to repeated cranking the engine is flooded with petrol. When you get this problem be sure that plug is gone.
This can happen if you are running with rich mixture or a clogged air filter. Never run your engine with rich mixture. this engine is tuned to run lean and running rich will cause unwanted problem.
When the engine fails to start then no need of push starting. Do a simple thing. Just open the throttle full and crank. By opening throttle full the engine with get more air and will burn all the excess petrol in engine.

**itssaurabh.negi** · 08-12-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by sibun View Post

Usually it happens when spark plug is defective. The plug cannot fire and thus petrol gets deposited in spark plug. Due to repeated cranking the engine is flooded with petrol. When you get this problem be sure that plug is gone.
I havent checkd my plug,will do it soon and clean it if required. What is the lifetime of a sparkplug and how can i know whether its gone or what ?

This can happen if you are running with rich mixture or a clogged air filter. Never run your engine with rich mixture. this engine is tuned to run lean and running rich will cause unwanted problem.
Is that so ??

When the engine fails to start then no need of push starting. Do a simple thing. Just open the throttle full and crank. By opening throttle full the engine with get more air and will burn all the excess petrol in engine.

Will try it next time,i hope it wont happen again :P

**hesathursday** · 08-12-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by sibun View Post

Usually it happens when spark plug is defective. The plug cannot fire and thus petrol gets deposited in spark plug. Due to repeated cranking the engine is flooded with petrol. When you get this problem be sure that plug is gone.
This can happen if you are running with rich mixture or a clogged air filter. Never run your engine with rich mixture. this engine is tuned to run lean and running rich will cause unwanted problem.
When the engine fails to start then no need of push starting. Do a simple thing. Just open the throttle full and crank. By opening throttle full the engine with get more air and will burn all the excess petrol in engine.

Yeah, thanx for the suggestion. But seriously how do i know if the life of a spark plug? and can you please tell me what do u mean by opening the throttle full and cranking???
Sorry didn't understand these terms.

Thank you.

**itssaurabh.negi** · 08-12-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by hesathursday View Post

Yeah, thanx for the suggestion. But seriously how do i know if the life of a spark plug? and can you please tell me what do u mean by opening the throttle full and cranking???
Sorry didn't understand these terms.

Thank you.

opening the throttle full and cranking mean twisting the accelerator to the full and then pressing ignition switch..
But i doubt whether it will allow more AIR to flow or More FUEL ..

Someone plz clearify!!!

**ekm-biker** · 08-12-2012, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by sibun View Post

Usually it happens when spark plug is defective. The plug cannot fire and thus petrol gets deposited in spark plug. Due to repeated cranking the engine is flooded with petrol. When you get this problem be sure that plug is gone.
This can happen if you are running with rich mixture or a clogged air filter. Never run your engine with rich mixture. this engine is tuned to run lean and running rich will cause unwanted problem.
When the engine fails to start then no need of push starting. Do a simple thing. Just open the throttle full and crank. By opening throttle full the engine with get more air and will burn all the excess petrol in engine.

All pointers are negative 1) when last time it happened to me, My spark plug was new run ~ 500 km only .After that bike is running ok for the last 1500 km as on today.
2)even now I get around 60 kms/ltr.at about 55 to 65 km speed.and spark plug colour is optimal.
Air filter is also new run ~ 500 kms.

What I did for last three times to start is continuous cranking with full throttle till it starts.slowly it starts to fire and then every thing is O.K.

A small thought came to my mind just now .May -- may be the out put valve did not open at that moment. a rare chance is there no..?

**ashwin.terminator** · 08-12-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by BloggingWheels View Post

For a better insight, do a self check on the following lines:

Phase 1: DURING ENGINE STARTUP - As you push the self-start button, during the engine crank (start) stage, is there any ringing sound?
Phase 2: DURING IDLING: check for the sound here also.
Phase 3: REVVING UP IN NEUTRAL (BEFORE RIDING) - any ringing sound, at ANY specific RPMs?
Phase 4: During riding sound is audible in which RPM?
Phase 5: Finish the 'checkup'

If most of the above observations cannot find a ringing sound, then there might be some loose metal contact somewhere in your Hunk.
P.S. Sometimes a puny tingling/ringing sound can come from a heated exhaust too! It is due to a baffle/two which gets detached inside.

Phase 1: No
Phase 2: No, until I ridden around a fair bit.
Phase 3: Not at all
Phase 4: Throughout the RPM range. All the way from idling to cruising around at 4K RPM and beyond.
Phase 5: Done!

It's definitely not the Exhaust sound, ie. If you are talking about the 'Tak-Tak' sound from the exhaust due to uneven expansion of the metals in the silencer, it's definitely not that. It's something else.

Originally posted by BloggingWheels View Post

I also thought that the chain covers can be opened and dismounted without wheel removal. I have done it in many bikes which have chain covers. But with this Hunk, it seems I'm trapped!!
Bro, it is not that I am not able to open the cover. I am but cannot 'dismount' it, i.e. it is stuck in the maze of the rear tyre, the left shock absorber, the saree guard and at the bottom - the swing-arm. Cannot seem to take it out of the zone. (Within that zone), I can just lift it or slide it sideways (just a little), but not take it out. There are just 2 10mm bolts on the cover to open. 2 on the upper and 2 on below. 4 bolts holding the entire chain cover assembly. No other bolts.

Yup, it just won't come off without getting rid of the rear wheel.

**sibun** · 08-12-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by ekm-biker View Post

All pointers are negative 1) when last time it happened to me, My spark plug was new run ~ 500 km only .After that bike is running ok for the last 1500 km as on today.
2)even now I get around 60 kms/ltr.at about 55 to 65 km speed.and spark plug colour is optimal.
Air filter is also new run ~ 500 kms.

What I did for last three times to start is continuous cranking with full throttle till it starts.slowly it starts to fire and then every thing is O.K.

A small thought came to my mind just now .May -- may be the out put valve did not open at that moment. a rare chance is there no..?

I didn't tell that these are necessary conditions for the problem to occur. Sometimes this problem may occur out of blue.
Ok try to add IFTEX system P or system 23 and run for some time. This has been quite beneficial to my bikes. IFTEX do a lot of difference and also increases smoothness. Visit their website to know more.

**vickul** · 08-12-2012, 09:23 PM

@sibun,
the iftex additive you have mentioned is engine oil additive or petrol additive?

where can i buy in bbsr..and plz mention its cost and usage....

btw i am purchasing my xtreme this monday ..

anything to check while purchasing new bike?

**sibun** · 08-12-2012, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by vickul View Post

@sibun,
the iftex additive you have mentioned is engine oil additive or petrol additive?

where can i buy in bbsr..and plz mention its cost and usage....

btw i am purchasing my xtreme this monday ..

anything to check while purchasing new bike?

Are you from bhubaneswar and from where are you buying extreme?

**vickul** · 08-12-2012, 10:05 PM

i am buying from rohan autoriders ..as it is close to my house..

and yes i live in bhubaneswar.

**sibun** · 08-12-2012, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by vickul View Post

i am buying from rohan autoriders ..as it is close to my house..

Ok, i also got my bike from rohan auto riders. They know me very well and if they give any waiting period or any problem then just tell me.
Ok check list for new bikes:-
1. Check the visor that the plastic cover is not stuck.If it is stuck then pull it out and just see no part is stuck. If stuck change the visor.
2. Check for scratches.
3. Check the bike. Since it is rainy season, it will be dirty but they will wash it.
4. Go to the showroom at 9 in the morning so that they will be free and you will get more time.
Regarding run-in i will let you know tomorrow.
The additive is petrol additive and i will tell you where you will get but first get the bike. If you want engine oil at discount then contact me as my friend is a retailer of hero honda, bajaj and TVS spares.Also if any of your friends require shell fully synthetic oil of 10W 40 grade then contact me, MRP is Rs.750 and i will get it in Rs.650.

**vickul** · 08-12-2012, 10:22 PM

thanks,

will keep these points in mind while purchasing...

and will surely inform you if i need any help..

will post after i get the delivery of my bike....

btw, is the current batch of xtreme\hunk having valve problems?

**itssaurabh.negi** · 08-12-2012, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by ekm-biker View Post

All pointers are negative 1) when last time it happened to me, My spark plug was new run ~ 500 km only .After that bike is running ok for the last 1500 km as on today.
2)even now I get around 60 kms/ltr.at about 55 to 65 km speed.and spark plug colour is optimal.
Air filter is also new run ~ 500 kms.

What I did for last three times to start is continuous cranking with full throttle till it starts.slowly it starts to fire and then every thing is O.K.

A small thought came to my mind just now .May -- may be the out put valve did not open at that moment. a rare chance is there no..?

Do let us know if u get the reason behind it sir ji!! btw how frequently we need to change spark plug/Airfilter ??

**hesathursday** · 08-12-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by ekm-biker View Post

All pointers are negative 1) when last time it happened to me, My spark plug was new run ~ 500 km only .After that bike is running ok for the last 1500 km as on today.
2)even now I get around 60 kms/ltr.at about 55 to 65 km speed.and spark plug colour is optimal.
Air filter is also new run ~ 500 kms.

What I did for last three times to start is continuous cranking with full throttle till it starts.slowly it starts to fire and then every thing is O.K.

A small thought came to my mind just now .May -- may be the out put valve did not open at that moment. a rare chance is there no..?

Dude, are you telling u get 60km/ltr?? which bike do u rife???
Well my xtreme gives me max 38km/ltr .... how can i make it more pocket friendly? any tips?

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