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**Samarth 619** · 03-24-2012, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post

Ok, thinking of trying it now. Can you name a few, specially cheap (but good) ones which are easily available?

I use a chain spray called "Release on" which I got for around Rs. 250 from Jaipur... Its good enough and does the job of keeping water and dirt away.
I've no other such experience with chain sprays as I have started using O-Ring chains lately only.

Motul also makes some good branded chain sprays & lubricants. Not sure about Shell though.

**Honda_CBF** · 03-24-2012, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

I use a chain spray called "Release on" which I got for around Rs. 250 from Jaipur... Its good enough and does the job of keeping water and dirt away.
I've no other such experience with chain sprays as I have started using O-Ring chains lately only.

Motul also makes some good branded chain sprays & lubricants. Not sure about Shell though.

thanks for all the info & help buddy, that too from bottom of the heart. Tried looking for chain sprays but got none available at local shops, will try the showrooms now.
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Btw, i've got this hard feeling that my issues are tatally OT here, so will contact/disturb you via PM's, if needed. :-)

**rreneav1987** · 04-01-2012, 09:58 AM

Hey Guys..

I am new to the thread and this is my first post on xbhp though am a member for a long time. I own a ZMR and i have completed 17000kms.. I would like to change the sprockets ( Of course after its worn out

) Can you guys with your experience tell me the best direct fit (if possible front as i read from previous posts that P220's rear is a direct fit) to make my ZMR get a better top end?? I guess the Achiever has got a 15T in front, would that fit directly? or which ones do you suggest? Awaiting your experienced replies

**Samarth 619** · 04-01-2012, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Hey Guys..

I am new to the thread and this is my first post on xbhp though am a member for a long time. I own a ZMR and i have completed 17000kms.. I would like to change the sprockets ( Of course after its worn out

) Can you guys with your experience tell me the best direct fit (if possible front as i read from previous posts that P220's rear is a direct fit) to make my ZMR get a better top end?? I guess the Achiever has got a 15T in front, would that fit directly? or which ones do you suggest? Awaiting your experienced replies

Hi Dude,
Achiever's front end most probably should not fit your bike as its not .520 pitch. Not too sure though. Secondly, you have these recommended choices to overgear your bike:

1. Pulsar 200's sprocket which is 38 teeth.
2. Pulsar 220 DTS Fi's sprocket which is 37 teeth.

But please keep in mind that Karizma's chain is very long. It has 108 links. Senior Pulsar's (220/200) usually have 104 links. So, you'll have to purchase 2 chain sprocket kits: One from Karizma and other from one of the senior Pulsars. This is the info about Karizma's overgearing:

1. Front Sprocket: ONLY Karizma's stock 13T sprocket will fit.
2. Chain: Usually Karizma's Chain, or if you have chosen 37 teeth sprocket then maybe P220's smaller chain.
3. Rear Sprocket: from Pulsar 220/200.

If you can get P200's rear sprocket separately, then it should be economical enough.

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@ All others: Guys, I have updated the first page with MORE INFO as to how to calculate the chain length and choose the correct length for your bike.
See Post #8 on the first page for it.

**rreneav1987** · 04-02-2012, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

Hi Dude,
Achiever's front end most probably should not fit your bike as its not .520 pitch. Not too sure though. Secondly, you have these recommended choices to overgear your bike:

1. Pulsar 200's sprocket which is 38 teeth.
2. Pulsar 220 DTS Fi's sprocket which is 37 teeth.

But please keep in mind that Karizma's chain is very long. It has 108 links. Senior Pulsar's (220/200) usually have 104 links. So, you'll have to purchase 2 chain sprocket kits: One from Karizma and other from one of the senior Pulsars. This is the info about Karizma's overgearing:

1. Front Sprocket: ONLY Karizma's stock 13T sprocket will fit.
2. Chain: Usually Karizma's Chain, or if you have chosen 37 teeth sprocket then maybe P220's smaller chain.
3. Rear Sprocket: from Pulsar 220/200.

If you can get P200's rear sprocket separately, then it should be economical enough.

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@ All others: Guys, I have updated the first page with MORE INFO as to how to calculate the chain length and choose the correct length for your bike.
See Post #8 on the first page for it.

Hi Bro,

THanks for your quick response. so there only choice i have are the rear 37T of P220Fi or the 38T of P200, right??

hmmm..

so you suggest me to use P220's chain instead of ZMR's, right? By the way.. Details Nicely put.. Thanks

**Samarth 619** · 04-03-2012, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Hi Bro,
THanks for your quick response. so there only choice i have are the rear 37T of P220Fi or the 38T of P200, right??

hmmm..

so you suggest me to use P220's chain instead of ZMR's, right? By the way.. Details Nicely put.. Thanks

Hi,

Apart from the 37 teeth and 38 teeth, these may fit but I don't suggest them:

1. The 36 teeth from P220 DTSi (recent 2011 model) will overgear heavily. Since, Karizma already has a long fifth gear, I do NOT recommend putting this 36T.

2. The 39 teeth from P180 UG4 won't overgear by much as your stock sprocket is already 40 teeth. It would be wasted money. NOT recommended.

And No, I'm not suggesting you to use P220's chain. All I'm saying is use whichever fits. And most probably, only ZMA's chain will fit. So, use that only. Best of luck.

**rreneav1987** · 04-05-2012, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

Hi,

Apart from the 37 teeth and 38 teeth, these may fit but I don't suggest them:

1. The 36 teeth from P220 DTSi (recent 2011 model) will overgear heavily. Since, Karizma already has a long fifth gear, I do NOT recommend putting this 36T.

2. The 39 teeth from P180 UG4 won't overgear by much as your stock sprocket is already 40 teeth. It would be wasted money. NOT recommended.

And No, I'm not suggesting you to use P220's chain. All I'm saying is use whichever fits. And most probably, only ZMA's chain will fit. So, use that only. Best of luck.

Hey guys.. I finally decided to try on the 36T of P220 Dtsi.. the pick is not lost much but yes, i am not able to do a wheelie like i usually used to.. but that didn't matter..

Gonna test the bike in 2 weeks on highways to Auli from Delhi.. will let you guys know the outcome.. its just a risk that i ve put across on my Black Pearl..

Before changing sprockets.. me and my friend checked for the speed at 5000RPM of every gear.. we arrived at the following..

1st Gear - 22
2nd Gear - 36
3rd Gear - 48
4th Gear - 66
5th Gear - 77

**rreneav1987** · 04-07-2012, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

Hey guys.. I finally decided to try on the 36T of P220 Dtsi.. the pick is not lost much but yes, i am not able to do a wheelie like i usually used to.. but that didn't matter..

Gonna test the bike in 2 weeks on highways to Auli from Delhi.. will let you guys know the outcome.. its just a risk that i ve put across on my Black Pearl..

Before changing sprockets.. me and my friend checked for the speed at 5000RPM of every gear.. we arrived at the following..

1st Gear - 22
2nd Gear - 36
3rd Gear - 48
4th Gear - 66
5th Gear - 77

sorry guys.. got a bit confused with the new shifts.. here are the actual read outs before and after sprocketing..

Speeds at 5000RPM with the 40T rear sprocket on my ZMR..

1st Gear - 19kmph
2nd Gear - 29kmph
3rd Gear - 47kmph
4th Gear - 63kmph
5th Gear - 77kmph

Speeds at 5000RPM after changing to 36T rear Sprocket..

1st Gear - 26kmph
2nd Gear - 36kmph
3rd Gear - 55kmph
4th Gear - 71kmph
5th Gear - 86kmph

The Strain on the Engine has reduced and hence on highways.. its gonna be a smooother ride than before

tried Max till 9000RPM in first 3 gears... achieved a pretty decent speed

touched 101kmph at 9000RPM in 3rd gear

yet to touch the top speed..

**abhisheklalnediya** · 04-07-2012, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post

sorry guys.. got a bit confused with the new shifts.. here are the actual read outs before and after sprocketing..

Speeds at 5000RPM with the 40T rear sprocket on my ZMR..

1st Gear - 19kmph
2nd Gear - 29kmph
3rd Gear - 47kmph
4th Gear - 63kmph
5th Gear - 77kmph

Speeds at 5000RPM after changing to 36T rear Sprocket..

1st Gear - 26kmph
2nd Gear - 36kmph
3rd Gear - 55kmph
4th Gear - 71kmph
5th Gear - 86kmph

The Strain on the Engine has reduced and hence on highways.. its gonna be a smooother ride than before

tried Max till 9000RPM in first 3 gears... achieved a pretty decent speed

touched 101kmph at 9000RPM in 3rd gear

yet to touch the top speed..

will changing the sprocket affects mileage?
mine is cbz xtreme 2011,
aprox cost please...

**Samarth 619** · 04-07-2012, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by abhisheklalnediya View Post

will changing the sprocket affects mileage?
mine is cbz xtreme 2011,
aprox cost please...

If you overgear, it will give better highway mileage, and sometimes city mileage too.
For your CBZ Xtreme, the company setup is 14/43 with 126 links on .428 pitch. (Please confirm this by counting the teeth on your rear sprocket it they're 43). Chain length = 63 inches.
You may try classic CBZ setup, for more acceleration, which is 14/46 with 128 links, on .428 pitch. This should fit most probably.

Or for overgearing, try going for Ambition's setup of 14/38 teeth, but the ambition chain is smaller so you might have to purchase your original CBZ Xtreme's new chain again because chain length is smaller at 58 inches.
Or try getting a 15 teeth front sprocket from Honda Unicorn, for overgearing.

Cost of each original kit (Front sprocket, rear sprocket, chain) is approx. Rs. 600-800. But since you might need a separate chain you might have to purchase 2 kits.

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@ rreneav: I hope you didn't lose much acceleration. I warned you about 36 teeth sprocket earlier. Anyways good luck.

**rreneav1987** · 04-09-2012, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

@ rreneav: I hope you didn't lose much acceleration. I warned you about 36 teeth sprocket earlier. Anyways good luck.

Hey Buddy.. yeah.. the acceleration loss is not much and it is negligible

thanks to your advice mate..

just for the rear sprocket i had to purchase the entire P220's kit

but hey.. the bike is smoother now.. cos i ride at a constant speed of 60-70.. and am able to achieve this speed in 3000RPM in 5th gear

so less strain to the Engine..

**Honda_CBF** · 04-10-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

If you overgear, it will give better highway mileage, and sometimes city mileage too.

but heavy overgearing like shifting from 14T to 16T front sprocket may reduce city mileage. At least it happened to my stunner. Because of more gearshifts & some clutch riding on first two gears i Guess.

**Samarth 619** · 04-10-2012, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Honda_CBF View Post

but heavy overgearing like shifting from 14T to 16T front sprocket may reduce city mileage. At least it happened to my stunner. Because of more gearshifts & some clutch riding on first two gears i Guess.

Yes, that's why I said "sometimes" city mileage too.

The primary reason is less availability of torque at all rpm's, which forces you to shift more gears than required. Same thing happened when I used my P180 UG3 with a cheap 40 teeth sprocket. It was great on highways, but in the city, gearshifts increased.

So, if you can maintain 25 kmph in the top gear without stalling, it will increase to 28 or 30 after overgearing.

**rreneav1987** · 04-12-2012, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Samarth 619 View Post

Yes, that's why I said "sometimes" city mileage too.

The primary reason is less availability of torque at all rpm's, which forces you to shift more gears than required. Same thing happened when I used my P180 UG3 with a cheap 40 teeth sprocket. It was great on highways, but in the city, gearshifts increased.

So, if you can maintain 25 kmph in the top gear without stalling, it will increase to 28 or 30 after overgearing.

I tot that losing the pick up will spell me out of doing initial Wheelie's.. but actually.. its kinda easy for me to do the wheelie now.. infact.. better than before.. and what I noticed on my ZMR is that fuel indicator showing bigger figures after the over gearing.. and my gear shifts seem to be the same as how it used to be before.. maybe cos i don't shift much and my way to office is usually a straight road...

**thecivic** · 04-14-2012, 03:14 PM

Heyy guys... Ive got my 220f and it has done 11k kms till date. Its stock in condition and does a top speed of 142kmph. I would like to increase increase its top speed more... We've got guys doing 150 here on their 220's (i dont know what they have to their bikes)....even though i could screw them in the city Its really tough for me to stand with them on highways... Can you guys tell me what mods that i should do with my 220's spockets to increase my top speed...???

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