Dear friends Did a research of Honda design factors for electrical systems of our bikes. As In the name of Mod and DIY.many people are telling&doing many things

By learning from the authentic data. I have changed My bulb to 55/60w (a Maruthi car bulb)with out any modification . And the results are very very good in terms of light.Night testing also done for half an hour and I am happy at it.Tomorrow morning I am Going to Bangalore from Ernakulam at 4 am i.e. two hours night ride.
Those of you who are interested can see the relevant pages up loaded as thumbnails. click it and enlarge in windows.to read.

You can see from the designs that only voltage is regulated and current is limited by the load and capacity of the alternator.

I will test this for some time and report any draw backs that may develop.

I showed the bike to a new SC and the mech said the chain sprocket set needs to be changed along with the chain - lately its been extremely hard to downshift even at the correct speed - i had to put some effort on the lever to make it down shift - when i do this it makes this noise like i am shifting to a lower gear at high speeds even though i do it at the correct speed only and even up shifting is kinda tough - overall it feels like old pulsar gear shift but without the false neutrals .

Is this mech right about changing sprocket set ? cause i think the OE kit along with the chain costs like Rs 1000 .

Also he said the rear brake pads needs to be replaced needs to be replaced too but i dont mind changing it as the ask pads offer good bite compared to stock and costs only Rs 95 here .

@sinbun on a earlier post you specifically said to go for DIAMOND or ROLON chain sets only - tried googling for their distributor but couldnt find them - i will try to ask in the local spare parts shops but i wont be able to tell if they a are genuine or not -can you help me in this regard ? thank you.

The RR will never send 11 amps to the battery. The current supplied will depend on the load and not on supply.
I fully agree with you. The RR will easily take the load, as from what i deduce the current pumped by the alternator needs to find a way for consumption.If the current is not consumed then it is also not supplied. No RR unit limits current except they cap the voltage.
In other bikes usually the magnet is designed in such a way that the alternator barely fulfills the load requirement. But in KARIZMA, new EXTREME and HUNK the alternator is designed such that they pump more power than required. So i fully believe that 60/55 watt can run without problem.
But in my post i was trying to tell others how to easily change into DC without fiddling with original coil or wiring.
And in EXTREME after 2k Rpm the alternator pumps full 140 watt unlike in some bikes at 4.5 k rpm.
Yes, diamond are best in chain kit. You can get it in CHENNAI or else you can call their regional office and ask them where you can get in your place.
TIDC India - Contact Us - Regional Office
From the above URL you can get all data.
And regarding rear brake shoe, whenever you change new chain kit or even cut the chain you need to change brake shoe if it is half worn.
Do not go for OE as they are useless. Instead use ASK.
And your post regarding stopping of counter sales of parts, it is all bullshit.
I will tell you the insider information.
My friend has a retailer spares shop of hero honda and he buys parts from distributor at a discount of 15% from distributor.
So your SVC will be making huge profits in selling of spares. Also your service center charges exorbitant charges on changing of spares.
I had gone for free service of my bike and some of labour charges are:-
Accelerator cable change- Rs. 40
Clutch cable change- Rs.38.
If i do not get time then i leave my bike with my mechanic and he changes the cable for free.
These are some examples. I can change both the above in 5 mins even in dark on the side of road in mid night.
So most SVC follow the same principle to loot the customers.
If you had been nearby even 1000 kms distance from me i would have couriered you all the parts.

@ sibun

Yesterday, I tried the following thing -
set the idle RPM to 2.5K
swithched on the low beam
pressed the pass switch.
then both filaments were glowing at full power. ie, drawing 70W.

At that time, RPM dropped to 2K. it was back to 2.5K as soon as i released the pass switch.
What does this indicate..? When it is drawing 70W, the CDI must be recieving lesser power, right..? then how can we use a 60W bulb..?
(Pardon me if i m being stupid )

Thats all i need - i will call them tomorrow and ask for their distributor - do i have to tell them the part number or they will recognize the chain if just say cbz Xtreme ? .

I changed to ASK pads (they gave me splendor pads) only on your advise and like you said the grip is way better than stock and completely worth every penny .

I dont even know how to remove the front wheel in my xtreme - so like you rightly pointed out i have been robbed like crazy by SVC and local mechs alike - but thats all about to change - just now got myself some basic tools like the following :

ring spanner :

1) 30 X 32

2) 20 X 22

3) 12 X 13

T spanner : 8 and 10

It cost me Rs 487 for all the above but now i intend to change the oil /clean the oil filter/centrifuge filter/service the wheels myself .I i run into any trouble i will bug you all .

I dont doubt it one bit - from your detailed posts i can see you really care about the plight of noobs that prowl this forum .

btw bought a can of WAXPOL from this dealer in the next town after seeing your joy .

Can our 4amps battery take all the load of HIDs/Halogens without coil rewinding? I am a bit confused. Please help guys. Even I am desperate to improve the lighting on my 2012 Hunk.

I accidently found this while googling ...people in chennai i think this looks like the SC of my dream :

V Care Bikes

they strip every bike to the last bolt and rebuild it by using some special grease or something.....and you need to be with the bike at all times .....but they charge a bomb....like 1.5k+ for their service .

how come no one in chennai knew about this place here....damn i spent so much money on setting the tappet i could have solved it all if i had gone to this place instead of castrol bike zone .

going to fix a appointment with them and see what they say about my bore....looking at all that certification and stuff i believe they must at least be more competent than the hh mechs.

this looks like the best option in front of me right now....satson /psr any of the gurus here heard of this place ?

this is old but this is all the review i found on google :

"V Care Bikes" - Way better than Authorised service centers - Team-BHP

if they can rebuild my engine like new then i wont mind spending a little extra if they can make my bike like new .

Surely it can.I m running on stock wiring/battery with 35W HID.But i have removed 10W (Front parking/Number Plate light bulb).Im using LED strips instead.drawing hardly 2-3 watts. But one thing i must tell u that my starter relay has gone kaput 3 times. first tym before i installed HID and 2 tymes after that. Other members are also reporting the same. So it can be due to somethng else. Battery never discharges. using it from 5-6 months.


I dont find my rear brakes usefull at all. they are almost dead.12K on odo.what is the lifetime of brake pads and do u feel its better than what we have as stock ??

wow your pads last that much ? mine lasts for like 8-9 K only - this time the ASK pads lasted for less than 6k but i am not complaining as the bite even today is quite sharp but going to change it anyway .

never expected this but just now the SC in kanchepuram called me - the guy sounded like he is the owner or something - i told him they refused to sell the spare parts thats why i wqas forced to complain - he politely told me he will call after 15 mins - wow never expected this - dont know if they will give the spares but let me wait and update .

Like i said extreme/hunk has a alternator like cars. After 2k rpm the alternator takes all the load up from battery. So when you are idling at 2.5k rpm all the power was from alternator. When you pushed the pass light the alternator gets loaded and thus rpm decreased. When you released the pass light again the load decreased and the rpm increased.
Now the question is only a load of 35 watt how can decrease idling by 500 rpm?
OK now let me explain this. When your engine was running at 2.5k rpm there was no load so when you loaded the alternator it decreased the RPM. Because when your engine was running without any load very slight accelerator is opened to maintain the 2.5k rpm. So engine is getting very less fuel mixture and thus producing less power to maintain the rpm.
But when you are running on the road at 2.5k rpm the engine will be carrying much more load like bike weights and your weights and others factors.
So at that time this 35 watts extra will not effect in any way on the engine.
In a layman point of view:-
You are walking on road. Suppose any one gives you 20 kg bag to carry. Automatically you will slow down. But when you are carrying 500 kg on a trolley and when somebody puts the same 20 kg bag on you then you do not feel much difference. Similar things happens here at idling engine has no load so RPM reduced but when running on road rpm doesn't decreases.
I do not recommend the garage.Its no use of opening everything when all others are working like perfect. You want your bike to be perfect, then just ask me and i will help you. A good mechanic is one who correctly diagnose a problem and solve it.A mechanic is not he who just opens everything and re-fit so that anywhere a problem is there will automatically solve. But you are not seeing that for a single problem you are spending for 20 things which was perfectly all right.
And regarding re-building your engines, your engine is not so old that it requires re-build. Just open the bore, check it and if bore is not worn then just change the ring. If bore is worn then just change to new bore kit, else change to big bore from JOEL. Big bore will be better. Polish the valves and fit back. After that start using IFTEX system 2-3 or IFTEX sytem P at 1 ml/liter for first two tank fulls and then 0.5 ml/liter afterwards.
And regarding IFTEX petrol additive, this is tried and tested by me for past 3 years and i am using it in both my joy and extreme.
IFTEX will prevent gum and carbon deposits on valves and combustion chamber and thus there will be no leak of compression.
Also your problem of valve sticking will go on regular use of IFTEX.

yes you are right - but i wont go for their services i promise - i just thought of what they do as not usual stuff so just posted it - i called mr vincent and told him about my bike - he told me to bring the bike - i have to go all the way to chennai to get the packing and the diamond chain kit anyway - so i will just drop by his garage and see what he says - but rest assured i am not stripping the bike to the last bolt .

If he is well equipped like his site says and i am convinced then i might even get the big bore kit from joel and install it in his garage - one of the main reasons for not getting my ride joeled is i dont know any trust worthy mechs - i read about people who got his kit and go through lot of trouble thanks to some incompetent local mechs - thats what scares me - i mean i am ready to pay for good expertise even if it costs a bit more but till now the head mech is the only one i could find and even he is not all that trust worthy - he usually rushes things up as every other mech pesters him constantly for his expertise to solve their problem at the SVC- but this guy if he wants to can works miracles on any hero honda bike but its hard to make him work .

IFTEX now i will have to hunt for these as well when i am in chennai .

Diamond distributor in chennai :

Ananad auto corporation

No 9 , GP road - anna salai

PH - 044-28600857

Costs - Rs 700 for the Xtreme .

around Rs 300 cheaper than OE kit

Guys if you are looking to change the chain kit dont go for OE kit and get the diamond kit like sinbun said .

Not only it is cheaper but look at any new bike, its chain kit will be DIAMOND. But the replacement is HERO chain. So what happens is that the OE chain lasts long but replacement last less. So go for Diamond and it will last far longer than OE. The new bikes are coming with diamond kit. In fact the replacement chain has diamond also but it is like a lottery as hero are also coming. So why not go directly to diamond.
No need to search for IFTEX. Most BHARAT PETROLEUM pumps are stockist of IFTEX. You can easily get it in any large pumps.

There has been some extensive discussion on brake pads in the Splendour thread few months back. From what I gathered, all I can tell you is that newer models are given a non-asbestos type brake pads. (You can cross-check it with the owner's manual). It is apparently environment friendly. ASK pads on the other hand are asbestos type pads which have superior stopping power but last lesser than non-asbestos ones. Also, ASK pads are cheaper than the OEM ones. 12k for non-asbestos brake pads seems a bit less. But then again, it depends on how 'brake-friendly' the rider is. Even absentmindedly keeping your foot on the brake pedal ensures slight friction with the drum/disk pads. Take your pick now!

I didnt know when to change the pads,nor did the SVC guys tell me about it. i m facing this poor braking problem from very long time.So how much these brake pads costs for ASK? any other good options ?