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  • Originally posted by Bharadwaj_D View Post
    My bike has started making strange noise lately.It is some reciprocating noise from engine head and becomes more evident after some 2~Kms of ride. It can be heard even at stand still as far as i know it should be tappet noise.This noise has started since my third service at 4.1K kms.I have observed it is absent after a fresh service but this noise usually triggers in after a drive with speeds =>70kmph and then remains until next service. My odo is reading ~6Kkms and the bike had 4th sevice at 5.5Kkms. It was absent after the 4th sevice too but it has again started as i did a 200km drive at 80-85kmph. The SVC guys seem to screw up things badly. More over this time i found my bike crying to go beyond 85kmph. It feels as if i am choking it to death!! I found a mechanic nearby and he said that he will fix the tappet noise. Can i let him to fix it???
    Yep, That would be tappet problem. I think you can try it out at other service center. Problem is that most of the other mechanics dont have enough apparatus to such stuff.
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    • Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
      Yep, That would be tappet problem. I think you can try it out at other service center. Problem is that most of the other mechanics dont have enough apparatus to such stuff.
      The basic problem with SVC guys is that they do not entertain any jobs between free sevices . And fixing tappet job will never be done by then in between free services. I will have to find someone else to finish the work. I feel they have made fuel air mixture lean. My bike is not able to cross 6.5Krpm smoothly. I also have to make that thing correct...
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      • Originally posted by Bharadwaj_D View Post
        My bike has started making strange noise lately.It is some reciprocating noise from engine head and becomes more evident after some 2~Kms of ride. It can be heard even at stand still as far as i know it should be tappet noise.This noise has started since my third service at 4.1K kms.I have observed it is absent after a fresh service but this noise usually triggers in after a drive with speeds =>70kmph and then remains until next service. My odo is reading ~6Kkms and the bike had 4th sevice at 5.5Kkms. It was absent after the 4th sevice too but it has again started as i did a 200km drive at 80-85kmph. The SVC guys seem to screw up things badly. More over this time i found my bike crying to go beyond 85kmph. It feels as if i am choking it to death!! I found a mechanic nearby and he said that he will fix the tappet noise. Can i let him to fix it???
        Welcome to the world of tappet problems. And good luck at fixing it... you'll need loads of it. Actually, never, never let them even touch it until you REALLY need to. It mostly comes very well set from the company... once the vandals at the ASC touch it, you can count on such issues. And its not like the ASC even has the equipment... or if they have it, they cant be bothered to use it. Mine does not even have the gauges.

        The basic problem with SVC guys is that they do not entertain any jobs between free sevices . And fixing tappet job will never be done by then in between free services. I will have to find someone else to finish the work. I feel they have made fuel air mixture lean. My bike is not able to cross 6.5Krpm smoothly. I also have to make that thing correct...
        They have to... if they don't threaten to take the matter to HH. And do it if required!! If they don't want to do it then they have to do the job right the 1st time. Its not rocket science. Make them accountable for what they do... to the extent you can.
        Last edited by Raccoon; 09-10-2009, 01:18 AM.

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        • Originally posted by Raccoon View Post
          Welcome to the world of tappet problems. And good luck at fixing it... you'll need loads of it. Actually, never, never let them even touch it until you REALLY need to. It mostly comes very well set from the company... once the vandals at the ASC touch it, you can count on such issues. And its not like the ASC even has the equipment... or if they have it, they cant be bothered to use it. Mine does not even have the gauges.

          ooooo... I still dont know if the local mechanics would screw up things worse than the SVC guys! But then noise sets in every time i go beyond
          some 70 odd speed . This wasnt the case before my 3rd service. I used to take my bike upto 110 frequently during 3K-4Kkms. But at that time i never experienced any such noise.
          Last edited by Bharadwaj_D; 09-10-2009, 01:36 AM.
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          • Originally posted by Bharadwaj_D View Post
            The basic problem with SVC guys is that they do not entertain any jobs between free sevices . And fixing tappet job will never be done by then in between free services. I will have to find someone else to finish the work. I feel they have made fuel air mixture lean. My bike is not able to cross 6.5Krpm smoothly. I also have to make that thing correct...
            Originally posted by Raccoon View Post
            They have to... if they don't threaten to take the matter to HH. And do it if required!! If they don't want to do it then they have to do the job right the 1st time. Its not rocket science. Make them accountable for what they do... to the extent you can.
            Just call up HH, they will settle issues for you. This is has worked very well for me. Most of the dealers of HH are shit scared of HH.
            This has worked very well for me for tire changes on my bike.

            Tappets are the one of the most irritating problems. My bike had this after non-stop torture to it, Rode it for almost 100kms at RPMs above 7000 and constantly at 9000. So I guess that was obvious.
            But it was set right by the SVC guys instantly.

            Good tuning of the bike is very important other wise it would be chain reaction of issues.
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            • Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
              Just call up HH, they will settle issues for you. This is has worked very well for me. Most of the dealers of HH are shit scared of HH.
              This has worked very well for me for tire changes on my bike.
              Absolutely right !! I have had similar experience !! One HH dealer told me that regional office punishes bad dealers by depriving them hot selling bikes for few months if there is serious complaint (not sure if this is true). That's why a complaint directed to HH works wonders !!

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              • Just came down from chennai and i am angry VERY angry.My RPM kept on rising on the highway went upto 2000 after 34kms.Took it to SC 4 times in kancheepuram as chennai is too far away. add Starting problem to this situation(Read 10-15 kick's in the morning).As the Biggest HH showroom in Kanchi does not care about customer's like me i turned to CBZ as they were the source of all this mess.Complained to castrol they told me to bring the bike today so i went their the senior mech said its the TAPPETS if its not set right the RPM will rise.As their was some tappet noise i let him do his job.He finished setting the tappet and told me to take a test ride .I took the bike for exactly 11.5 Kms the RPM shot upto 2000.So the mech removed the screw from the carb(the fuel screw that they tune with a screw driver) it looked like a needle and added a tiny washer to it and set the idle RPM to 1360 with the Digital engine tachometer.Took a test ride again this time the test ride was comlpeted in 13Kms.The RPM needle rose upto 1400 and stayed their.... the pick up was awesome.
                So happily took my bike home when i neared kancheepuram i had to stop the bike as i received a call on my mobile.The moment i stopped and took the helmet off i could hear a lot of valve noise it sounded like the the rickshaw chain horn you know the thing they shake it makes a clattering noise and boy it was loud it was like GALA GALA GALA with some tic tic tic
                Sound so i entered kancheepuram as i know of a mechanic who closes shop pretty late and he checked the engine oil first for some reason and said its the tappets.....i initially thought the engine has seized or something it was that loud.The mech told me to drive the bike below 60Km/hr as the valve could bend if i raised the throttle.

                The most shocking thing is the CBZ guy's used the tool shown in the manual FEELER GAUGE(page 37) in the manual...this is the first time i am seeing this tool. Also he used what looked like a swiz army knife to check the gap in the tappet also he selected a diff. blade to check the spark plug gap.



                He also used this wrench:



                The senior mech who attended my bike seemed to be very sincere.But how the hell does the tappet making this kind of LOUD noise after just 70Kms .Hahahahaha i am feeling like laughing for no reason... hahahaha i am pulling my hair right now... hahahaha i am going MAD.
                Last edited by sarbanoxley; 09-11-2009, 12:01 AM.
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                • Take it easy, tappet adjustment is a tricky thing that some get right&some don't!
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                  • Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
                    Absolutely right !! I have had similar experience !! One HH dealer told me that regional office punishes bad dealers by depriving them hot selling bikes for few months if there is serious complaint (not sure if this is true). That's why a complaint directed to HH works wonders !!
                    But how to make HH listen?? First, the people at the toll free number do not give any ph numbers of the managers. When I emailed at all the email id's I got, I didnt get a single reply. After several days, I just got a call from the same dealer... who is the cause of all problems anyway. When I called regional office, I was told that service engineers can be found there only in the last and first week of every month. They declined to give their mobile numbers. The junior engg (or whoever) I spoke to said he would pass on the msg. to his boss. After that toltal silence. I'm truly fed up of HH and its disgusting service.

                    Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
                    The senior mech who attended my bike seemed to be very sincere.But how the hell does the tappet making this kind of LOUD noise after just 70Kms .Hahahahaha i am feeling like laughing for no reason... hahahaha i am pulling my hair right now... hahahaha i am going MAD.
                    Mannnnnnnnnnn... my deepest sympathies. Thats the state of affairs in this country. The CBZ in my area didn't even have the right gauges. First they cooly said yes, when I asked to specifically see them, the guy asked the mech who looked around and said they don't have the exact ones. All the other mechanics/garages I asked also did not have it, or if they had it, they didn't have the ones that are required. Its a mess.

                    Btw, what did they use the torque wrench for??

                    Anyway, better get it fixed fast mate... else you will be seeing more serious problems.

                    Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                    Take it easy, tappet adjustment is a tricky thing that some get right&some don't!
                    Those who don't get it right should be burnt at the stake. As I said its not rocket science. No need to be a mechanic if you cant get it right. They can try their hand at selling veggies instead...

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                    • Originally posted by riazmomin View Post
                      Just call up HH, they will settle issues for you. This is has worked very well for me. Most of the dealers of HH are shit scared of HH.
                      This has worked very well for me for tire changes on my bike.

                      Tappets are the one of the most irritating problems. My bike had this after non-stop torture to it, Rode it for almost 100kms at RPMs above 7000 and constantly at 9000. So I guess that was obvious.
                      But it was set right by the SVC guys instantly.

                      Good tuning of the bike is very important other wise it would be chain reaction of issues.
                      Ill have to see anyways thanks... altough you mentioned some 9000 rpm my bike dosent even work well even in that way! the default problem of all hunks rules even my bike.. guessing what ?? its the throttle it gets finished after 8000+RPM . No more twist.This is a contrast between extreme and hunk. Once i asked the authorised service centre official could i take this upto 9000 rpm he smiled and said the tacho is just like a dummy one and it dosent do much of
                      use. As far as i know this throttle issue has been discussed earlier....... right??? You might not believe it but i tell you its true!!
                      Last edited by Bharadwaj_D; 09-11-2009, 01:27 AM.
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                      • Originally posted by Raccoon View Post
                        But how to make HH listen?? First, the people at the toll free number do not give any ph numbers of the managers. When I emailed at all the email id's I got, I didnt get a single reply. After several days, I just got a call from the same dealer... who is the cause of all problems anyway. When I called regional office, I was told that service engineers can be found there only in the last and first week of every month. They declined to give their mobile numbers. The junior engg (or whoever) I spoke to said he would pass on the msg. to his boss. After that toltal silence. I'm truly fed up of HH and its disgusting service.
                        That's pretty bad In B'lore, they were responsive to me, I just used regional office help twice (successfully). Both the time it was dealer who called me for 'sorting out issues', he personally monitored till my satisfaction.

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                        • Originally posted by Raccoon View Post

                          Mannnnnnnnnnn... my deepest sympathies. Thats the state of affairs in this country. The CBZ in my area didn't even have the right gauges. First they cooly said yes, when I asked to specifically see them, the guy asked the mech who looked around and said they don't have the exact ones. All the other mechanics/garages I asked also did not have it, or if they had it, they didn't have the ones that are required. Its a mess.
                          Originally posted by Raccoon View Post
                          Btw, what did they use the torque wrench for??
                          He used it to open the Crankshaft hole cap(see page 36 in manual).He also opened the timing hole cap.And the engine lid.Inserted the wrench into the crankshaft hole cap.And was twisting it at the same time he was watching the timing hole cap while another guy was showing a torch on the hole ....it looked as if he was defusing a bomb or something.


                          Originally posted by Raccoon View Post
                          Anyway, better get it fixed fast mate... else you will be seeing more serious problems.
                          Can the engine be damaged in 75Kms i was keeping my speed's between 60-110Km/hr....I could not hear the noise if i did i would have slowed sown for sure .The mech checked the oil it was good.
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                          • Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
                            That's pretty bad In B'lore, they were responsive to me, I just used regional office help twice (successfully). Both the time it was dealer who called me for 'sorting out issues', he personally monitored till my satisfaction.
                            Atleast you guys dont have to face the HONDA guys . They would the ultimate ones i guess everywhere .
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                            may be the best of things and
                            no good thing ever dies .

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                            • @ sarban I know how it feels when things like this happen to your bike and you . I can only tell you to take care of whatever you do next and have knowledge of what your getting done . Do talk in your G2G thread and try to find some good mechanic . I know its kinda mental trauma and am personally going through it . Just relax and keep patience .
                              Hope is a good thing ,
                              may be the best of things and
                              no good thing ever dies .

                              Get busy living or get busy dying .

                              - The Shawshank Redemption .

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                              • Originally posted by vipin_s View Post
                                That's pretty bad In B'lore, they were responsive to me, I just used regional office help twice (successfully). Both the time it was dealer who called me for 'sorting out issues', he personally monitored till my satisfaction.
                                In my case, no use. Its the dealer and his %^&#@!*% rotten workshop that is itself the problem. You just have to observe how they work... its the worst auto workshop I'v ever seen. And HH has gone deaf.

                                Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
                                He used it to open the Crankshaft hole cap(see page 36 in manual).He also opened the timing hole cap.And the engine lid.Inserted the wrench into the crankshaft hole cap.And was twisting it at the same time he was watching the timing hole cap while another guy was showing a torch on the hole ....it looked as if he was defusing a bomb or something.

                                Can the engine be damaged in 75Kms i was keeping my speed's between 60-110Km/hr....I could not hear the noise if i did i would have slowed sown for sure .The mech checked the oil it was good.
                                Thank your stars that they at least had a torque wrench. LOL! At the HH ASC, they are above such useless equipment and think they can do better with their hands...

                                Anyway, they would have been trying to get the valves to close. But the bomb thing is right... as whatever mess they did seems to have bombed anyway... ROTFL Well, sorry for laughing, but you gotta learn to do that, else they can easily drive you bonkers.

                                Hmm... can't comment on any damage without getting to look at the bike.

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