Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

[QUOTE=bishalc7399;1372082]Came across these lines while flipping pages in owner’s manual.
Please suggest the other way to lube the drive chain.TE]

You can just rotate the wheel by hand while lubricating. That's how everyone does. Which is recommended always.
Even if you do engage the gear to lubricate, it really doesn't matter. It's not gonna harm your bike in any manner.
It is given as such, just for your safety. Not for the bike's.
There are many people who have lost their fingers doing that, so the company has to give it as such, to abide all safety law measures.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

[QUOTE=Arunachalam;1372114]Okay. Thank you for the information.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

This is pretty much why that sentence is included: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor...ain-stand.html

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Finally i got carburetor replaced by the svc. Its really hell to track and get it replaced. Took almost a Month. Asked them to tune it for better performance which they did not do.Now i need to do it by myself.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Hi friends, i've just purchased TVS apache 2004v ABS version (carb black-red) and have covered 1500kms till now. I came from pulsar 200ns 2015 model, which i've sold off after clocking 95k kms. For those who are comparing 200ns and rtr2004v and want to make a buying decision, i think i can help them decide.


In favor of apache rtr2004v (my 1st impression after driving 1500kms):
1. Engine is vibe free if you drive it at sane speeds.
2. What made me buy rtr2004v is presence of slipper clutch and dual channel ABS. And yes they work as expected.
3. Lookwise, apache is more appealing, 200ns design is a bit dated
4. Apache headlight has better illumination than 200ns (both has 60w/55w bulb)
5. For a DIY person like me, parts are easier to reach, like Air filter, spark plug, headlight change.
6. Overall, things are arranged very neatly, like headlight, rider seat lever and horns. So things are easier to maintain, Kudos to Apache team for that.
7. Very Agile in B2B traffic
8. Seat cushion is soft comparatively
9. Soft suspension helps you if you have bad roads




Against Apache rtr2004v
1. Quality is very cheap, i mean very very cheap. All fiber panels are paper thin which screams that the bike is not meant to last long. example: Chain cover, Rear tyre hugger, Plastic near the meter, Side mirror metal sticks, side indicator switch. Small sized full digital meter of apache is also less expensive than a partial analog one (of 200NS), so that's also a cost cutting measure.
2. Cold start problem, which is very common in Apache
3. Lack of power, compared to 200NS.
4. Lack of instrument cluster backlit illumination
5. Lack of 6th gear
6. Due to many curves and edges, it takes time to clean the bike everyday.
7. On curves, the bike is not so confident due to softer suspension




In favor of Pulsar 200NS


1. In engine, vibrations are there, a lot. But that's its characteristic as its a rev happy engine and i have ran it at 120kmph on Agra Yamuna expressway for 2hrs continuosly. No signs of engine overheating ever.
2. Best in segment Engine Power
2. Build quality of 200ns is way better than rtr2004v. I don't know what's wrong with the reviews on youtube, which says rtr200 better than 200ns. Pulsar 200ns is more robust, for example, its tyre hugger is build over a solid metal bracket, which, in my case, sustained impact of two cars in a single accident from the rear. Bike didn't suffered any damage at all.
3. Very beautiful instrument cluster backlit illumination
4. Long life - myself covered 95,000 km without piston-ring change, without clutch plate change, just 1 chainset change (@55k km), 1 time CDI change, without magnet change , just 1 radiator fan change. Even the clutch and brake levers didn't loose paint in 4years and 95k kms.
5. Completed a leh-ladakh trip, ofcourse after a specialized service in leh itself.
6. Due to plain design, the bike is easy to clean everyday.
7. On curves, 200NS is very planted due to stiffer suspension


Against Pulsar 200NS
1. Not for DIY people. Service and repairing is very complicated. Road-side mechanics can not repair it. e.g. Air filter and main spark plug are placed below fuel tank, which is absolutly idiotic. You need to unmount the whole fuel tank to access the spark plug or air filter or to set tappet. That's the sole reason i didn't bought Dominar, after selling the 200NS.
2. CDI is not reliable, in my case. On the highway, when radiator fan went kaput, my bike lost ignition current on the highway due to fault in CDI caused by the fan. It may be a one-off case but still worth mentioning.
3. High seat height. Not for short riders. I am 5'9"
4. Absolutely no place to add accessories like extra horn, aux lights, mobile charger, switches. I somehow managed to add all these but that was a very tight fit.
5. Weak headlight
6. Gear lever needs to be changed every 10k-15K kms. This is a design defect which gradually reduces the grip to move the gear shaft and it is a serious issue.
7. Hard seat cushioning. I had to add a 2inch foam sheet to the rider seat.
8. Rattles for the first 20k kms and rear brake sqeaky sound after every rear brake-pad change




I can not comment on the reliability aspect of the rtr2004v as its new but will definitely update after few months. My monthly run is approx 3000km, So it won't take too long.
Final Note: Overall, i strongly feel that after selecting rtr2004v over 200NS, i've actually downgraded. The rtr200 is not durable as its flimsy parts suggests. The clutch lever is light by 15%-20%, if compared to 200NS. Yes, the dual channel ABS comes as a saviour and Soft suspension in rtr200 gives better side quality by about 5%-10%. Fuel economy is also similar.


Now these are my views on both bikes and its upto you to decide what suits you best. To make it simple, if you are over 5'6"ft, and intends to ride it in a city (due to avaliability of good mechanics) then choose 200NS, otherwise choose rtr2004v. Please do not consider top speed as your criteria as both bikes are equally efficient.
Happy Riding.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

What's the average city fuel economy you guys getting on the carb variant? I somehow never manage more than 380-390kms on a full tank, having clocked about 7000kms till date.

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I get 32 (+/- 2) kmpl on city traffic.
I refill the tank every 9 lt. So you could say 300 km fuel range.
How much was per liter you're getting?

In Highways I even get 40-45 kmpl.

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

I am also getting about 32km per litre in city traffic.

Not tested on the highway for a long time so not sure of that.

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Guys,
Please let me know about the first free service.

The major things to be done will be
1. Oil refill
2. Oil filter change
3. Chain spray
anything else ?

Also what will be the approximate cost for the first service ?

What is the price of 1L Tru4 Synthetic oil ?

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Go for AMC, Your first bill will be free. I have did that too and asked them to do everything that is needed to be done like engine flush, MRTB TEST, Transmission oil, engine oil, nitrogen, chain spray and all.... And paid for AMC Only. and other benefits are included as well

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

First cycle (new bike) ~32 kmpl = 352/11
2nd cycle ~36 Kmpl = 406/11.26
3rd Cycle ~35 Kmpl = 397/11.30

Re: TVS Apache RTR 200 4V Ownership Experience

Engine flush in first service? And where did they put the transmission oil in an apache?

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LOL !! Engine flush isn't necessary for a brand new engine unless or until you switch over to aftermarket oils and in motorcycles there isn't available any separate transmission oil !!! rather than an engine oil .

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Engine Oil - 650-700 ~(1200 ml)
Oil filter. - <50
TRU spray - 50-100

And Totally you need to pay something around Rs. 800 /-

1L of TRU 4 FS oil will costs Rs. 580+
(ASC will add VAT+GST for all consumables) .

**Don't pay any amount for Nitrogen gas !! You can say in advance that no need that. Coz it's annoying and untolerable thing that we're getting charged highly for N2 in filling the tyres.

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Guys what's the top speed you've achieved ?

My 160 4v beast !!