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  • #2746
    Originally posted by tintin708 View Post
    now my question is, regarding the knob actually, today morning i filled in 6 liters of speed petrol (i always fill speed) and found the knob to operate without any tightness. now this i have experienced every time i fill in 4 ltrs or more of petrol, but its not the case if i fill half or even 1 ltr petrol just above reserve. why is it so?? if knob operates loosely, the bikes responsiveness also improves, feels free and throttle reaction is also spontaneous..and if knob is tight, its the other way round..!! why???
    I am presently using 1to 2 ml of 2T in petrol in my Lancer car and ZMA..In lancer I had crossed 35 K Kms and my ZMA is a pre-owned one in which i had done 850Kms so far...I also use 1.5ml of Acetone along with 2T and have very good results.
    Coming to your problem , when was the last time you cleaned your petrol tank ?..You may have suspended mud which comes with petrol which when the level goes low starts gumming up flow and the little amount coming through the tap makes it also tight....just my guess..but do look into tank for muck at the bottom of it.
    When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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    • #2747
      Originally posted by psr View Post
      I am presently using 1to 2 ml of 2T in petrol in my Lancer car and ZMA..In lancer I had crossed 35 K Kms and my ZMA is a pre-owned one in which i had done 850Kms so far...I also use 1.5ml of Acetone along with 2T and have very good results.
      Coming to your problem , when was the last time you cleaned your petrol tank ?..You may have suspended mud which comes with petrol which when the level goes low starts gumming up flow and the little amount coming through the tap makes it also tight....just my guess..but do look into tank for muck at the bottom of it.
      Hehehe...!!! i have never cleaned the tank, nor have i cleaned the knob bowl!!! i will do it after 11th june...

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      • #2748
        @ALL @Psr

        Since yesterday i had been thinking about one factor which made the throttle feel light with the new carb.Today got it confirmed,the classic fiero does indeed have a throttle cam return spring of higher tension than that of the P180 carb.
        I had checked the stock carb spring and when Abhi was here to check my bike out,i did check the throttle feel and it indeed is the case.
        So it's neither the pilot circuit of the carb or the needle which made the throttle feel light.
        Now,does my girl scream? yes she's become a real screamer with the new carb!
        Abhi's bike's on a 14 teeth GB sprocket,which is same as mine, so the throttle feel was easy to detect as being mechanical.
        Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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        • #2749
          Can we install an extra clutch plate, or maybe 2 extra ??
          this will not need tighter springs right ?
          Can the bell hold it ?

          I am tired of clutch slippage...

          i read somewhere that one car had twin plates installed, to give a better clutch response, can't find that article, is it that it has 2 plates instead of 1 between the set of pressure plates ?? or its something else ??

          Besides, if this cannot be done then do you guys know of any clutch springs that are tighter than stock as well as direct fit ??

          @ gix

          Yup even i feel that.
          Giving a lot to a fiero.
          Expecting a lot from a fiero.

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          • #2750
            Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
            Can we install an extra clutch plate, or maybe 2 extra ??
            this will not need tighter springs right ?
            Can the bell hold it ?

            I am tired of clutch slippage...

            i read somewhere that one car had twin plates installed, to give a better clutch response, can't find that article, is it that it has 2 plates instead of 1 between the set of pressure plates ?? or its something else ??

            Besides, if this cannot be done then do you guys know of any clutch springs that are tighter than stock as well as direct fit ??

            @ gix

            Yup even i feel that.
            I think this can be done. I got it done for my Bullet. But in my case it was just a OEM replacement. Replaced with latest Bullet's clutch assembly which comes with tighter springs as well.

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            • #2751
              Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
              Can we install an extra clutch plate, or maybe 2 extra ??
              this will not need tighter springs right ?
              Can the bell hold it ?

              I am tired of clutch slippage...

              i read somewhere that one car had twin plates installed, to give a better clutch response, can't find that article, is it that it has 2 plates instead of 1 between the set of pressure plates ?? or its something else ??

              Besides, if this cannot be done then do you guys know of any clutch springs that are tighter than stock as well as direct fit ??

              @ gix

              Yup even i feel that.
              what are you trying to do,build up biceps on ur fingers.On a serious note joel has a set of harder springs,not sure though,or hunt for one.Compare the clutch bell with that of the a180,if possible swap it(i know its an expensive affair).
              Socha Toh Locha.

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              • #2752
                Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                Can we install an extra clutch plate, or maybe 2 extra ??
                this will not need tighter springs right ?
                Can the bell hold it ?

                I am tired of clutch slippage...

                i read somewhere that one car had twin plates installed, to give a better clutch response, can't find that article, is it that it has 2 plates instead of 1 between the set of pressure plates ?? or its something else ??

                Besides, if this cannot be done then do you guys know of any clutch springs that are tighter than stock as well as direct fit ??

                @ gix

                Yup even i feel that.
                Give me time,i'll find out from ZEN whether it can hold a extra pair of plates.

                @All

                I'll repeat again,for the record,not only on this forum(bprags,hydrabad fiero guy etc)and lots of fieros are running on 180 config without clutch issues.
                Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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                • #2753
                  Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                  Give me time,i'll find out from ZEN whether it can hold a extra pair of plates.

                  @All

                  I'll repeat again,for the record,not only on this forum(bprags,hydrabad fiero guy etc)and lots of fieros are running on 180 config without clutch issues.
                  Fieros , as I had been learning through this thread, are one tough engineered bike in most departments....including clutch , gear, and engine parts.One of the common tricks used to be done to increase clutch spring tension was to use 2 to 4 mm thick washers in the tightening nuts to compress the spring more.So I think there will be space for one plate at least to be added...however Gixxer being the owner AND technically competent person, will be able to give the correct answer to this..
                  When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                  • #2754
                    Originally posted by psr View Post
                    Fieros , as I had been learning through this thread, are one tough engineered bike in most departments....including clutch , gear, and engine parts.One of the common tricks used to be done to increase clutch spring tension was to use 2 to 4 mm thick washers in the tightening nuts to compress the spring more.So I think there will be space for one plate at least to be added...however Gixxer being the owner AND technically competent person, will be able to give the correct answer to this..
                    The classic fiero has hook type clutch springs.Mr Murthy has not been to ZEN from over a week ,so it should wait.

                    Like you've said ,fiero is a bike which has no clutch issues,even the OE replacement paper type clutch will last on tuned fieros.It depends on the competence of the mech to a great extent.

                    Then again,original alloy ones can be sourced too or with modifications even the RTR ones can be put too i believe.ZEN TVS prepares bikes for racing,so you can rest assured about what they say.
                    I did mention about the alternator mod done by nano while talking with Mr Murthy a while back and he was of the same opinion too that it might cause problems.All the modifications they do are performance oriented only,so he's alien to it.
                    Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 06-02-2011, 07:53 PM.
                    Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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                    • #2755
                      I am not referring fiero as a bike which has clutch issues.

                      All i am saying is that i am not happy with it, even when it was stock i wasn't very happy with it.

                      All other fiero's are also the same as i tried riding different fiero's back to back and i found the clutch to be the same.

                      All i ever said was that the 180 mod as well as the alternator thingy made it much easier to observe and made it much more sloppy.

                      But again, riding different bikes doesn't make me say this.
                      Maybe i use it very roughly.
                      Giving a lot to a fiero.
                      Expecting a lot from a fiero.

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                      • #2756
                        Got the bike serviced today,the 9 year old air filter foam literally disintegrated when it was being washed with petrol.So that and a slightly worn out throttle cable were replaced.Service cost ,with the above included 550 bucks.
                        Abhi Savitha babhi's co tuning?
                        Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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                        • #2757
                          Originally posted by NANOtechnology View Post
                          I am not referring fiero as a bike which has clutch issues.

                          All i am saying is that i am not happy with it, even when it was stock i wasn't very happy with it.

                          All other fiero's are also the same as i tried riding different fiero's back to back and i found the clutch to be the same.

                          All i ever said was that the 180 mod as well as the alternator thingy made it much easier to observe and made it much more sloppy.

                          But again, riding different bikes doesn't make me say this.
                          Maybe i use it very roughly.
                          Something has to be done,let's see what are the alternatives,the mech who serviced my bike(Not ZEN)asked a friend of his who had gone to TVS training and according to him the answer is pretty much what i knew from a long time.That the RTR shares the bell type with that of the Victor and fieros have different ones.Clutch cover of the RTR can't be put on the fiero crank case.This info is from a mech who got trained by TVS and works for a TVS dealership.But no such mechs know about modifying or tuning works,so i will ask the ZEN folks.
                          Life begins, once you hit the power band !!

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                          • #2758
                            Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                            Got the bike serviced today,the 9 year old air filter foam literally disintegrated when it was being washed with petrol.
                            no comments
                            Socha Toh Locha.

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                            • #2759
                              Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post

                              @All

                              I'll repeat again,for the record,not only on this forum(bprags,hydrabad fiero guy etc)and lots of fieros are running on 180 config without clutch issues.
                              I can vouch for that. I am myself running on a 180+ config with stock clutch for the past 7000 kms on a Suzuki Fiero. No issues what so ever. Shifts are butter smooth and no slippage.
                              **MaSh**

                              **Work to Ride and Ride to Work**

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                              • #2760
                                @Nano :- If you are using sem-synth or synth oil, then there is definitely going to be clutch slippage. I too have exp the same and have got the clutch plates replaced, in case you are on synth's just move back to mineral and everything will be fine. Right now I am running only on mineral oils.

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