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**abhisheklalnediya** · 12-12-2013, 07:22 PM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by nishesh.kumar View Post

Thanks Lokesh and Cleaner for your suggestions

Currently, I dont have the required budget to go for full DC conversion, that's why I was looking for some cost effective solution.
Looks like I've to carry on with the current setup

Why can't we connect 60w bulbs to stock ac wiring? I have been using this setup for over a year.
Also I think it's good to connect bulb on ac as it will not drain battery.

Sent from my Xperia P using xBhp Connect mobile app

**SatSon** · 12-12-2013, 08:07 PM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by abhisheklalnediya View Post

Why can't we connect 60w bulbs to stock ac wiring? I have been using this setup for over a year.
Also I think it's good to connect bulb on ac as it will not drain battery.

Sent from my Xperia P using xBhp Connect mobile app

How's your headlight output in low rpms? Because the bike struggles to power even stock 35W bulb on low rpms. A problem with almost all Hero bikes.
And does it take time to switch between high/low beams?

**shoeb2015** · 12-12-2013, 10:32 PM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

Because the bike struggles to power even stock 35W bulb on low rpms. A problem with almost all Hero bikes.

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My xtreme's headlight glows with full brightness at around 1700~1800 RPM and more than 75% at 1500RPM.
Highbeam is more than enough to blind the oncoming traffic, low beam has a very good spread without any dark spots.

All new gen hero bikes have excellent lighting, only problem is that they are not adjusted properly from factory (or) disturbed during transportation/storage .

**sibun** · 12-13-2013, 12:34 AM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

Unicorn and Achiever shares the same engine (unlike Hunk/XTreme which is a detuned version of Uni engine for better power).So clutch also should be same I think.

Sorry you mentioned it wrong as hunk/extreme has a re-tuned and not de-tuned engine.Unicorn and extreme has same clutch plates and only cost is different as Uni plates cost Rs.700 and extreme Rs.1250. The difference is in cost because Unicorn plates are of cork and extreme are of cork with fiber which makes it long lasting.

Originally posted by vineeshvv View Post

[ATTACH=CONFIG]127921[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]127922[/ATTACH]is there any one using Honda Throttle 10W30 Full Synthetic Oil in Our CBZ Xtreme ??is it really worth it , i am currently using Mobil 1 Racing 10w-40 Full SyntheticHonda Throttle Cost = 550/-MObil 1 Racing Cost= 800/-

You are already using one of the best oil available in market and why are you bothering about Honda throttle oil as Mobil 1 is far better. While the throttle is API SJ grade Mobil 1 is API SM grade and the news is that the new ones are of API SN grade.So continue using that brother. Presently i am using SHELL ADVANCE ULTRA fully synthetic oil and the engine has become smooth and feels free to rev than a mineral oil. After switching to fully synthetic i can never ever go to mineral as fully synthetic has a different feel.

Originally posted by PRATHM View Post

Guys got my bike 1st service.here is the thing that happened at SVC.As i had mentioned previously about loose tappet issue, i asked supervisor about it & he told me its normal sound in new bikes. Will go after you ride more. I was like..

Then showed my ride to another mechanic, he confirmed tappet setting problem. After test ride he said clutch setting, rear break setting, tappet setting need to be done+oil change [from barrel..

] left my ride at 11.30 a.m.At 4.30 p.m. went to take delivery of bike. Paid the charges n left SVC.After a short highway ride realized vibration at foot pegs. SVC guys tighten my bikes chain so badly that it dint have slack of even 0.5 mm..:OWent to SVC again loosen chain & clutch as clutch was also tight. Now main concern is that how can i know that my tappets settings are done correctly using feeler gauge. I am bit worried, considering the thing they did with my chain & clutch setting. Please help guys.Rest the ride is much smoother & gear shifts are bit smooth now.

SVC are very good in tightening the chain,clutch tappets and drain bolts. So when i used to go to service center i would stand there and personally check chain slack after taking delivery and then will sign. Strict instruction to not touch the clutch setting. Only one mechanic was allowed to work on my bike for all 6 servicing and he knew my style of work and thus did as i liked.For tight tappets just do the following drill then you can know if tappets are excessively tightened. When the engine is warm just let the bike idle. Now slowly decrease the idle rpm by turning the idling screw to 750 rpm. See if engine is idling. The idle will fluctuate but engine will not turn off. If engine is turning off at 800-750 rpm then tappets are tight.

Originally posted by nishesh.kumar View Post

Guys,Please suggest, so that I can improve the head light visibility.Its getting really difficult to ride during night.

Headlight is already bright in extreme, just it needs a proper setting. You can see my bike photos at night and see the headlight settings at how much distance it must fall. Adjust accordingly. See in that picture and how bright my headlight is. Get a germany bulb from philips which is thinner than most bulbs and see the beam, you will be surprised.

Originally posted by PRATHM View Post

Bro, i had to do tappet setting as i was facing loose tappet issue within few days of my bike purchase. I had also posted video & sibun ji confirmed that its loose tappet noise. Rest things i checked personally & did chain, clutch setting in front of me. Is it common that xtreme doesn`t start early with kick in cold climate as i had to do 3-4 attempts without choke on. Its been lil bit of cold here in Mumbai. Tried starting her using kick as she was standstill from past 3 days. She din`t. Finally with choke on fired engine. Although with self start she starts with one press, but many members suggets to do first kick start if bike is not used for 2-3 days.

Perfectly normal as choke is provided for that reason only. Nothing to worry as choke function is to start the engine in cold condition.

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

How's your headlight output in low rpms? Because the bike struggles to power even stock 35W bulb on low rpms. A problem with almost all Hero bikes.And does it take time to switch between high/low beams?

Many what happened to your hunk. Have you got your Hunk and also how does it feel after getting all the work done.Post something, i thought you forgot your bike at mechanic workplace.

Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post

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My xtreme's headlight glows with full brightness at around 1700~1800 RPM and more than 75% at 1500RPM.Highbeam is more than enough to blind the oncoming traffic, low beam has a very good spread without any dark spots. All new gen hero bikes have excellent lighting, only problem is that they are not adjusted properly from factory (or) disturbed during transportation/storage .

Yes you are right our bikes just Provides full brightness at 1700-1800 rpm.The old model extreme/hunk had a 125 w alternator while the new model has a 140W alternator. Moreover All lights are LED except headlight, pilot lamp and rear number plate lamp. Have already converted the pilot lamp to LED and someday will convert the number plate light to LED.So our new model have 140 W alternator but consumption is low due to all LED. So Light runs at full brightness at low rpm of 1700-1800 rpm.

**SatSon** · 12-13-2013, 09:37 AM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by sibun View Post

Sorry you mentioned it wrong as hunk/extreme has a re-tuned and not de-tuned engine.Unicorn and extreme has same clutch plates and only cost is different as Uni plates cost Rs.700 and extreme Rs.1250. The difference is in cost because Unicorn plates are of cork and extreme are of cork with fiber which makes it long lasting.

Many what happened to your hunk. Have you got your Hunk and also how does it feel after getting all the work done.Post something, i thought you forgot your bike at mechanic workplace.Yes you are right our bikes just Provides full brightness at 1700-1800 rpm.

Sorry, I wanted to say "re-tuned" only

Well I got my Hunk on Tuesday evening, there was a power cut in lathe on Monday, and the work got delayed.
I thought of posting the details after riding for couple of days. In between I saw some smoke yesterday and day before yesterday evening on the way back from office.
I could see it on a signal stop in the lights of vehicles behind me. But still not sure if it was really from my bike as there were couple of 2-stroke autos behind and when I reached home and checked I couldn't see anything. So was in a confused state-of mind for couple of days to post about my bike.

I am optimistic about it now and decided to move on and check the oil level after couple of days.

Now, the rebuild details.
I couldn't be there with mechanic when he was rebuilding as he did it overnight. I did see the OE parts he had purchased for it, mainly the HH OE bore kit (cost 3100/-).
But I noticed that it is again SAL make, nevermind. New rocker arms, valves, timing chain(unicorn), valve oil seal, other orings/oil seals, clutch plate, oil, plug etc.
air filter was only 4k old and wasn't changed.
He couldn't source OE clutch plates(he says) and was of TVS make!
New accelerator cable, clutch cable, fork oil seal, fork oil, swing arm bushes and swing arm welding done.
He said he washed the silencer with Kerosene (he says he used 2L

) and water.

And the total cost 11.5k including 1.7k lathe charge for crank work and valve seating and 1.5k his labor charge.
I think the cost is atleast some 1.5k more and he would've got some commission on purchasing parts.

Chain is near the end of life and I could see hook shaped front sprockets, but though of changing it in a month or two.

The third gear wheel was not available and even second hand one from old bike was offered for 3.5k (complete gear set)
So thought of not changing it.

And the bike - there is enough compression on the kick starter. I started it and there is no noise! is it my Hunk itself!
Shifted to first gear and went for a short spin around. Was really impressed with it. As the swing arm bushes have been changed and front forks overhauled the ride quality was good if not best. The crank (or bore) noise on deceleration also disappeared.
The engine is silent and vibe free and and shifting thru gears is a bliss. There are some vibrations around 4k rpm though.
I am restricting it around 4k rpm and occasionally taking to 4.5k rpm. Riding in city traffic, so the bike is in varying rpm always, which I think is good for engine break-in.
The bike is moving like an electric bike due to new engine/clutch/accelerator cable(no play)/ and right chain setting.

I can feel the refinement almost as equal to the new GS150 which test rode few days back.

Signing off for now

**abhisheklalnediya** · 12-13-2013, 10:38 AM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

How's your headlight output in low rpms? Because the bike struggles to power even stock 35W bulb on low rpms. A problem with almost all Hero bikes.
And does it take time to switch between high/low beams?

yes, it takes nearly 2000rpm to reach full brightness, and takes nearly 500ms to switch between high and low.
I think that is not a problem.

Can we diy ac to dc conversion?

**shoeb2015** · 12-13-2013, 01:28 PM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

Well I ...........
Now, the rebuild details.
I couldn't be there with mechanic when he was rebuilding as he did it overnight. I did see the OE parts he had purchased for it, mainly the HH OE bore kit (cost 3100/-).
And the total cost 11.5k including 1.7k lathe charge for crank work and valve seating and 1.5k his labor charge.
I think the cost is atleast some 1.5k more and he would've got some commission on purchasing parts.

Can you give a little more detailed break-up of all the spare parts used and their cost ?

Next time, if you don't find any particular spare-part then feel free to contact me.

**SatSon** · 12-13-2013, 01:30 PM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post

Can you give a little more detailed break-up of all the spare parts used and their cost ?

Next time, if you don't find any particular spare-part then feel free to contact me.

Thanks Shoeb.
Yes, sure, I will post it today evening or tomorrow.

**SatSon** · 12-13-2013, 09:19 PM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

The spare parts have been charged as follows -

Fork oil seal - 220
Fork oil - 165
Clutch cable - 127
Accelerator cable - 110
Plug - 107
Timing chain - 425
Timing chain pad(guide?) - 220
Valve - 490
Valve oil seal - 110
Bore assembly - 3185
Engine packing kit - 290
clutch plate - 960
oil seal kit - 90
Oring kit - 160
Engine oil - 365

**shoeb2015** · 12-14-2013, 12:08 AM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

The spare parts have been charged as follows -

Fork oil seal - 220 Rs.180 /-
Fork oil - 165
Clutch cable - 127 Rs.75/-
Accelerator cable - 110 Rs.85/-
Plug - 107
Timing chain - 425 Rs.350
Timing chain pad(guide?) - 220 Rs.20+40 = 60
Valve - 490 Rs.120+ Rs.140/- = 360
Valve oil seal - 110 Rs.80/-
Bore assembly - 3185
Engine packing kit - 290
clutch plate - 960 Aftermarket plates can't be this costly
oil seal kit - 90
Oring kit - 160
Engine oil - 365 OE hero 4T oil costs Rs.215 for 900ml.

Replies in bold. Actual MRP as of november.

I am sorry to say but I feel that your mechanic has overcharged you for the parts mentioned above. Your post does not mention anything about rocker arms, crank spares, swingarm work etc.
Lathe charges are way too high, it is acceptable if it includes the cost of new con-rod and bearings.

If the engine is running good and you are satisfied with the quality of work then no problem.
Change the oil after 500kms and set the tappets using feeler gauge without fail.

**PRATHM** · 12-14-2013, 12:30 AM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by sibun View Post

Sorry you mentioned it wrong as hunk/extreme has a re-tuned and not de-tuned engine.Unicorn and extreme has same clutch plates and only cost is different as Uni plates cost Rs.700 and extreme Rs.1250. The difference is in cost because Unicorn plates are of cork and extreme are of cork with fiber which makes it long lasting.You are already using one of the best oil available in market and why are you bothering about Honda throttle oil as Mobil 1 is far better. While the throttle is API SJ grade Mobil 1 is API SM grade and the news is that the new ones are of API SN grade.So continue using that brother. Presently i am using SHELL ADVANCE ULTRA fully synthetic oil and the engine has become smooth and feels free to rev than a mineral oil. After switching to fully synthetic i can never ever go to mineral as fully synthetic has a different feel.SVC are very good in tightening the chain,clutch tappets and drain bolts. So when i used to go to service center i would stand there and personally check chain slack after taking delivery and then will sign. Strict instruction to not touch the clutch setting. Only one mechanic was allowed to work on my bike for all 6 servicing and he knew my style of work and thus did as i liked.For tight tappets just do the following drill then you can know if tappets are excessively tightened. When the engine is warm just let the bike idle. Now slowly decrease the idle rpm by turning the idling screw to 750 rpm. See if engine is idling. The idle will fluctuate but engine will not turn off. If engine is turning off at 800-750 rpm then tappets are tight.Headlight is already bright in extreme, just it needs a proper setting. You can see my bike photos at night and see the headlight settings at how much distance it must fall. Adjust accordingly. See in that picture and how bright my headlight is. Get a germany bulb from philips which is thinner than most bulbs and see the beam, you will be surprised.Perfectly normal as choke is provided for that reason only. Nothing to worry as choke function is to start the engine in cold condition.Many what happened to your hunk. Have you got your Hunk and also how does it feel after getting all the work done.Post something, i thought you forgot your bike at mechanic workplace.Yes you are right our bikes just Provides full brightness at 1700-1800 rpm.The old model extreme/hunk had a 125 w alternator while the new model has a 140W alternator. Moreover All lights are LED except headlight, pilot lamp and rear number plate lamp. Have already converted the pilot lamp to LED and someday will convert the number plate light to LED.So our new model have 140 W alternator but consumption is low due to all LED. So Light runs at full brightness at low rpm of 1700-1800 rpm.

sibunji i tried varying RPM as you said. In 1st attempt i turned rpm screw 1/4 from its original position it went to 750 & engine shut off. In 2nd attempt screw rotated to original posistion & started rotating screw. This time engine was making thud thud sound like it do when it hits reserve with screw rotated slightly ahead of 1/4 turns but dint shut downed. Now my main doubt is how much more i need to turn screw..?
Also engine make some really weird noise like there is no petrol for first few minutes after bike turned on. After riding her few kms she became normal. is it common..?

**SatSon** · 12-14-2013, 09:36 AM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post

Replies in bold. Actual MRP as of november.

I am sorry to say but I feel that your mechanic has overcharged you for the parts mentioned above. Your post does not mention anything about rocker arms, crank spares, swingarm work etc.
Lathe charges are way too high, it is acceptable if it includes the cost of new con-rod and bearings.

If the engine is running good and you are satisfied with the quality of work then no problem.
Change the oil after 500kms and set the tappets using feeler gauge without fail.

Yes, I do feel so, actually he didn't give me original bill from spare parts shop.
This bill was in his garage's bill slip.
Yes, I too noticed the missing things like rocker arms, swing arm bushes etc.
The crank shaft have play sidewise and was given to lathe for correcting. Total lathe work cost including crank work, head/valve work was 1700.
And 300 charged towards swing arm welding and painting the welded part.

I felt like he is somewhat genuine and knows what he is doing. He says he has worked in HH ASC for years and he is around 45 years old.
Also, he is a "SWAMY" getting ready for Sabarimala pilgrimage

Actually I am from Kerala and working in Chennai and don't know any mechanic personally here.
So thought of giving it a try with this guy and the garage was close to my flat.

The bike is still running smooth. Though, I am noticing more vibes on deceleration now.
The front forks do not work well on very good road, I can feel the unevenness of the road.
But on potholes it is working fine. Not sure why.

What would be the cost of oil filter?

**shoeb2015** · 12-14-2013, 07:14 PM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by SatSon View Post

The crank shaft have play sidewise and was given to lathe for correcting. Total lathe work cost including crank work, head/valve work was 1700.
And 300 charged towards swing arm welding and painting the welded part.
I felt like he is somewhat genuine and knows what he is doing. He says he has worked in HH ASC for years and he is around 45 years old.
Also, he is a "SWAMY" getting ready for Sabarimala pilgrimage

Actually I am from Kerala and working in Chennai and don't know any mechanic personally here.
So thought of giving it a try with this guy and the garage was close to my flat.
The bike is still running smooth. Though, I am noticing more vibes on deceleration now.
The front forks do not work well on very good road, I can feel the unevenness of the road.
But on potholes it is working fine. Not sure why.
What would be the cost of oil filter?

There will be some lateral play in connecting rod, however excess play can be found out from experience only. When the con rod is at TDC, the con rod must be rocked back and forth to check for play, there shouldn't be any vertical play.

This video explains what I am trying to say.
How To Check Rod Bearing Play On A Motorcycle - YouTube

Regarding fork,
Can you explain the issue more clearly ? Do you feel lack of stiffness or any other handling issue ? Is it happening only after the fork overhaul ?

**SatSon** · 12-14-2013, 09:46 PM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by shoeb2015 View Post

There will be some lateral play in connecting rod, however excess play can be found out from experience only. When the con rod is at TDC, the con rod must be rocked back and forth to check for play, there shouldn't be any vertical play.

This video explains what I am trying to say.

Regarding fork,
Can you explain the issue more clearly ? Do you feel lack of stiffness or any other handling issue ? Is it happening only after the fork overhaul ?

Now I am thinking if the crank work was really needed!
I have taken a video of it though not good. Please check it.
Hero Hunk crank shaft play check - YouTube

Regarding forks - the forks are stiff! they work somewhat well on bad roads, but they just act like cycle forks on a good road, transferring even small unevenness.
I noticed it after overhaul.
Actually the forks seals were gone and leaking oil before the overhaul.
Will it soften after couple of hundreds of kms?

**nishesh.kumar** · 12-15-2013, 09:33 AM

re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

Originally posted by abhisheklalnediya View Post

Why can't we connect 60w bulbs to stock ac wiring? I have been using this setup for over a year.
Also I think it's good to connect bulb on ac as it will not drain battery.

Yesterday, I purchased Philips Premium Vision 60/55 W bulb, and replaced the existing Halonix 35/35 W bulb with this one.
Now, there is significant improvement in the head light throw, and now I can ride without any issues during night hours.
I hope it doesn't fry the reflector or the wiring harness

Below is the image of the Philips Premium Vision Box. It costed Rs. 100/-.
[MENTION=46788]abhisheklalnediya[/MENTION]: Thanks a lot for your guidance

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