Well i think this question is more apt at the What Bike thread. Anyways, comparing P220 with an RTR180 these are the pros and cons that they have:

1. RTR180 is a better handler any given day. Period. If you want a more flickable bike which is fun to negotiate the traffic then RTR wont disappoint you. P220 takes a little more effort in this regard.
2. RTR's initial pickup is equal (or better as some would say although by a very small margin) to that of P220. But i dont think you will be racing with a P220 if you buy an RTR or vice versa that these milliseconds would matter to you. But as the speed builds up, the 40cc extra obviously makes its presence felt and leaves the RTR behind. Having a better top end than RTR, the P220 engine is more relaxed at the same rpm than RTR which is good if you are into touring.
3. Suspension wise, the RTR's suspension is made for the track and hence feels a little stiff on the bad patches of road. P220 DTSI's suspension has been stiffened after DTSFI but still its better on the bad patches and not as good as RTR on the track or even for that matter on the twisties.
4. Looks are relative so i wont go into the debate of which bike looks better.
5. Riding position of the RTR is more on the sportier side than the P220. But its only a matter of getting used to before you feel comfortable.
6. Mileage is something plus minus 40kmph for the RTR, while the P220 DTSI has been known to give a variable mileage for different riders if you go through the P220 DTSI ownership thread.
7. Vibrations are there in the RTR from 4k to around 5.5k which is the speed zone of 55 to 68. P220 on the other hand is almost vibe free till you cross the 6.5k rpm. Now since you will be driving in the city, the RTR's vibe zone will have to experienced more than often as thats the speed we generally ride in cities.
8. Straight line stability of P220 is better compared to RTR.

Now coming down to the reliability, both the companies are reliable in present times. But face it, whatever bike you buy here, you will be facing some or the other problems, be it minor or major. In my city the Bajaj Probiking is much better than the TVS SVC. I dont know about your city. Ask some owners in your city about the SVC.
These were all the differences i could note about the two great bikes. See what you can bear with and what you cannot and then make your choice. Also others in this forum might add to the points i have mentioned. Take note of that too.

Well i think this question is more apt at the What Bike thread. Anyways, comparing P220 with an RTR180 these are the pros and cons that they have:

1. RTR180 is a better handler any given day. Period. If you want a more flickable bike which is fun to negotiate the traffic then RTR wont disappoint you. P220 takes a little more effort in this regard.
2. RTR's initial pickup is equal (or better as some would say although by a very small margin) to that of P220. But i dont think you will be racing with a P220 if you buy an RTR or vice versa that these milliseconds would matter to you. But as the speed builds up, the 40cc extra obviously makes its presence felt and leaves the RTR behind. Having a better top end than RTR, the P220 engine is more relaxed at the same rpm than RTR which is good if you are into touring.
3. Suspension wise, the RTR's suspension is made for the track and hence feels a little stiff on the bad patches of road. P220 DTSI's suspension has been stiffened after DTSFI but still its better on the bad patches and not as good as RTR on the track or even for that matter on the twisties.
4. Looks are relative so i wont go into the debate of which bike looks better.
5. Riding position of the RTR is more on the sportier side than the P220. But its only a matter of getting used to before you feel comfortable.
6. Mileage is something plus minus 40kmph for the RTR, while the P220 DTSI has been known to give a variable mileage for different riders if you go through the P220 DTSI ownership thread.
7. Vibrations are there in the RTR from 4k to around 5.5k which is the speed zone of 55 to 68. P220 on the other hand is almost vibe free till you cross the 6.5k rpm. Now since you will be driving in the city, the RTR's vibe zone will have to experienced more than often as thats the speed we generally ride in cities.
8. Straight line stability of P220 is better compared to RTR.

Now coming down to the reliability, both the companies are reliable in present times. But face it, whatever bike you buy here, you will be facing some or the other problems, be it minor or major. In my city the Bajaj Probiking is much better than the TVS SVC. I dont know about your city. Ask some owners in your city about the SVC.
These were all the differences i could note about the two great bikes. See what you can bear with and what you cannot and then make your choice. Also others in this forum might add to the points i have mentioned. Take note of that too.

Well i think this question is more apt at the What Bike thread. Anyways, comparing P220 with an RTR180 these are the pros and cons that they have:

1. RTR180 is a better handler any given day. Period. If you want a more flickable bike which is fun to negotiate the traffic then RTR wont disappoint you. P220 takes a little more effort in this regard.
2. RTR's initial pickup is equal (or better as some would say although by a very small margin) to that of P220. But i dont think you will be racing with a P220 if you buy an RTR or vice versa that these milliseconds would matter to you. But as the speed builds up, the 40cc extra obviously makes its presence felt and leaves the RTR behind. Having a better top end than RTR, the P220 engine is more relaxed at the same rpm than RTR which is good if you are into touring.
3. Suspension wise, the RTR's suspension is made for the track and hence feels a little stiff on the bad patches of road. P220 DTSI's suspension has been stiffened after DTSFI but still its better on the bad patches and not as good as RTR on the track or even for that matter on the twisties.
4. Looks are relative so i wont go into the debate of which bike looks better.
5. Riding position of the RTR is more on the sportier side than the P220. But its only a matter of getting used to before you feel comfortable.
6. Mileage is something plus minus 40kmph for the RTR, while the P220 DTSI has been known to give a variable mileage for different riders if you go through the P220 DTSI ownership thread.
7. Vibrations are there in the RTR from 4k to around 5.5k which is the speed zone of 55 to 68. P220 on the other hand is almost vibe free till you cross the 6.5k rpm. Now since you will be driving in the city, the RTR's vibe zone will have to experienced more than often as thats the speed we generally ride in cities.
8. Straight line stability of P220 is better compared to RTR.

Now coming down to the reliability, both the companies are reliable in present times. But face it, whatever bike you buy here, you will be facing some or the other problems, be it minor or major. In my city the Bajaj Probiking is much better than the TVS SVC. I dont know about your city. Ask some owners in your city about the SVC.
These were all the differences i could note about the two great bikes. See what you can bear with and what you cannot and then make your choice. Also others in this forum might add to the points i have mentioned. Take note of that too.

As for the rear foot rest I can't comment much on that because I have never been a pillion on the Apache except for this once when I was a pillion for about 500m in busy traffic.

Well i think this question is more apt at the What Bike thread. Anyways, comparing P220 with an RTR180 these are the pros and cons that they have:

1. RTR180 is a better handler any given day. Period. If you want a more flickable bike which is fun to negotiate the traffic then RTR wont disappoint you. P220 takes a little more effort in this regard.
2. RTR's initial pickup is equal (or better as some would say although by a very small margin) to that of P220. But i dont think you will be racing with a P220 if you buy an RTR or vice versa that these milliseconds would matter to you. But as the speed builds up, the 40cc extra obviously makes its presence felt and leaves the RTR behind. Having a better top end than RTR, the P220 engine is more relaxed at the same rpm than RTR which is good if you are into touring.
3. Suspension wise, the RTR's suspension is made for the track and hence feels a little stiff on the bad patches of road. P220 DTSI's suspension has been stiffened after DTSFI but still its better on the bad patches and not as good as RTR on the track or even for that matter on the twisties.
4. Looks are relative so i wont go into the debate of which bike looks better.
5. Riding position of the RTR is more on the sportier side than the P220. But its only a matter of getting used to before you feel comfortable.
6. Mileage is something plus minus 40kmph for the RTR, while the P220 DTSI has been known to give a variable mileage for different riders if you go through the P220 DTSI ownership thread.
7. Vibrations are there in the RTR from 4k to around 5.5k which is the speed zone of 55 to 68. P220 on the other hand is almost vibe free till you cross the 6.5k rpm. Now since you will be driving in the city, the RTR's vibe zone will have to experienced more than often as thats the speed we generally ride in cities.
8. Straight line stability of P220 is better compared to RTR.

Now coming down to the reliability, both the companies are reliable in present times. But face it, whatever bike you buy here, you will be facing some or the other problems, be it minor or major. In my city the Bajaj Probiking is much better than the TVS SVC. I dont know about your city. Ask some owners in your city about the SVC.
These were all the differences i could note about the two great bikes. See what you can bear with and what you cannot and then make your choice. Also others in this forum might add to the points i have mentioned. Take note of that too.

Yesterday, I did a 300kms(to and fro) trip for Chris Pfeiffer's event. The bike was fantastic! Yes, vibrations are very much present between speeds of 55-68km/hr. But once past that, it is a bliss! I managed to touch 114km/hr on the East Coast Road connecting Pondicherry and Chennai! The tacho needle was dancing at 8000rpm. What a bike! I was screaming on top of my voice when I saw those figures on the speedo! The power delivery is super smooth. Every smallest wring on the throttle will bring a change on the speedo and the tacho.
One hard truth...RTR is not the bike to be used for a pillion ride! You all know it, dont you??

RTR is best when driven alone, hell every bike is, the pillion robs the handling.

@theguitarfreak... Nice comparo! I guess you forgot these bro... its 21bhp v/s 17bhp and the build quality and finish...RTR is way ahead of P220!

I have put the Zapper S back to my rear wheel. Was missing the grip it offered. Yes maybe the low speed stability has been hampered a little but the amount of grip that it offers when you try to hug the road, makes you forget everything else

Zapper S is the same one that R15's sports??????

Yes it is the same.

Cornering god it is.
But i really wish it to be available in 18" and 110 and 120 sizes.

But you have the option of michelin isnt it? Im not sure though.

And can someone tell me more about sprocketing? Im really into touring and would like to increase the top end so that at each rpm the bike attains more speed.

But dont shave off more than two tooths as then it'll put dent on the acceleration.

Well i think this question is more apt at the What Bike thread. Anyways, comparing P220 with an RTR180 these are the pros and cons that they have:

1. RTR180 is a better handler any given day. Period. If you want a more flickable bike which is fun to negotiate the traffic then RTR wont disappoint you. P220 takes a little more effort in this regard.
2. RTR's initial pickup is equal (or better as some would say although by a very small margin) to that of P220. But i dont think you will be racing with a P220 if you buy an RTR or vice versa that these milliseconds would matter to you. But as the speed builds up, the 40cc extra obviously makes its presence felt and leaves the RTR behind. Having a better top end than RTR, the P220 engine is more relaxed at the same rpm than RTR which is good if you are into touring.
3. Suspension wise, the RTR's suspension is made for the track and hence feels a little stiff on the bad patches of road. P220 DTSI's suspension has been stiffened after DTSFI but still its better on the bad patches and not as good as RTR on the track or even for that matter on the twisties.
4. Looks are relative so i wont go into the debate of which bike looks better.
5. Riding position of the RTR is more on the sportier side than the P220. But its only a matter of getting used to before you feel comfortable.
6. Mileage is something plus minus 40kmph for the RTR, while the P220 DTSI has been known to give a variable mileage for different riders if you go through the P220 DTSI ownership thread.
7. Vibrations are there in the RTR from 4k to around 5.5k which is the speed zone of 55 to 68. P220 on the other hand is almost vibe free till you cross the 6.5k rpm. Now since you will be driving in the city, the RTR's vibe zone will have to experienced more than often as thats the speed we generally ride in cities.
8. Straight line stability of P220 is better compared to RTR.

Now coming down to the reliability, both the companies are reliable in present times. But face it, whatever bike you buy here, you will be facing some or the other problems, be it minor or major. In my city the Bajaj Probiking is much better than the TVS SVC. I dont know about your city. Ask some owners in your city about the SVC.
These were all the differences i could note about the two great bikes. See what you can bear with and what you cannot and then make your choice. Also others in this forum might add to the points i have mentioned. Take note of that too.