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  • Originally posted by kantu View Post
    Its tough to get it from SVC , even if you get it they charge anywhere around 500-1k , I got one set of rtr 160 stickers from dedicated tvs spare parts shop for around 300 , i wanted it for customizing my plain white helmet
    And where's that helmet?
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    • Originally posted by Rtrlover83 View Post
      @Drifty
      Great to hear all the right work done and that too, perfectly at the said SVC
      Thanks Bro.

      Originally posted by shivank View Post
      More on this, please! What is its function? How does it affect (the throttle response)? And, what made you replace this? That'd be helpful as throttle inputs are not very crisp in my bike. That racing throttle response is lost. As a result, my racing DNA has not been unleashed properly during the last few weeks.
      Originally posted by Rtrlover83 View Post
      @Drifty
      I too like to have some more info about the TPS.
      The TPS actually monitors the position of the throttle valve butterfly in the carb.The TPS monitors throttle plate movement and position, and transmits an appropriate electrical signal to the TCI. These signals are used by the TCI to adjust the air/fuel mixture,spark timing according to engine load at idle, part throttle, or full throttle.I had replaced it cause the jerking issues at lower rpms i.e.between 3k-4.5k rpms.
      @Shivank:Lube the throttle cable with mixture of petrol & oil,check the air filter for clogging,check the carb a/f mixture setting,if tappets are making more noise,get them adjusted and then see if you can unleash the racing DNA 'properly'.



      Originally posted by A4D View Post
      if your bike is in warranty you shouldnt have been charged for the TPS i got it changed i wasnt charged for it
      Because I had not done the previous two services(purposely).Anyway,it doesn't cost that much.

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      • Originally posted by shivank View Post
        You got both, the big-bore and FFE from Joel. Right? I was wondering what could the FFE do alone. Affording a big-bore, right now, is not feasible for me. I am thinking of a FFE alone. Any idea how much bump/gain in acceleration to expect with FFE alone? I need a faster-than-stock 0-100 kph machine; want to shave off a second or two!

        Actually, I find RTR's handling to be edgy and there's a lot of guess-work involved. Not that, I find it unstable. 'Scary' could well define the condition. It turns in very quickly and effortlessly, but sometimes I find it hard to maintain the line. Which is not the case with Yamaha or Pulsars (only the 220F). Just my opinion, may be I underestimate RTR's capabilities but that's it.

        Also, this doesn't make it any less of a corner carver for me. I always enjoy leaning the bike to the hilt. Only that the heart is always in mouth!
        Ya I have got both. Got FFE six months back but big bore only two months back. FFE alone will give you more torque and power. This will be quite evident when riding in city or on hills. I was able to push the bike more in every gear. The range of speed in each gear had increased. It also helps in city as you dont require frequent gear shifts. Riding on hills becomes easier as the pull is more than before.
        I will suggest you that speak to Joel also once on this and ask him for his opinion, whether to go for FFE or BB for more acceleration. Ya but the feel of FFE is definitely more.

        Even I was doubtful of RTR's handling in hills, and even though I tried bending I used to think I may loose the rear or will not be able to hold the line. But during my last trip I had pushed the bike more than I used to do on the hills, specially while coming down from Munnar, the hill ride from Poopari to Munthal, and from Coonoor to Mettumalai, were like riding on race tracks. Bike performed fantastically, out of more than 150 turns(atleast), the ones where you can carry good speed, I ran wide only 3 or 4 times, because of carrying high speed, and when I ran wide or even was about to do, I would press the front brake and bike would remain solid, seriously speaking not even one scary moment, barring night rides on ECR , I was able to hold my lines almost all the times, even on high speed, where I knew a small mistake could turn into a big mistake, but I was able to do because of the more confidence that I had got on the bike, another rider on trip, riding A180, shared the same feeling. A better rider than me would have certainly touching his knees down.
        In nutshell I would say the more you ride it around corners the more feel and more confidence it will give. It may not be a better handler than R15 or FZ around corners but it is certainly no less also. I think it will be a better handler than P220 around corners because of its nimble character.


        P.S.
        To all I would like to say, while riding your bike around hills, please push it to your limit( not the bike's ) only when you have confidence on the bike and on yourself. Riding around hills is more fun but very risky also. Push it to limit only when you have ridden a lot on the hills and have full confidence that if bike runs wider you can control it. Gradually build up your speed.
        Last edited by Abhii46; 09-09-2011, 03:44 PM.
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        • Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post
          Ya I have got both. Got FFE six months back but big bore only two months back. FFE alone will give you more torque and power. This will be quite evident when riding in city or on hills. I was able to push the bike more in every gear. The range of speed in each gear had increased. It also helps in city as you dont require frequent gear shifts. Riding on hills becomes easier as the pull is more than before.
          I will suggest you that speak to Joel also once on this and ask him for his opinion, whether to go for FFE or BB for more acceleration. Ya but the feel of FFE is definitely more.

          Even I was doubtful of RTR's handling in hills, and even though I tried bending I used to think I may loose the rear or will not be able to hold the line. But during my last trip I had pushed the bike more than I used to do on the hills, specially while coming down from Munnar, the hill ride from Poopari to Munthal, and from Coonoor to Mettumalai, were like riding on race tracks. Bike performed fantastically, out of more than 150 turns(atleast), the ones where you can carry good speed, I ran wide only 3 or 4 times, because of carrying high speed, and when I ran wide or even was about to do, I would press the front brake and bike would remain solid, seriously speaking not even one scary moment, barring night rides on ECR , I was able to hold my lines almost all the times, even on high speed, where I knew a small mistake could turn into a big mistake, but I was able to do because of the more confidence that I had got on the bike, another rider on trip, riding A180, shared the same feeling. A better rider than me would have certainly touching his knees down.
          In nutshell I would say the more you ride it around corners the more feel and more confidence it will give. It may not be a better handler than R15 or FZ around corners but it is certainly no less also. I think it will be a better handler than P220 around corners because of its nimble character.


          P.S.
          To all I would like to say, while riding your bike around hills, please push it to your limit( not the bike's ) only when you have confidence on the bike and on yourself. Riding around hills is more fun but very risky also. Push it to limit only when you have ridden a lot on the hills and have full confidence that if bike runs wider you can control it. Gradually build up your speed.

          Can you please tell me how much the big bore kit cost you? And also the pricing of the FFE would be great
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          • Originally posted by aamirjamal View Post
            Can you please tell me how much the big bore kit cost you? And also the pricing of the FFE would be great
            Joel will be the right person for it. Contact him directly. Or drop a mail at [email protected]
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            • @Abhii46

              Good going,bro.As it is RTR is a serious performer, with the kits you have, i bet it has become a scorcher.
              Anything done to the head?Carb(jetting)?


              @All

              The TPS as drifty mentioned ,does sense the throttle position and sends a signal to the TCI and based on it the TCI changes the ignition mapping.That is ,it keeps changing between retard mapping and advance map of the ignition.The fueling/carb is not controlled by the TPS.
              My bike for ex has your same TCI but without the TPS,so it is always in the advance mapping of the ignition.If in case TPS is not working ,then the ignition mapping will be stuck in either the retard or the advance mode.
              For your bikes it should keep changing the mapping based on the throttle position.But it shouldn't get stuck in the retard mode all the time.
              Last edited by gixxer_junkie_m; 09-09-2011, 06:04 PM.
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              • @Drifty & gixxer_junkie_m
                Thanks a lot for all that info, bro's
                Getting to know more about the ride from xBhp.
                Last edited by Rtrlover83; 09-09-2011, 05:41 PM. Reason: Missed Drifty's post for me!
                The Apache is ever willing to red line each cog, but the Rider ain't. Enjoy RTR, Safely. Period.

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                • Originally posted by Rtrlover83 View Post
                  @Drifty & gixxer_junkie_m
                  Thanks a lot for all that info, bro's
                  Getting to know more about the ride from xBhp.
                  No prob, bro TCI is supposed to be more reliable than the CDI , the superbikes have em ,so does the R15 and the CBr250r.I wonder why, TVS ASC's are replacing them at the drop of a hat.I mean it's manufactured by a JV between TVS and Kokusan Denki which is a subsidiary of Mitsubishi electrical co,so it's not some run of the mill chinese prod.My guess is that it's typical ASC manner of dealing with issues,just keep on changing the parts.
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                  • Originally posted by gixxer_junkie_m View Post
                    @Abhii46

                    Good going,bro.As it is RTR is a serious performer, with the kits you have, i bet it has become a scorcher.
                    Anything done to the head?Carb(jetting)?


                    @All

                    The TPS as drifty mentioned ,does sense the throttle position and sends a signal to the TCI and based on it the TCI changes the ignition mapping.That is ,it keeps changing between retard mapping and advance map of the ignition.The fueling/carb is not controlled by the TPS.
                    My bike for ex has your same TCI but without the TPS,so it is always in the advance mapping of the ignition.If in case TPS is not working ,then the ignition mapping will be stuck in either the retard or the advance mode.
                    For your bikes it should keep changing the mapping based on the throttle position.But it shouldn't get stuck in the retard mode all the time.
                    It definitely is a scorcher, its a more fun ride than it was before( its a lot fun ride in stock condition itself ).
                    He did the work on head, but carb upjetting was not done. He said I can also go for a bigger carb, I told him later, will do modifications in stages.

                    Thanks a lot for info that you provide here. We get to learn something.
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                    • guys what do think about the new R15 i think apache is gonna kick its ass..17.03 PS with 137 kg and r15 with 17PS with 136 kgs! and to add to the problems a 130 sectio tyre which i feel is somwhat unnessasary! what do you reckon guys???

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                      • Originally posted by pranav_salieri View Post
                        guys what do think about the new R15 i think apache is gonna kick its ass..17.03 PS with 137 kg and r15 with 17PS with 136 kgs! and to add to the problems a 130 sectio tyre which i feel is somwhat unnessasary! what do you reckon guys???
                        Only a proper road test would give the results bro. The Electronic Control Unit has been remapped for greater acceleration and a better top speed. So this change might compensate for the increased kerb weight to some extent, i reckon
                        The Apache is ever willing to red line each cog, but the Rider ain't. Enjoy RTR, Safely. Period.

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                        • Originally posted by pranav_salieri View Post
                          guys what do think about the new R15 i think apache is gonna kick its ass..17.03 PS with 137 kg and r15 with 17PS with 136 kgs! and to add to the problems a 130 sectio tyre which i feel is somwhat unnessasary! what do you reckon guys???
                          isnt the apache 127 kgs wet weight... thats what my manual says...
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                          • @RTRlover- then 10000000000000000000% there will be a drop in mileage! that i can guarantee! better acceleration i doubt....becuase the torque comes in the higher rpms.so i think it will still have poor low end torque! from my personal experince r15(1.0) is much better on the highway than a rtr the grip is also better but even we change our tyres to MRF then it will be better than r15......even the r15 vibrates it vibrates at 100 as much as the RTR itself.

                            back to the thread- if you dont have a good run in will your bike start to give pathetic mileage in the long run???

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                            • Originally posted by saipranav View Post
                              isnt the apache 127 kgs wet weight... thats what my manual says...
                              its 137kgs.
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                              • Originally posted by Rtrlover83 View Post
                                Hey buddy, ...... one should get used to.
                                I haven't ridden the 160 extensively. Did ride the A150 many times. It's ultra-flickable(read: short wheelbase) and I have had very less scary moments riding it, which is not the case with the RTR180, period!

                                Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post
                                Ya I have got both. Got FFE six months back but big bore only two ................... I think it will be a better handler than P220 around corners because of its nimble character.
                                Thanks for sharing the information.

                                FFE is what I aim, as for now. And no doubts, about RTR's handling. An able and more confident rider can always smoke the difference between the RTR and R15 around the same track.

                                Originally posted by Abhii46 View Post
                                P.S.
                                To all I would like to say, while riding your bike around hills, please push it to your limit( not the bike's ) only when you have confidence on the bike and on yourself. Riding around hills is more fun but very risky also. Push it to limit only when you have ridden a lot on the hills and have full confidence that if bike runs wider you can control it. Gradually build up your speed.
                                +1 on that.

                                Riding in hills is very tempting. Seeing the very first corner makes me go berserk! One has to keep his cool and bound himself within the limits of his abilities. Don't miss those roads for a race-track! A slight patch of water/oil or gravel is good enough to kill a Rossi-wannabe.

                                Originally posted by pranav_salieri View Post
                                guys what do think about the new R15 i think apache is gonna kick its ass..17.03 PS with 137 kg and r15 with 17PS with 136 kgs! and to add to the problems a 130 sectio tyre which i feel is somwhat unnessasary! what do you reckon guys???
                                On paper, there's lot more going against the R15 v2 than for it. Still, waiting for the official reviews from different mags. Yamaha know what they are doing; V2 can't afford to be slower.

                                PS: Thanks to Drifty and Gixxer_junkie for sharing the knowledge about the working of the TPS.
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