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**Sanchit Arora** · 09-16-2013, 06:19 PM

Re: Tiger Duke

Originally posted by Srvn View Post

@Sanchit Arora Duke in that livery indeed looks like a Tiger

A few Q's concerning your windscreen:

Can you tell me how does that Fazer windscreen fare on high speed run at say 100/120+ kph?
Does it has any undue vibrations?
Remember, last time you posted a pic of your Duke with Fazer windscreen along with steps for installing it, that pic had couple of iron rods connecting windscreen to the handle bar which i do not see, hence the above questions...

How much protection it offer from the wind blast?

Thanks,
Saravanan

Thanx Saravanan...

The windscreen does its job, I did try Kedar's Bike with no windscreen yesterday - [MENTION=62961]wallpapers123[/MENTION] . And the difference is quite noticeable. Now the wind doesn't hit the chest..major relief at high speeds...

Also the connecting rods are still there, you cant see them from the front (A Job Well Done)

, but you'd notice 2 bolts above the standard 4 nut bracket. Those are holding the windscreen and not to forget, vibration free !!!

But I think, the fitting part can still be improved, I have an idea in mind, but am unable to execute it due to hectic work schedule. I hope to do it before any long trip.. Will definitely update if done...

Also, if you are trying to fit Fazer's windscreen, I can suggest you what I've in mind. It would be more easy & you wouldn't need those rods from the handle bar then.

**chinmayakar** · 09-16-2013, 06:30 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Thats a nice one Chethan.

If I understood you correctly, RD piggy back ECU takes care of the speed limiter?

Right now you are running bike with stock sprocket and RD piggy back ECU?

I had been to a ride where a guy had Piggy back ECU from RD, he said RD ECU kicks in from half throttle on wards. So, basically bottom end would remain the same as stock Duke.

With Kiirus, there is no such condition. Also, with Kiirus, bike is lot more smoother without sacrificing the FUN element of the bike. I can hold on to any gear for a longer time as compared to a stock where you have to shift ASAP.

In a drag, my bike beats a stock Duke by a comfortable margin.

However, if RD piggy back ECU too gives a stronger bottom and mid range along with taking care of the speed limiter it should be fun. How much did they charge you? You can PM me the cost if you do not want to reveal here.

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**NY:17** · 09-16-2013, 07:24 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi even I would like to join you guys fro the testing.I have got a stock Duke.What time are you guys planning to go?

**chinmayakar** · 09-16-2013, 07:35 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

You are welcome my friend. Please PM me your name and number, we will take it from there. Which part of Mumbai are you from?

**ragharsh** · 09-16-2013, 07:37 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi santana... I stayed in andheri so I made this bracket from my local welder.... If u show this pic's to any good experienced metal welder.. He'll do it as wanted.

**sanjana k** · 09-16-2013, 08:33 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

You are welcome my friend. Please PM me your name and number, we will take it from there. Which part of Mumbai are you from?

hey even i hav a stock duke, i wud also lyk to join u all. I am from vashi

**Big bore** · 09-16-2013, 08:33 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Chethan Shivakumar View Post

[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] and [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION] before i did suggest that going for a 40T sprocket will be better. No doubt that will be little relaxed and you can hit a little more top end in that. But here is the observation i made over the last 2 full tanks of run. The entire way how the load is applied and the fueling will change completely when you do this. So to compensate this the ECU will start running rich mixture there by bike wont feel so lively as a stock bike.This effect is partly due to the fact that its running a taller sprocket but the whole feeling of the bike changes and if observed carefully and you can make out. So you guys take a call accordingly if you want to go for the 40T or not.

Few days back i have got the Race dynamics piggy back ECU and trying a whole lot of things and pretty happy with the results.

Reason i personally went for a piggy back Vs a remap
* The fun of tuning you bike yourself will get you a lot more closer to every reaction or change in the bikes behavior
* You can keep playing around with it anytime you want and what every maps you want, be it aggressive map when your in a sprinting mode or eco mode when you want to extract best out of it or a mix of both
* Below are the FE fig's all testing in perfect Bangalore mid to peak traffic times, the Fig will be a lot better in less traffic areas and highways - Fuel used in all tests is Shell super
- Best FE figs in stock ECU - 34.5 - 35.3kmpl (43T rear Sprocket)
- Best FE with Stock ECU and 40T sprocket - 30.8kmpl
- Best FE with race dynamics piggy back ecu(RD's map) and 43T sprocket - 36.8kmpl
- Best FE on a economy map i tried - 40.2kmpl
- Best FE on a mild aggressive map i tried, where in i was at least 2 secs quicker than the stock KTM - 37.2Kmpl
- Best FE on a real aggressive map i tried was 33kmpl the initials are almost close to a power wheelie till 4th gear
* Its always safe to play around with a piggy back as you ll only be altering very little things yet will make a significant change but at the same time its reverse able pretty easily
* Dont need to worry abt the warranty as its plug and play can remove it when i leave the bike at the svc
* I can keep changing the maps based on my riding requirements and mod requirements
* The most important of all points the speed limiter is removed and i dont have to worry about removing some wires for it
* The RD's map is supposed to do a top end of around 150 but haven't got a chance to try till so much due to a lot of wind drag and rains in the last few days, the last i tried was 140 without any hiccups ( assuming with a 40T sprocket achieving 155 -160 should be possible need to try it some day)
* The rpm limiter can be set according to what i want right now its at 11,503 and its the same limiter in all gears, even in 5th and 6th gear so that helps the pulling in the top end
* In future with just a few changes i can use it on any of the bikes that use a ECU ( R15 or CBR or Bullet 500) so return on investment is higher

Next planned upgrades are:
-Engine Ice coolant
- Spark plug
- If i retain this bike for longer time will get a mild cam ( that's a big IF

)
- Stock chain sprocket 42T, it should improve the over all drive ability with out a lot of effect on any calc of the ECU( there might be slight effect which can hardly be felt)

Will post the spark plug pics soon to show the burning in each maps which may give a better comparison.

Great review there bro, did you pay extra to get the speed limiter removed or was it included in the cost of ECU.

**sanjana k** · 09-16-2013, 08:34 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by ragharsh View Post

Hi santana... I stayed in andheri so I made this bracket from my local welder.... If u show this pic's to any good experienced metal welder.. He'll do it as wanted.

Koool thanks

**chinmayakar** · 09-16-2013, 11:04 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by sanjana k View Post

hey even i hav a stock duke, i wud also lyk to join u all. I am from vashi

Check your whats app Sameer..

**Chethan Shivakumar** · 09-17-2013, 02:28 AM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

Thats a nice one Chethan.

If I understood you correctly, RD piggy back ECU takes care of the speed limiter?

Right now you are running bike with stock sprocket and RD piggy back ECU?

I had been to a ride where a guy had Piggy back ECU from RD, he said RD ECU kicks in from half throttle on wards. So, basically bottom end would remain the same as stock Duke.

With Kiirus, there is no such condition. Also, with Kiirus, bike is lot more smoother without sacrificing the FUN element of the bike. I can hold on to any gear for a longer time as compared to a stock where you have to shift ASAP.

In a drag, my bike beats a stock Duke by a comfortable margin.

However, if RD piggy back ECU too gives a stronger bottom and mid range along with taking care of the speed limiter it should be fun. How much did they charge you? You can PM me the cost if you do not want to reveal here.

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If I understood you correctly, RD piggy back ECU takes care of the speed limiter? Yes
Right now you are running bike with stock sprocket and RD piggy back ECU? Yes 43T sprocket that came in my bike
I had been to a ride where a guy had Piggy back ECU from RD, he said RD ECU kicks in from half throttle on wards. So, basically bottom end would remain the same as stock Duke.
Yes your right the stock map from RD is similar in the initial except for a little better linear acceleration than stock and not out right its from the 4-5k rpm that it picks up where you can feel the difference. But that's the fun of tuning it according to your needs right now mine is outright acceleration + very strong mid and a little better top end than stock because i mostly use it for city riding not tuned it for top end when i want to go testing i have my top speed map ready and can flash in on the go and i am done.

With Kiirus map i haven't ridden it so cant comment but from what i have understood by the way you guys says its a nicely paced out map keeping in consideration all the factors, city and highways riding so should be a good overall map. And about the holding to any gear for longer time you mean time and distance wise i guess and not RPM wise because its locked to 11.5k RPM from 1-4th gear and 5 n 6 is around 10 i think not sure. Or is it 11.5k RPM in all the gears?

Drag part pretty much expected

would be fun if i can find a remapped Duke in Bangalore and see how my maps fig out against it

See that's the part which takes lot of your effort in understanding what needs to be done as its a piggy back ECU. The key to it is not over do any trim because the moment you over do a certain trim the ECU will sense that there is a significant change and try to somehow get it back to factory set up stage which will obviously defeat the purpose of having an ECU. There is a levy of around +/- 1-5 in the values we enter, now where and how we change is what defines the way you want the bike to run. If you ask me my liking is i want a quick bike which can do 120 in a really quick breeze and then a linear top speed of 140-150 at the max with no choking effects. like it happens in stock duke from 125 onwards most of the times ( i wish i had audio file adding option here where i can explain with sound

)as there are hardly any roads where you can carry these speeds for longer duration. Since that's my preference my maps are generally with really strong bottom end and mid end(close to power wheelie effect till 1st 4 gears) paired with the top end linear curve which is a tad better than the stock curve without choking effect.

I paid 15k all inclusive

Originally posted by Big bore View Post

Great review there bro, did you pay extra to get the speed limiter removed or was it included in the cost of ECU.

Its included in the cost

**chinmayakar** · 09-17-2013, 09:00 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hello Guys!!! What a wonderful day it turned out to be today!! I took off from office for the test that we had planned today, and my leave was well spent

Thanks a lot to everyone Amit, Nilesh, Mitra, Yogesh & Abhay. Me and Amit met Abhay at KTM Service Centre, Ghatkopar. After servicing we rode to Sion and from there we were joined by Nilesh. Sorry Sameer for having missed you. We tried to call you but no one answered the call.

About our rides:
Me - Duke with 32 teeth sprocket and Kirrus remap
Abhay - 33 teeth sprocket with FFE
Nilesh - Stock Duke with 33 teeth
Amit - Stock Duke with 32 teeth
Mitra - Yamaha R15 v2

Finally we reached Palm Beach Road and started our tests. Drag, Roll on test from 40 km/hr at 5th gear

In all the tests Abhays Duke with FFE was clear winner. It beats my Remapped Duke hands down.

Mine and Abhays bike was faster than the stock Dukes, however, his FFE is mind blowing

First time I rode Abhays bike from Sion to Vashi, I could feel it was more powerful than my bike. Bottom end and mid range is quite awesome. It keeps pulling brilliantly even after 120 km/hr.

His FFE was a prototype that he got made. There is one more design that we have to test, and then final product will be made from Stainless Steel with better finish.

At the end of the day we swapped our ECU's and were too tired to carry out any drag tests.

A very nice day.

**sonu611** · 09-17-2013, 09:01 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=64067]Big bore[/MENTION] [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION] and any other guys who changed the coolant, could you please tell me the amount of coolant required to do a complete replacement.
ie the amount that is required to be filled in case of a coolant flush and also if possible please tell me which pipe they removed to drain the coolant.

I noticed the bike running too hot after the last service when the coolant was replaced and finally decided to check the coolant in the bike, it looks too green to me (less water more coolant). I am planning to replace the coolant myself, as I think even an untrained idiot like myself can do better job than the ASC guys.
I am planning to remove the pipe at the bottom of the radiator, flush with tap water a couple of times and then fill in normal coolant at 2(water):1(coolant) ratio.

**Big bore** · 09-17-2013, 09:11 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by sonu611 View Post

[MENTION=64067]Big bore[/MENTION] [MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION] and any other guys who changed the coolant, could you please tell me the amount of coolant required to do a complete replacement.
ie the amount that is required to be filled in case of a coolant flush and also if possible please tell me which pipe they removed to drain the coolant.

I noticed the bike running too hot after the last service when the coolant was replaced and finally decided to check the coolant in the bike, it looks too green to me (less water more coolant). I am planning to replace the coolant myself, as I think even an untrained idiot like myself can do better job than the ASC guys.
I am planning to remove the pipe at the bottom of the radiator, flush with tap water a couple of times and then fill in normal coolant at 2(water):1(coolant) ratio.

See in my case the hose that goes from the radiator to the water pump(that's what he called it) was removed.
Actually it's clamped and should be removed with pliers.
The drain bolt should also be removed for better flushing.

**sonu611** · 09-17-2013, 09:22 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Big bore View Post

See in my case the hose that goes from the radiator to the water pump(that's what he called it) was removed.
Actually it's clamped and should be removed with pliers.
The drain bolt should also be removed for better flushing.

There is a drain bolt!!. I thought there was none because i did not see any. Can you tell me where the drain bolt is. is it inside the belly pan?

**ynike99** · 09-17-2013, 09:40 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION], nice to meet u all.
Yup even i agree to the ffe being more powerful.just it should be more appealing to eyes.even i may have it, if it looks good and keeps the gc same.btw, having ridden ur bike, i didnt experience sea of change which i had expected from kiirus.imo, what it had was extended rev limiter which helped in pulling the bike more in each gear.low end was bit more, but mid and high were similar.No kiirus for me.wasnt that great..Im happy with my stock 43 teeth setup and snorkel removed.anyways, different riders, different needs..just inform me of the developements on exhaust though.meet u all soon.

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