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**saquib3005** · 07-25-2018, 12:33 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by s1d View Post

they are changing the valves ? Not adjusting the clearances by replacing shims ?
60k too early for new valves.

Have you seen the valves(not the complete intake valve setup) in R3. They are named as guide valves/valve pads.
Shims is just another name used for it.
And it's not like a R15 where just clearing or readjusting valves resolves tapper issues.
Even in CBRs at 40k+ shims goes off.

**Ashwiin Napster** · 07-25-2018, 02:35 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by saquib3005 View Post

When R3 was first launched in India in 2015 I was among the first who wanted to buy, but pricing killed my plans.
I wanted R3 because of brand name, boredom with my then existing smaller bike, powerful sports tourer features.

Luckily I got my hands on a brand new second hand bike(hardly 330kms run) in a steal deal(got it in a price which I wanted to).
Until then I have not regretted taking that decision.
Maintenance is much cheaper as compared to my existing bikes(R15 or Duke200)
I have tried following the service manual to an extent whenever time for oil change has come.
I have not done periodic servicing as suggested by manual because that is to early to do.
1) I have regularly changed engine oil(Motul 7100 10w40), air filter and oil filter every 5000kms
2) Changed spark plugs at every 20k kms(using NGK CR9E)
3) Changed front brake pads at 37k kms
4) Changed chain sprocket at 37k kms
5) Changed Fork oil at 25k and 50k
6) Changed Fork springs at 50k
7) Swing arm greasing at 30k
8) Wheel bearing greasing at 30k. Checked wheel bearings at 55k kms and they are good to continue
9) Have replaced low beam headlight multiple times as it gets fused in 400-500hrs usage
10) Rear brake pads still going good at 60k
11) Coneset still going good at 60k
12) Using K&N air filter from last 15k kms(Cost of filter 4700 and cost of recharger kit 1400)
13) Brake overhaul every 15k kms which include brake line bleeding with Dot4 oil, cleaning of calipers and discs and scrubbing brake pads with sand paper.
14) I clean and wash bike and chain every 900 kms and lube using Yamaha dry chain lube costing 1420 rupees a can and last around 8 sprays and use diesel to clean.

My Servicing at every 5000 kms have been usually oil change, oil filter change, clutch lever adjustment, brake adjustment, chain slack adjustment which amounts to under 3000 bucks including price of motul oil, oil filter cost, general service cost, washing and lubing.

So every 5000km cost me around 3000 maintenance cost and around 13500 rupees fuel(as per riding style).

Currently at 60k km at odo I have replaced tyres only once after running on MRF stock tyres for 23k kms, Michelin PSD for 35k kms and good to go for next 5k kms max. (Used Ralco and ceat combination for a trip and then didnt used).

I have not made changes on bike apart from replacing stock tyres, stock air filter and spark plugs.
Planning to get powerful headlamps, brakelines and another set of tyres soon.

Wow! That's a great write-up and review of your ownership [MENTION=57593]saquib3005[/MENTION]. Goes to show time and again the reliability of Yammie and the charm of owning one

**rushikesh.ware** · 07-25-2018, 03:29 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by saquib3005 View Post

When R3 was first launched in India in 2015 I was among the first who wanted to buy, but pricing killed my plans.
I wanted R3 because of brand name, boredom with my then existing smaller bike, powerful sports tourer features.

Luckily I got my hands on a brand new second hand bike(hardly 330kms run) in a steal deal(got it in a price which I wanted to).
Until then I have not regretted taking that decision.
Maintenance is much cheaper as compared to my existing bikes(R15 or Duke200)
I have tried following the service manual to an extent whenever time for oil change has come.
I have not done periodic servicing as suggested by manual because that is to early to do.
1) I have regularly changed engine oil(Motul 7100 10w40), air filter and oil filter every 5000kms
2) Changed spark plugs at every 20k kms(using NGK CR9E)
3) Changed front brake pads at 37k kms
4) Changed chain sprocket at 37k kms
5) Changed Fork oil at 25k and 50k
6) Changed Fork springs at 50k
7) Swing arm greasing at 30k
8) Wheel bearing greasing at 30k. Checked wheel bearings at 55k kms and they are good to continue
9) Have replaced low beam headlight multiple times as it gets fused in 400-500hrs usage
10) Rear brake pads still going good at 60k
11) Coneset still going good at 60k
12) Using K&N air filter from last 15k kms(Cost of filter 4700 and cost of recharger kit 1400)
13) Brake overhaul every 15k kms which include brake line bleeding with Dot4 oil, cleaning of calipers and discs and scrubbing brake pads with sand paper.
14) I clean and wash bike and chain every 900 kms and lube using Yamaha dry chain lube costing 1420 rupees a can and last around 8 sprays and use diesel to clean.

My Servicing at every 5000 kms have been usually oil change, oil filter change, clutch lever adjustment, brake adjustment, chain slack adjustment which amounts to under 3000 bucks including price of motul oil, oil filter cost, general service cost, washing and lubing.

So every 5000km cost me around 3000 maintenance cost and around 13500 rupees fuel(as per riding style).

Currently at 60k km at odo I have replaced tyres only once after running on MRF stock tyres for 23k kms, Michelin PSD for 35k kms and good to go for next 5k kms max. (Used Ralco and ceat combination for a trip and then didnt used).

I have not made changes on bike apart from replacing stock tyres, stock air filter and spark plugs.
Planning to get powerful headlamps, brakelines and another set of tyres soon.

Fantastic info Saquib. This is will help us a lot!
Just curious to know, how did you decide the intervals to carryout the inspection\replacement of parts?
All of the work was done at ASC?

Also, you have not installed any radiator guard, spools and frame sliders?

**s1d** · 07-25-2018, 03:50 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by saquib3005 View Post

Have you seen the valves(not the complete intake valve setup) in R3. They are named as guide valves/valve pads.
Shims is just another name used for it.
And it's not like a R15 where just clearing or readjusting valves resolves tapper issues.
Even in CBRs at 40k+ shims goes off.

I don't think u got what I tired to ask.
You mentioned that new valves have arrived.. And so I asked why new valves and not get just the adjustment done by replacing shims .
Even if u put new valves,they need to be adjusted for correct clearance by using right size shims.
A valve guide is different from a shim. Valve guide is what is what is pressed into the head and then the valve is inserted into the guide.
So please be clear on what parts are being replaced. And am pretty sure the r3 uses shims(which Yamaha might call pads ,they look looks like a coin cell and might be held in a small bucket kinda thingy) like the cbr, ktm.. And these are swapped/replaced to achieve necessary clearance. Other bikes say like splendor,pulsar etc use a more common nut type adjustment to correct clearances.
At 60k replacing anything other than shims to correct clearances is not normal imo.

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Originally posted by jawedsoft View Post

Exactly what I was trying to bring out. From what little I have learnt from the numerous videos of similar engines, the symptoms are pretty similar for the valve clearance adjustment and the valves going bad..(the knocking noise)...but in case of valves going bad, I understand that there will be significant loss of compression pressure as well which will lead to power loss...
But isolating the exact cause is a complex procedure and takes time..(source: R3forums). Even the valve clearance adjustment requires lots of labour because of which the SVC tries to keep away from doing this.

Right, adjusting clearances is not complicated,just requires more labor effort ,a bit of math and right sized shims available in stock(which may not be readily available due to low sales). Most svc mechs might avoid doing it the right way or simply want to Bill a customer more by saying valves need to be changed etc..

**saquib3005** · 07-25-2018, 04:21 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by s1d View Post

I don't think u got what I tired to ask.
You mentioned that new valves have arrived.. And so I asked why new valves and not get just the adjustment done by replacing shims .
Even if u put new valves,they need to be adjusted for correct clearance by using right size shims.
A valve guide is different from a shim. Valve guide is what is what is pressed into the head and then the valve is inserted into the guide.
So please be clear on what parts are being replaced. And am pretty sure the r3 uses shims(which Yamaha might call pads ,they look looks like a coin cell and might be held in a small bucket kinda thingy) like the cbr, ktm.. And these are swapped/replaced to achieve necessary clearance. Other bikes say like splendor,pulsar etc use a more common nut type adjustment to correct clearances.
At 60k replacing anything other than shims to correct clearances is not normal imo.

In a hurry to become judgmental ?
It seems to make you understand either I need to share with you whole maintenance cycle of my bike along with phone conversation with the SVC mechanic.
Dont worry, if I have not mentioned about valve clearance doesn't mean I have not taken care of it.
After valve clearance, valve pad/shims replacement is pending.
R3 service manual itself says it as valve pads/valve guides.
I dont want to discuss or debate on brand based technical jargons.
Thanks for enlightening.

Originally posted by rushikesh.ware View Post

Fantastic info Saquib. This is will help us a lot!
Just curious to know, how did you decide the intervals to carryout the inspection\replacement of parts?
All of the work was done at ASC?

Also, you have not installed any radiator guard, spools and frame sliders?

Hey [MENTION=82098]rushikesh.ware[/MENTION]
I dont follow the owners manual to the point. Maintenance interval mentioned in owners manual is to keep optimum condition of parts and bike as a whole. That doesnt mean parts will wear of soon once a periodic interval crosses.
I have been servicing at every 5k km interval at Yamaha authorized SVC even if during trips. So most of the time SVC also knows my servicing habits and which part has to be serviced or replaced accordingly.
I have been riding Yamaha bikes from quite sometime so have trust with major wear and tear of parts like coneset, chain & sprockets, air filter, swing arm and wheel bearings to name a few.
I have tendency to change fork oil usually when fork starts getting bit hard, and changes brake pads by looking into the pads condition during periodic brake overhauling.
Yamaha wheel bearings are quite good and they go easily 70k kms until and unless one belts it in offroad or off tarmac, so just clean and grease them.

I do cleaning of my bike regularly on my own and have been cleaning and changing air filter on my own, so it give the instinct and confidence what is condition of the bike.

Regarding:
Raidator Guard: indian roads have improved considerably in last decade and most of the places i don't find pebbles or stones which can damage the radiator.
Again I follow my instinct here and after using my other bikes in different terrains I dont feel its requirement.
I do long rides on it a lot but I am not riding in Himalayan terrains for 6 months of the year so bike doesn't require a radiator guard ideally.

Frame Sliders: 2 things, they can damage the mounting points and frame as a whole in bad accident(God forbid). And during such accidents one end up replacing frame sliders and fairing both.
Secondly my shin bone touches frame sliders sometimes during long rides(have a tendency to move frotn and back) and that creates irritation.

Spools: this thing is used more as fashion item or for aesthetics. Apart from doesnt add any value. I use it only when I am servicing it and then removes it.
Instead i try spending on good OEM replacements which help me in touring.

**s1d** · 07-25-2018, 07:50 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by saquib3005 View Post

In a hurry to become judgmental ?
It seems to make you understand either I need to share with you whole maintenance cycle of my bike along with phone conversation with the SVC mechanic.
Dont worry, if I have not mentioned about valve clearance doesn't mean I have not taken care of it.
After valve clearance, valve pad/shims replacement is pending.
R3 service manual itself says it as valve pads/valve guides.
I dont want to discuss or debate on brand based technical jargons.
Thanks for enlightening.

Am not worried or anything, it's your bike & your wish what you want to do with it.. repairs or otherwise.
I assumed this was a forum where folks would share/clarify on their experiences/service/mechanical aspects so that other people can learn or understand better.
As long as your happy, and don't want to discuss further.. then so be it.

**saquib3005** · 07-25-2018, 07:55 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by saquib3005 View Post

Anyone has faced/facing Tappet issues on your R3?
If yes where did you get it fixed? Valves(8 pieces) were only replaced or something else?

Originally posted by s1d View Post

Am not worried or anything, it's your bike & your wish what you want to do with it.. repairs or otherwise.
I assumed this was a forum where folks would share/clarify on their experiences/service/mechanical aspects so that other people can learn or understand better.
As long as your happy, and don't want to discuss further.. then so be it.

@s1d you can see the comment which i posted earlier. I wanted to know more and discuss and that is why I have started the topic.
in pursuit of discussion you started topic which jargon means what, and I am really not worried to discuss what is correct term or to learn in which other bikes what is the system.
Even I can also discuss about other bikes and all.
This is R3 ownership thread so I wont like to bring other bikes and how it is done there.
Seems I have given enough clarification what my issue is and seeking views on it.
Now again you want me to be pressed along what you want to discuss then cant help.
To each his own.

**black asp** · 07-25-2018, 08:22 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Sorry for the OT.
Welcome back to xbhp.

CHEERS

Originally posted by Ashwiin Napster View Post

Wow! That's a great write-up and review of your ownership [MENTION=57593]saquib3005[/MENTION]. Goes to show time and again the reliability of Yammie and the charm of owning one

**s1d** · 07-25-2018, 11:35 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

[MENTION=39214]B7ACKTHORN[/MENTION]
instead of deleting entire posts, you could have removed the 'extraneous' material and left the technical parts or clarified on the tech part if there was any mistake.

**B7ACKTHORN** · 07-25-2018, 11:45 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by s1d View Post

I don't think u got what I tired to ask.
nut type adjustment to correct clearances.
At 60k replacing anything other than shims to correct clearances is not normal imo.

Originally posted by s1d View Post

Am not worried or anything, it's your bike & your wish what you want to do with it.. repairs or otherwise.
I assumed this was a forum where folks would share/clarify on their experiences/service/mechanical aspects so that other people can learn or understand better.
As long as your happy, and don't want to discuss further.. then so be it.

@s1d, take it easy buddy. People are astute enough to view and search for queries on the web and procure the information, it's not always what they want, it's something different and that's what the user is trying to infer. It's not always about what one suits a specific person. Of course, clarification and sharing is better, but it's just not at the expense of individual experiences. The user's experience might be totally different from what each other's experience pattern may be, so a simple tighten this and tighten that just might not work out, plus they own the vehicle, they know far better and what's pertinent and the suggested course of action. It's best to understand posts in an analytical manner as opposed to a superficial means which would, again, vary by user.

Thanks for understanding!

Cheers!
VJ

**black asp** · 07-25-2018, 11:51 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post

[MENTION=16602]s1d[/MENTION], take it easy buddy. It's not always about what one suits a specific person. Of course, clarification and sharing is better, but it's just not at the expense of individual experiences. The user's experience might be totally different from what each other's experience pattern may be, so a simple tighten this and tighten that just might not work out, plus they own the vehicle, they know far better than what's pertinent and the suggested course of action. It's best to understand posts in an analytical manner as opposed to a superficial means which would, again, vary by user.

Thanks for understanding!

Cheers!
VJ

Agree with you but sadly this is what is happening rampantly. Not everybody is well versed with jargons. Doesn't mean he doesn't know. The guy in question here is a rider not an automobile engineer. It is not mandatory he should be well rehearsed with tech trickery.
My 2 cents and feel free to delete it if it sounds harsh or demeaning.

CHEERS

**s1d** · 07-26-2018, 12:34 AM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by B7ACKTHORN View Post

@s1d, take it easy buddy. People are astute enough to view and search for queries on the web and procure the information, it's not always what they want, it's something different and that's what the user is trying to infer. It's not always about what one suits a specific person. Of course, clarification and sharing is better, but it's just not at the expense of individual experiences. The user's experience might be totally different from what each other's experience pattern may be, so a simple tighten this and tighten that just might not work out, plus they own the vehicle, they know far better and what's pertinent and the suggested course of action. It's best to understand posts in an analytical manner as opposed to a superficial means which would, again, vary by user.

I did not understand one bit you typed above man.. I was only providing the technical information and never said the guy was wrong or anything. I merely asked for more clarification and he got on the offensive for whatever reason, i was surprised. And then saw this guy replies in similar tone to [MENTION=89207]jawedsoft[/MENTION]

If people are astute enough to procure info on the web, then lets make sure proper info in available.. after all xbhp is also on the web !

I don't know why you are quoting half my posts to make it appear rude.. you do know that the 'nut' type tappet adjustments are present on bikes like the splendor etc, right ? So you thought it was sarcastic ? Lol.

And what is wrong in me saying that 60k is too early of a time to replace valves ? Haven't we all posted something like where we think something conking out in shorter intervals in not normal.
Come on man.. you know better !

Originally posted by black asp View Post

Agree with you but sadly this is what is happening rampantly. Not everybody is well versed with jargons. Doesn't mean he doesn't know. The guy in question here is a rider not an automobile engineer. It is not mandatory he should be well rehearsed with tech trickery.
My 2 cents and feel free to delete it if it sounds harsh or demeaning.

I never meant to imply he wasn't technically well versed with the so called jargons. I first merely asked for more clarification from a technical point of view, please go back and read in case you missed it.

If one wasn't as sure at the jargons they could have just said "i have no idea bro, let me look it up or maybe elaborate" or something .. instead of going on the offensive.

I went ahead and posted clear information from the service manual with a technical explanation.. those who want it can read that and those who don't can skip it.. as simple as that.
Why delete the post that actually contained information sourced from the horses mouth ?

**Akash.Yadav** · 07-26-2018, 02:37 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by saquib3005 View Post

When R3 was first launched in India in 2015 I was among the first who wanted to buy, but pricing killed my plans.
I wanted R3 because of brand name, boredom with my then existing smaller bike, powerful sports tourer features.

Luckily I got my hands on a brand new second hand bike(hardly 330kms run) in a steal deal(got it in a price which I wanted to).
Until then I have not regretted taking that decision.
Maintenance is much cheaper as compared to my existing bikes(R15 or Duke200)
I have tried following the service manual to an extent whenever time for oil change has come.
I have not done periodic servicing as suggested by manual because that is to early to do.
1) I have regularly changed engine oil(Motul 7100 10w40), air filter and oil filter every 5000kms
2) Changed spark plugs at every 20k kms(using NGK CR9E)
3) Changed front brake pads at 37k kms
4) Changed chain sprocket at 37k kms
5) Changed Fork oil at 25k and 50k
6) Changed Fork springs at 50k
7) Swing arm greasing at 30k
8) Wheel bearing greasing at 30k. Checked wheel bearings at 55k kms and they are good to continue
9) Have replaced low beam headlight multiple times as it gets fused in 400-500hrs usage
10) Rear brake pads still going good at 60k
11) Coneset still going good at 60k
12) Using K&N air filter from last 15k kms(Cost of filter 4700 and cost of recharger kit 1400)
13) Brake overhaul every 15k kms which include brake line bleeding with Dot4 oil, cleaning of calipers and discs and scrubbing brake pads with sand paper.
14) I clean and wash bike and chain every 900 kms and lube using Yamaha dry chain lube costing 1420 rupees a can and last around 8 sprays and use diesel to clean.

My Servicing at every 5000 kms have been usually oil change, oil filter change, clutch lever adjustment, brake adjustment, chain slack adjustment which amounts to under 3000 bucks including price of motul oil, oil filter cost, general service cost, washing and lubing.

So every 5000km cost me around 3000 maintenance cost and around 13500 rupees fuel(as per riding style).

Currently at 60k km at odo I have replaced tyres only once after running on MRF stock tyres for 23k kms, Michelin PSD for 35k kms and good to go for next 5k kms max. (Used Ralco and ceat combination for a trip and then didnt used).

I have not made changes on bike apart from replacing stock tyres, stock air filter and spark plugs.
Planning to get powerful headlamps, brakelines and another set of tyres soon.

This is more than how parents care for their kids. [emoji23]
Superb stuff bhai. This is awesome at technical level and feeling level too.

**gowtham raj** · 07-26-2018, 02:57 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Guys, Planning to buy Yamaha R3 2018 version, Please share your feedback..
other suggestions also welcome..
i own CBR 250r ABS from 2012...
my way of using in only on highways & weekend inside city (bangalore)

Thanks in advance for your guidance.

**saquib3005** · 07-26-2018, 04:28 PM

Re: Yamaha YZF R3 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post

This is more than how parents care for their kids. [emoji23]
Superb stuff bhai. This is awesome at technical level and feeling level too.

I have not mentioned about the abuses which I have given to it too.
My bike usually stay dirty and i use it like a commuter bike in city too.

There are some people who have quenched more miles on it and still treats it actually like baby.

You are the first person who has said that I treat it like a baby

Thanks for the compliment.

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