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**Akash.Yadav** · 10-04-2017, 09:47 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Harrisoncool View Post

I guess improving any breaking capabilities at the back will result in wheel lock up and fish tailing. Rear break is soft for a reason and dont think there will be a need to change if we use engine breaking along with front and rear. Rear break is for initial slowdown and front actually stops the movement and i guess FZ's rear does its job, unless anyone rides beyond the speed limit and without anticipation.

It can be improved but then it also depends on the rider's foot. The harsher the rider, the more chances of wheel lockup. One has to put real good efforts to know how his/her bike behaves during braking. There is a lot to learn when it comes to biking and I love to stay hungry to learn more.😊

**Deba600** · 10-04-2017, 10:26 AM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Friends what are the things that are done in first service of fz25? Also i have a oil leak near the starter of the engine.

**kris123456** · 10-04-2017, 05:44 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post

When a body in motion comes to stop, the whole weight gets transferred to the front of it. That's why you have a bigger disk at front, Multi piston if required.

Stopping the wheel is not a problem. You should stop the vehicle from rolling forward when you brake hard. That's why you have progressive braking in front wheels. And a good suspension set at good angle to stop whole vehicle from rolling forward. You can use bigger pistons and calipers rather than multiple smaller ones. The result is same.

Toyota Fortuner, in its previous avatar had rear drum brakes because for that ladder frame, the car was front heavy. The same concept is applied to the bikes.
Cars and bikes are completely different. The way people use brakes on cars is different from SUV's and a lot different from bikes. That SUV is RWD with over two tons. when the vehicle was moving all that weight transferred to rear wheels. Cars have one brake pedal unlike Bikes, where we have two. One for each wheel. Cars can put more pressure on front wheels, because of weight. you don't have that privilege on bikes. Wanna try?

Cruisers have rear biased weight and bigger wheelbase to aid straight line stability. Disc setup is a better choice for braking, no matter if it's a Bajaj Platina or Ducati Panigale Superleggera 1299.
Nope. Try braking hard on any cruiser. your front will skid like anything. You need to transfer the mass forward. There is nothing called Stopping front and rear at 100% and the vehicle stops instantaneously. Cruisers need a different riding style. Period. More like a car. no Sudden braking.

Steel braided lines is a definite improvement solution. Manufacturers know that they are better choice but that'll increase cost. Rubber hoses expand due to internal oil pressure. Steel braided lines keep those pressures intact and the effectiveness of lever-to-pad braking feel increases.
This doesn't increase any braking prowess. You can have coke in plastic bottle or a tin can. The container doesn't change the liquid. Yes. Plastic melts when exposed to high temperature. and yes, can cracks when dropped. You are talking extreme Off road situations or driving through burning forest. 99.999% of people don't face such situations not even once in a year. Bulging was a problem initially, when the tech was new. Its not anymore.

My answers in Bold and Italic.

**enabeelahmed7** · 10-04-2017, 06:10 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by kris123456 View Post

My answers in Bold and Italic.

Someone in the forum has already changed to steel braided hose and it has improved the bite considerably. Check out.

Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/showthread.php?p=1299938

Share what you think about the motorcycle you own or have owned in the past.

This video gives you an idea why front brakes are more effective in stopping vehicle in comparison with back brake.

https://youtu.be/DYr0bAn5F8k

Watch fully. You will understand how CG shifts and also the traction.

**Akash.Yadav** · 10-04-2017, 07:45 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by enabeelahmed7 View Post

Someone in the forum has already changed to steel braided hose and it has improved the bite considerably. Check out.

Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences - xBhp.com : The Global Indian Biking Community

https://www.xbhp.com/talkies/showthread.php?p=1299938

Share what you think about the motorcycle you own or have owned in the past.

This video gives you an idea why front brakes are more effective in stopping vehicle in comparison with back brake.

https://youtu.be/DYr0bAn5F8k

Watch fully. You will understand how CG shifts and also the traction.

Thanks mate. Well, I am happy that a biker brother understands the phenomenon and what exactly goes on. This is exactly what I was trying to explain but my views didn't make any impact. Cheers and ride safe 😊😊🙋

**Deba600** · 10-04-2017, 08:09 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Friends what are the things that are done in first service of fz25? Also i have a oil leak near the starter of the engine.

**ankit.traveller** · 10-04-2017, 08:22 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Deba600 View Post

Friends what are the things that are done in first service of fz25? Also i have a oil leak near the starter of the engine.

Oil n filter change, tappet setting.
Replace copper washer from bolt near starter motor.

**Vodoochile** · 10-04-2017, 09:31 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Hi Folks, it looks like problem after problem starts to turn up with this bike...sigh

My bike won't start in gear with clutch pulled in. Imagine my surprise today when I was stalling in B2B traffic (I've adjusted the clutch this morning and I'm still getting the hang of it) then trying to start it up again promptly by shifting the transmission into 1st and press the starter. Nothing!. When i put it in neutral with the clutch out it was starting just fine! According to Fz25 owners manual, "The clutch lever is equipped with a clutch switch, which is part of the starting circuit cut off system which prevents starting when the transmission is in gear and the clutch lever is not pulled in".

After shifting the transmission into gear I did pull in the clutch and press the starter but the bike won't start. Could this be due to a faulty clutch switch? Is it dangerous to ride it like this?

**Akash.Yadav** · 10-04-2017, 09:39 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post

Oil n filter change, tappet setting.
Replace copper washer from bolt near starter motor.

Tappet setting in first service? Is that a norm?

**robean-gyalchen** · 10-04-2017, 09:41 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post

Tappet setting in first service? Is that a norm?

Checking your valve Clarence...yes it's normal and is recommended to check. If it's off then setting it, if it's okay then great.

**Akash.Yadav** · 10-04-2017, 09:43 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by robean-gyalchen View Post

Checking your valve Clarence...yes it's normal and is recommended to check. If it's off then setting it, if it's okay then great.

Ohh, OK. I was going through the ownership thread and was trying to figure out if FZ25 is a good idea to move away from my P220. I was actually trying to find out if there are any genetic problems with the bike.

**robean-gyalchen** · 10-04-2017, 09:44 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Vodoochile View Post

Hi Folks, it looks like problem after problem starts to turn up with this bike...sigh

My bike won't start in gear with clutch pulled in. Imagine my surprise today when I was stalling in B2B traffic (I've adjusted the clutch this morning and I'm still getting the hang of it) then trying to start it up again promptly by shifting the transmission into 1st and press the starter. Nothing!. When i put it in neutral with the clutch out it was starting just fine! According to Fz25 owners manual, "The clutch lever is equipped with a clutch switch, which is part of the starting circuit cut off system which prevents starting when the transmission is in gear and the clutch lever is not pulled in".

After shifting the transmission into gear I did pull in the clutch and press the starter but the bike won't start. Could this be due to a faulty clutch switch? Is it dangerous to ride it like this?

This should be a very small problem if any. It might be that you disconnected the switch by accident or the switch might be faulty. Nothing alarming.

Sorry to hear you're having problems with the 25. Mine has been notihing but pleasent.

Good luck.

**robean-gyalchen** · 10-04-2017, 09:51 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by Akash.Yadav View Post

Ohh, OK. I was going through the ownership thread and was trying to figure out if FZ25 is a good idea to move away from my P220. I was actually trying to find out if there are any genetic problems with the bike.

I changed from 220 myself and I can tell you I've been impressed with the FZ25 so far. If you check back few pages then Shamanth Godwa changed form 220 aswell.

Mine is a June manifactured bike and I've been problem free till date. Read all the pages, you'll be buying the FZ shortly.

**kris123456** · 10-04-2017, 10:25 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by enabeelahmed7 View Post

Someone in the forum has already changed to steel braided hose and it has improved the bite considerably. Check out.

This video gives you an idea why front brakes are more effective in stopping vehicle in comparison with back brake.

Watch fully. You will understand how CG shifts and also the traction.

Dude.. Steel braided lines might help in front but they don't help at back. However i really doubt the improvements posted.
If the improvements were really true, you will have all owners upgrading. which isn't the reality. So, try to take it with a pinch of salt. Moreover, he might had some air in earlier setup. with the change, he would obviously feel the difference. Source? There are hundreds of people on this forum who haven't complained about brakes. But few of them complained about rear wheel locking.

Looks like you haven't been reading what i was trying to say at all. Majority of the stopping power comes from front. No one is litigating that.

The concern is only related to improvising rear brake performance. The discussion we had been doing is that effective / aggressive rear brakes at rear will end up locking the wheel, instead of trying to stop the vehicle. To stop the vehicle, you need to keep rotating the wheel and try to stop the rotation with brakes. But with aggressive calipers, you end up locking the wheel rather than improvising braking performance.

**enabeelahmed7** · 10-04-2017, 10:53 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ 25 Owners Reviews and Experiences

Originally posted by kris123456 View Post

Dude.. Steel braided lines might help in front but they don't help at back. However i really doubt the improvements posted.
If the improvements were really true, you will have all owners upgrading. which isn't the reality. So, try to take it with a pinch of salt. Moreover, he might had some air in earlier setup. with the change, he would obviously feel the difference. Source? There are hundreds of people on this forum who haven't complained about brakes. But few of them complained about rear wheel locking.

Looks like you haven't been reading what i was trying to say at all. Majority of the stopping power comes from front. No one is litigating that.

The concern is only related to improvising rear brake performance. The discussion we had been doing is that effective / aggressive rear brakes at rear will end up locking the wheel, instead of trying to stop the vehicle. To stop the vehicle, you need to keep rotating the wheel and try to stop the rotation with brakes. But with aggressive calipers, you end up locking the wheel rather than improvising braking performance.

I'd rather take your points with a pinch of salt, as the other member owns it and has experienced it before and after the change. And the reason why everyone is not changing is about the cost and the feel of it being necessary or not.

I own a fz25 my rear brake was fine before second service when my rear disc pad was changed as it was worn out. But after that the rear disc performance has reduced considerably. And also it's almost 10k kms in my odo now, still my rear disc pad hasn't worn out. I strongly believe that changing the disc pad for better would solve the issue in discussion.
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