Great! Keep us posted with the progress.

8th Service update:

It was a normal service, I had to give it to service as I had already ridden 2250 kms on Yamalube mineral and it was 3 months since the 7th service. I crashed last month hence have to replace right silver cowel, got the front disc over hauled as due to rainy season discs were becoming little spongy. Showed problem to service center guys about RPM dropping while holding clutch, the mechanic did some adjustment on carb (sigh), the frequency of problem reduced now.

Service cost:
Paid service: Rs. 300/-
Right side silver cowel - Rs. 401/- (Part 361 + Labor 40)
Front disc brake overhauling - Rs. 50/-
Elf Moto 10W50 Fully Synthetic oil - Rs. 725/-
Oil Filter - Rs. 35/-
Service tax - Rs. 48/-

Total - Rs. 1559/-

The highlight of this service was Engine Oil, I switched from Yamalube 20W40 mineral to Elf Moto 10W50 Fully Synthetic oil, cost Rs. 725/- only. One of my friend used it in his Fazer and results were astonishing! Since my SZ-R crossed 10K kms I thought of giving a shot as I have few plans for long rides coming few months. Initial impression - Bike revs very easily, engine stress reduced a little. Gear shifts super smooth if shift 3 K RPM. Pickup has improved (May be because of service), pickup has been better than earlier services. I would like to check how bike behaves at high revs and on highway at high speeds. Now I am seriously feeling that if tyres would have been better then it would have been a gem of 150 CC bike!

I will keep you all posted with my experiance with Elf moto fully synthetic oil.

Cheers!

- Lalit

Hello fellas

I am in process of figuring out bike suitable for me, SZR is on top of my list due to following reasons:

a. Product of Yamaha so excellent handling, cornering and braking ability comes by default.
b. Tried and tested FZ engine.
c. Relaxed non sporty sitting posture( unlike CBZ, Hunk, FZ which have sporty sitting posture and which can be little less comfortable )
d. Best in class in-gear roll on figures( it is quicker than FZ by whole 4 secs, going from 30 Kmph-70Kmph in 5th gear- Source: Zigwheels review.)
e. Toe-heel gear lever, Yes I need it badly as dont want to spoil my shoes.
f. Pillion seat height is not high, easy and comfortable for pillion.

All above observations and every bit of it is based on reviews of SZR users and road reviews. All SZR owners please provide your comments on above observations and correct me if any of my above apprehensions are not correct.


Thanks in advance

Good SZr is the best 150cc bike @ 65k OTR

it's very same to any 150cc bike in respect to handling or braking. But not at all bad or average, little above all.
But it's way different from FZ engine. It has good average of 50-60kmpl.
Nope!! CBZ X /Hunk or FZ don't have a sport riding position at all. They are basic commuter class riding bikes. And SZr has very similar riding position too like FZ or little different than that , not much. Till now we all expected FZ to be most comfortable riding bike in commuter class!!
Is this the criteria to choose a bike ?? FZ is best in commuter class and riding, apart from average and top end. The best part of FZ is it's ride quality and easy handling with comfort!!
Yep True
hmmm...
Now little facts:

SZr is for people who are looking for a 150cc in <70k.
SZr has good low end torque for city rides and good highway rider too.
SZr has top end close to 110kmph(SZr owners please correct me here).
SZr is not at all for cornering or high speed and great pick up.
SZr average is 50-60kmpl, my friends get around 62kmpl also. but that's on higway.

BTW can you please let us know the following:

1. What would be the purpose of this bike?
2. Budget?
3. average kms per day ??

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But it's way different from FZ engine. It has good average of 50-60kmpl.

Very right. Detuned version of FZ TUNED for mileage.

Nope!! CBZ X /Hunk or FZ don't have a sport riding position at all. They are basic commuter class riding bikes. And SZr has very similar riding position too like FZ or little different than that , not much. Till now we all expected FZ to be most comfortable riding bike in commuter class!!

What I meant to say was, these bikes read Hunk, CBZ, FZ have rider foot pegs slightly backwards thus making riders legs somewhat bent. Whereas GS 150R, SZR have more relaxed sitting posture as if sitting on chair. Not considering other factors, this results in better ride comfort .

Is this the criteria to choose a bike ?? FZ is best in commuter class and riding, apart from average and top end. The best part of FZ is it's ride quality and easy handling with comfort!!

Yes this is very much criteria for choosing bike. In gear roll-on figures matters when driving in5th gear at speeds of 30-35 and u need to overtake big vehicle in front of you! There is no doubt FZ leads its class and thats is exactly reason I m seeing lot of new FZs on road.
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But it's way different from FZ engine. It has good average of 50-60kmpl.

Very right. Detuned version of FZ TUNED for mileage.

Nope!! CBZ X /Hunk or FZ don't have a sport riding position at all. They are basic commuter class riding bikes. And SZr has very similar riding position too like FZ or little different than that , not much. Till now we all expected FZ to be most comfortable riding bike in commuter class!!

What I meant to say was, these bikes read Hunk, CBZ, FZ have rider foot pegs slightly backwards thus making riders legs somewhat bent. Whereas GS 150R, SZR have more relaxed sitting posture as if sitting on chair. Not considering other factors, this results in better ride comfort .

Is this the criteria to choose a bike ?? FZ is best in commuter class and riding, apart from average and top end. The best part of FZ is it's ride quality and easy handling with comfort!!

Yes this is very much criteria for choosing bike. In gear roll-on figures matters when driving in5th gear at speeds of 30-35 and u need to overtake big vehicle in front of you! There is no doubt FZ leads its class and thats is exactly reason I m seeing lot of new FZs on road.
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My comments in bold

Sorry for duplicate posts, I have goofed up something !!

To all SZ owners, can somebody tell what are negatives/problems encountered in SZR till now ? are there any universal problem that all SZR suffers from ?

What I am asking are things like... Stunner vibrates above 60 Kmph, Shine too, unicorn..has tendency of tail light rattling, starting problems. Things like these.... please help.

Answers in bold, do let me know if you have any other query.

Also keep us posted what bike you have chosen.

Cheers!

- Lalit

If altering the number of sprocket teeth is the tuning or detuning you mention, SZR and SZX is tuned/detuned for pickup; not mileage or speed. To compensate the loss of speed, both these bikes are provided with 100/90-17 rear tire instead of the 140/60-17 in Fazer, FZS and FZ16.
But after all the tuning/detuning you mentioned, the top speed of Fazer, FZ 16, FZS, SZR and SZX is almost the same. The difference, even at 7500 rpm, is nominal, i.e., 2 or 3 km/h. More than that, all these 5 bikes are using the same engine. Considering the pickup, Fazer, FZ 16 and FZS is with lesser pickup. Though the torque of these three bikes is 13.6 Nm at 6000 RPM, the 40/14 final reduction ratio reduces the torque at rear wheel by about 5%. More FZ16s are sold for its looks; not power or speed.
So many Fs, Zs and Ss. Really confusing.

Now this is interesting. You mean to say that SZ-X / SZ-R and FZs only have different sprocket and nothing has been changed on engine side to tune / detune?

I am not sure of front and rear sprocket teeth count for SZs and FZs, do anyone know about it?

What is this 40/14 final reduction ratio? In which bike its been implemented? SZs or FZs?

I am sorry for my complete noobness in it, but I am more than interested to know this.

Cheers!

- Lalit

Yes, all the five bikes – Fazer, FZ16, FZS, SZR and SZX uses the same 153 cc engine with 58/57.9 mm bore/stroke, 9.5 : 1 compression ratio like Xtreme, Hunk, Impulse, Unicorn and Dazzler uses the same 149.2 cc engine. The sprocket ratio of the first three bikes is 14:40 while the last two is 14:42. 14:42 gives better pickup than 14:40 but the latter gives higher speed.
Another difference is in the tire size. The first three bikes move on 140/60-17 rear tire and the last two on 100/90-17. The difference in the width and aspect ratio makes difference in the circumference of the tire and the number of turns per km.
Next difference is in the kerb weight. Fazer is 141 kgs and FZ16, FZS, SZR and SZX is 134-136 kgs. This makes difference in the power to weight ratio but to find out the best (?) bike among these 5, there is no way other than a dyno test. This test report is with the manufacturer but never revealed but one thing is sure: all these 5 bikes are more or less the same.
I cannot understand what you mean by engine side/engine tuning. Anyhow, Joel Joseph and our other tuning engineers are not working with Yamaha; I guess.
Marketing is trick. When, due to faulty design, more than one spark plug became inevitable in an engine. This additional plug was projected as a new technology, was accepted by us and they are now with more plugs on another one which is the copy of an excellent engine with single plug. But here the fact that both bikes are with same engine and their gear ratios are same or almost same is hidden. Cannot blame anybody as the only technology with them is removing/adding some tooth from or to the sprockets. Anything more than that is not easy and is beyond their imagination and is not reachable.
To increase the ground clearance of a bike, the easiest way they found out was fitting the exhaust pipe under the ridering seat. With this clearance, the rider is able to jump a 10 cm higher fence than other bikers when his thigh is fried by the exhaust pipe. The pillion rider jumps over a much higher height earlier than the rider. This too is proclaimed as a new technology: “exhaust pipe under rider’s seat technology”. And what about introducing an engine abandoned ten years ago in foreign countries, here as new after picking a tooth?
Not to hurt anybody’s feelings and anything except a direct punch on my nose is welcome.

I understand the OT happening here so I will not comment on that bit (and it would be better if nobody else does too since it has already been discussed exhaustively elsewhere), but coming quoted text, If in fact SZ engine is the *exact same* as those on the FZ series bikes, why is it that the spec sheets show a ~13.5% power deficit on the SZ series as compared to the FZ series?
Sources:
FZ Peak Power : 14Ps
SZ Peak Power : 12.1Ps

And Just FYI, the 5th gear ratios on FZ(0.857) and SZ are also different. SZ(0.916) being slightly shorter. Of all people, I had expected you to notice these basic bits.
I hope you realize that Mr.Joel Joseph is not the last remaining engine tuning engineer in the world.

P.S.: By comparison, the 5 bikes with the Honda derived engine are much more evenly matched in terms of power outputs with the CB Unicorn/Achiever making just 4.3% less power than the Dazzler/Hunk/CBZ-X. Impulse is based more on the old CBZ/CBZ Star engine.
P.P.S.: It would be better if you stick to topic and avoid using words which get *** by the system.

It was not for my personal gain or to ask somebody to buy a specific bike but was trying to show how we are fooled by some two wheeler manufacturers marketing the same or almost the same bike in different names with some cosmetic changes.
I think you too don’t think altering gear ratio or modifying exhaust is not designing a new engine. We, the bikers are accepting anything with cosmetic changes as new product.
Anyway, difference in the speed or acceleration of the bikes we mentioned is zero or nominal.
And, thanks for correcting me.

Hi thanks a lot for sharing your ownership experiences. I took test drive of SZR and FZ last weekend. I was not able to feel any difference in smoothness, ride quality, comfort level in these two bikes. Riding posture of FZ seems to be little sportish than SZR but I liked SZR more due to its longer seat, easy readability of console readings, gear lever, silencer...whooo it looks like machine gun. Both bikes feel like yamaha paid too much attention to these bikes, electric start was just at a flick of button and very smooth.
for SZR.... Petrol tank really feels BIG when u ride the bike, gives feel of driving sport bike !

My scale is bit inclined towards SZR for its sheer practicality. Will keep you posted.

Well I am quoting what i heard from Yamaha showroom.... SZ and FZ have different pistons though exactly same engine block, sure they could also have different sprockets specifications.

OT Alert!

There are quite a lot difference in both the bikes, FZ/Fazer have taller 5th gear and I could feel the difference when I rode my friends Fazer. There is difference between low end of both the bikes SZ-R has better low end than FZ/Fazer, but tha difference between 12.1 PS and 14 PS can be felt post 7500 RPM, FZ/Fazer felt quite relaxed than SZ-R.

Yamaha India site shows exactly same bore and piston size and also same Compression ratio for SZ-R and FZ/Fazer, not sure what do they mean by different piston. And yes there is a difference in Sprockets, SZ-R have 14/42 sprocket setup exactly same as R15 v1 and FZ/Fazer has 14/40 sprocket setup. I am very eager to check how does 15/40 (15 front from Unicorn or Pulsars and 40 from FZ/Fazer) would fair on SZ-R. But I dont think I will play with it any sooner and moreover I have no idea whether it will work with current setup or not.

PS: May be we should start the thread Difference between SZ-R and FZ/Fazer in Pit Stop General biking discussion or in Universal thread :P, but never mind, people dont even pay attention to this ownership thread so starting that thread in there would be a waste of time and resource.

Cheers!

- Lalit