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  • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

    ^^^ someone asked my opinion about the big bore setup and whether it's reliable or not. I will place some facts on the table, and leave it up to you to form your opinions:

    Facts:
    1. I have run a big bore 165cc, revised geometry head, valve springs, free flow exhaust, RD programmable ECU, Simota air filter.

    2. I have recorded 0 - 100 kmph run at 9.5 seconds on highly accurate GTech data logger. Stock bikes have been recorded at around 14 seconds.

    3. The above setup ran for 15,000 kms before I had a catastrophic ring land failure. Fortunately due to the practice of changing oil every 2,000 kms, we detected aluminum debris in the oil which led us to opening the engine and discovering the issue before I had a completely blown engine on my hands. We have now used this opportunity to strip the engine completely down and blue print it.

    4. We never sorted out the fueling of the bike. The fuel maps provided were so rich that they were virtually impossible to run. I never got the support required to sort the issue out. Ultimately I had to resort to reading the plug and making changes to the map. Which is a hit and miss method which will have you constantly making adjustments every few days depending on changes in weather, state of tune. Also the ignition map was too radical and was actually for closed circuit racing.

    Point 4 was brought in sharp contrast when I ordered a Micro Fuel controller from AreaP, USA, for my Ninja300 with a custom fuel map for my custom setup. The fuel map loaded was spot on and I have not had to go back to AreaP for any adjustments. Just imagine on one hand here is a company that is 12,000 kms away in a different continent which based on my inputs created a fuel map that is so close to perfect that to get any further improvements I have no choice but to put the bike on a dyno. On the other hand we have someone who is about 1,500 kms in the same country who is not able to give a fuel map which will run properly on a setup that was supplied by him.

    For people who want to get into hot rodding, here are a few thoughts to ponder on from someone who has been doing it for 20 years:

    1. This is a very expensive hobby. There is a huge element of risks involved out there. Do not get into it if you have a risk averse personality.

    2. Expect more failures than success as it's a journey of knowledge and experience.

    3. If you want street reliability stick to stock setup. While street reliability is possible, it's very difficult to achieve. This is not a hobby for the faint hearted.

    4. Hot rodding invariably leads to higher engine component wear. Expect to replace parts sooner rather than later.

    5. Right fueling is the key, without getting a handle on this key parameter all your hardware is just junk.

    6. A lot of dubious information floating out there, do your research before you undertake any project.

    Hope the above helps people make informed decisions on the subject.





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    • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

      have an r15 v2 with 2550km on odo.
      My bike has undergone the first 2 free services @ perfect riders, jayanagar, Bangalore.
      I have been troubled with tappet noise issue since around 500 kms.

      1st service -passed away as normal.

      2nd service@1950km - corrected only to a certain extent. Svc Says it's ok to ride it with some noise.

      Now @ 2500km the tappet noise has increased too much > than before 2nd service.
      I have to agree that I have ridden the bike hard during my last highway run where I touched a top speed of 145.
      And I had done 500 km in a single day but most of it was @ speeds of 70-90.

      I want your advice as to

      1. If I should take it back to perfect riders svc and get it corrected?

      2. Is there any better svc in Bangalore that I should visit and get it rectified. I live in padmanabhabagar and nearest svc is MSPL.

      3.Will I be charges to get it corrected (if yes, how much) or does it come under warranty.

      Thank you in advance for your valuable inputs.

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      • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

        Originally posted by akhilash95 View Post
        have an r15 v2 with 2550km on odo.
        My bike has undergone the first 2 free services @ perfect riders, jayanagar, Bangalore.
        I have been troubled with tappet noise issue since around 500 kms.

        1st service -passed away as normal.

        2nd service@1950km - corrected only to a certain extent. Svc Says it's ok to ride it with some noise.

        Now @ 2500km the tappet noise has increased too much > than before 2nd service.
        I have to agree that I have ridden the bike hard during my last highway run where I touched a top speed of 145.
        And I had done 500 km in a single day but most of it was @ speeds of 70-90.

        I want your advice as to

        1. If I should take it back to perfect riders svc and get it corrected?

        2. Is there any better svc in Bangalore that I should visit and get it rectified. I live in padmanabhabagar and nearest svc is MSPL.

        3.Will I be charges to get it corrected (if yes, how much) or does it come under warranty.

        Thank you in advance for your valuable inputs.
        Try getting valve clearance done at Orion motors, Koramangala. I got it done at a local mechanic as I wasn't bothered about warrenty. It would take 3-4 hours based on what time you give the bike and day. They will charge around 350 bucks.
        I have some issue with respect to the same and when I had been to Perfect Riders, Jayanagar I was told there seems no problem and engine need to run for 1500-2000 after clearance of valves are done. I left kind of satisfied on hearing that.

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        • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

          Originally posted by incipient View Post
          Its simple, the R15 v1 did just as well as the V2 with 80 section front and 100 rear.

          So why the bigger tires?
          well, there are some design differences between v1 and v2. difference in mass distribution, aerodynamic changes, etc (i think wheelbase too ? too lazy to go back and compare the specs about it at the moment), which necessitates a change in suspension settings too, which is intimately linked to the optimal tyre size and characteristics..anyway.

          let's not talk about moto3 though :P that's too hi-fi stuff, those bikes differ in shitload of things compared to road bikes, we need to know a lot about it properly to discuss about those more powerful bikes with thinner tyres...i dont know enough about their specs and engineering.


          Originally posted by incipient View Post
          But it took a leap of faith to lean it any further.

          Even now if i flick it hard into full lean (i generally avoid doing that on the streets) there is a bit of an Oh! moment when you feel that maybe you lost traction. But you gotta trust the tires and your own abilities.
          totally same for me too mate..it's so awesome in falling quickly into the corners and then remaining rock solid stable..in moments when one thinks "oh **** maybe i am too near the edge of traction to be lost any moment" (:P), it indeed requires a leap of faith (nice and highly appropriate choice of phrase to describe it) and a little extra trust in the bike and one's own skills in those "oh! moments"..

          i love how beautifully this bike falls into the corners and how solidly maintains its composure at mid-corners even in presence of road undulations..i am still much newer to this bike than most of you, so i guess i am going to be at awe at it about this for a long long time before getting used to it...it's like an addiction, throwing it into corners, despite the fact that i got only a handful of nice empty corners around my area. having the rear slide a little while you are leaned over a corner is another awesomest feeling

          i learned riding (and also a bit of cornering) on a scooty :P rode it for 10 straight years, then rode someone's CBZ a little for first time bike practice and experience 2 weeks before buying R15 and then bought the R15 :P
          Last edited by aditya_YZF-R15; 01-13-2014, 03:21 AM.

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          • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

            returned to bangalore yesterday evening. completed 17k on ODO and did about 1800kms from 26th dec to 12th jan, consisting of 5 days of riding and other days i stayed in mysore. few pics for you guys will make a Tlog soon and post many pics there.

            "Sometimes its hard to say which is the best Ride of the year, But i have no doubt that this was indeed the best. Its ironic to say that i was about to pull out of the ride at the last minute after 2 riders backed out, especially saquib. The 15 Riders were a perfect blend of every type of individual. I in my life have never seen these kind of endless curves!! kudos to TN roads. I thank each n every person who came for this ride and made it the best! not to forget the kicks i got in the morning
            The curves, the fun, the mimicries, the local chai adda, the super chicken kababs, the brotherhood, bikes roaring, catching attention of everyone.... list is endless !!!
            A total of 1300kms!!

            All pics are taken from my phone. Thanks to few others who clicked my pics "

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            • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

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              • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                Hello everyone

                I am from mumbai own and R15 v2.0 4 months old and have clocked 10600 on the meter

                She is one of the sweetest ride ever

                Any R15 riders wanna get along from navi mumbai

                We are 7 R15ers and couple of Sbks

                What's app on 8082257763 if any one wishes to ride along

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                • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                  I want both the headlamps to switch on low beam. I know that such a setup has been done by someone on R15 V1.
                  1.Can this setup be done without splicing wires?
                  2.Will it result in battery drain?
                  3.Will the svc mech do it for me?


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                  • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                    Originally posted by akhilash95 View Post
                    I want both the headlamps to switch on low beam. I know that such a setup has been done by someone on R15 V1.
                    1.Can this setup be done without splicing wires?
                    2.Will it result in battery drain?
                    3.Will the svc mech do it for me?


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                    You can do it with the help of a small wire and without slicing any stock wires. Yes, it will drain the battery more and your svc mech might do it. It depends.
                    Ride, ride and ride.. But always do it responsibly..

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                    • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                      Originally posted by Ivin View Post
                      You can do it with the help of a small wire and without slicing any stock wires. Yes, it will drain the battery more and your svc mech might do it. It depends.
                      Battery drain as in like hid where there is complete drainage in few hours of riding. Or in general that more power is used up since two filaments are at work.

                      Is it really worth it are might cause unwanted problems.


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                      • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                        Hello friends I'm new to this forum.. I need your opinion on changing my r15 v2 mrf stock tyre to much fatter tyre with same 130"(I mean more aspect ratio, correct me if I'm wrong) I want to get clarify few things.....
                        1. Are they available ? If so please tell me the brand name and complete size specs in 130".
                        2. Do I need to remove the entire wheel hugger or if this could be ok to cut half of the portion?

                        Looking forward to your valuable thoughts:-)

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                        • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                          Originally posted by akhilash95 View Post
                          Battery drain as in like hid where there is complete drainage in few hours of riding. Or in general that more power is used up since two filaments are at work.

                          Is it really worth it are might cause unwanted problems.


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                          No, not like hid's and all. More load on battery, thats all. I did it earlier, but its all stock now, the only difference is your right side will also lit up, not much of a difference.

                          Originally posted by Suresh@yammie View Post
                          Hello friends I'm new to this forum.. I need your opinion on changing my r15 v2 mrf stock tyre to much fatter tyre with same 130"(I mean more aspect ratio, correct me if I'm wrong) I want to get clarify few things.....
                          1. Are they available ? If so please tell me the brand name and complete size specs in 130".
                          2. Do I need to remove the entire wheel hugger or if this could be ok to cut half of the portion?

                          Looking forward to your valuable thoughts:-)

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                          1. What is your purpose ? If you are sticking to 130 size itself, you just cannot find a better tyre at that price than the stock tyres.
                          2. Cut half, or mud from Tyre goes straight into the monoshock.
                          Ride, ride and ride.. But always do it responsibly..

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                          • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                            Originally posted by Ivin View Post
                            No, not like hid's and all. More load on battery, thats all. I did it earlier, but its all stock now, the only difference is your right side will also lit up, not much of a difference.



                            1. What is your purpose ? If you are sticking to 130 size itself, you just cannot find a better tyre at that price than the stock tyres.
                            2. Cut half, or mud from Tyre goes straight into the monoshock.
                            [MENTION=35455]Ivin[/MENTION]: Thanks for your advise bro ...I feel the rear tyre is bit on a thinner side while seeing from behind I have cut the hugger half portion this might be the reason the rear tyre looks so lean. I would compromise the price if the tyre size available . Meanwhile I don't want to jump into 140" I want to stock to the 130 ( i.e. 130/80/17 65p) .

                            Thanks

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                            • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                              Originally posted by Suresh@yammie View Post
                              @Ivin: Thanks for your advise bro ...I feel the rear tyre is bit on a thinner side while seeing from behind I have cut the hugger half portion this might be the reason the rear tyre looks so lean. I would compromise the price if the tyre size available . Meanwhile I don't want to jump into 140" I want to stock to the 130 ( i.e. 130/80/17 65p) .

                              Thanks

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                              What you want to do on the tyre or up-sizing the tyre will effect the handling of the bike. The Tyre you told will kill the cornering characteristic of the bike. Dont just look into the looks of the tyre .Try to be practical.
                              Ride, ride and ride.. But always do it responsibly..

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                              • Re: Yamaha YZF-R15 version 2.0

                                Originally posted by Ivin View Post
                                What you want to do on the tyre or up-sizing the tyre will effect the handling of the bike. The Tyre you told will kill the cornering characteristic of the bike. Dont just look into the looks of the tyre .Try to be practical.
                                Thanks bro... you made a valid point. I don't want to get the look for the expense of r15's unleashed performance and cornering.
                                I will stick to the stock tyres as you suggested...

                                Thanks

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