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  • Originally posted by theguitarfreak View Post
    Well i think this question is more apt at the What Bike thread. Anyways, comparing P220 with an RTR180 these are the pros and cons that they have:

    1. RTR180 is a better handler any given day. Period. If you want a more flickable bike which is fun to negotiate the traffic then RTR wont disappoint you. P220 takes a little more effort in this regard.
    2. RTR's initial pickup is equal (or better as some would say although by a very small margin) to that of P220. But i dont think you will be racing with a P220 if you buy an RTR or vice versa that these milliseconds would matter to you. But as the speed builds up, the 40cc extra obviously makes its presence felt and leaves the RTR behind. Having a better top end than RTR, the P220 engine is more relaxed at the same rpm than RTR which is good if you are into touring.
    3. Suspension wise, the RTR's suspension is made for the track and hence feels a little stiff on the bad patches of road. P220 DTSI's suspension has been stiffened after DTSFI but still its better on the bad patches and not as good as RTR on the track or even for that matter on the twisties.
    4. Looks are relative so i wont go into the debate of which bike looks better.
    5. Riding position of the RTR is more on the sportier side than the P220. But its only a matter of getting used to before you feel comfortable.
    6. Mileage is something plus minus 40kmph for the RTR, while the P220 DTSI has been known to give a variable mileage for different riders if you go through the P220 DTSI ownership thread.
    7. Vibrations are there in the RTR from 4k to around 5.5k which is the speed zone of 55 to 68. P220 on the other hand is almost vibe free till you cross the 6.5k rpm. Now since you will be driving in the city, the RTR's vibe zone will have to experienced more than often as thats the speed we generally ride in cities.
    8. Straight line stability of P220 is better compared to RTR.

    Now coming down to the reliability, both the companies are reliable in present times. But face it, whatever bike you buy here, you will be facing some or the other problems, be it minor or major. In my city the Bajaj Probiking is much better than the TVS SVC. I dont know about your city. Ask some owners in your city about the SVC.
    These were all the differences i could note about the two great bikes. See what you can bear with and what you cannot and then make your choice. Also others in this forum might add to the points i have mentioned. Take note of that too.

    Nice information it will surely help me to take decision, but i did not got one thing how can a 17.3 PS bike with 177.4 CC displacment(Apache) have same pick up as that of 21.04 PS having 220 cc displacment(Pulsar).
    I have heard that Apache sportier riding position can give you back pain, is it true?
    And i am thinking of replacing the stock tyres of RTR 180 with P220 front and R15's rear Tyre.
    Can u suggest me a Tyre with good grip having same size as that of stock one --- 110/80 - 17 other than R15 Zapper S which is 100/80 - 17.
    When approaching a corner, stay on the gas until you see Jesus. Then brake HARD.

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    • @theguitarfreak... Nice and done!

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      • ^^Power to weight ratio,gearing and throttle response all play major role in drag timings..But there'd be a point in time where the lower cc will run out of steam which is exactly the case here,,
        If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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        • Originally posted by shivank View Post
          ^^Power to weight ratio,gearing and throttle response all play major role in drag timings..But there'd be a point in time where the lower cc will run out of steam which is exactly the case here,,
          RTR 180 forum owner has something to say!!

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          • Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
            Dent on Acceleration alongwith front sprockets will also needs tobe changed for copping up with loss at the rear.
            NO.

            The front sproaket need not to be changed, one can shave off tooths from the rear sproaket without changing the front.

            And shaving off one tooth from the front has the same affect as shaving off two from the rear.

            On 220 and RTR180 comparo, lets stop it here guys.
            but i would like to add that given on the right hands the RTR180 can smoke the 220 too, on track and on 0-60 timings.
            The Magician"

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            • Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
              NO.

              The front sproaket need not to be changed, one can shave off tooths from the rear sproaket without changing the front.

              And shaving off one tooth from the front has the same affect as shaving off two from the rear.
              Areey Renny JI! I was talking about If someone shaves more than required teeths like company provides 40 and one wants 36 teeths then front too needs change.(I maybe wrong, becuz this knoweldge is by my experience).

              Right Hands=Renny Am I right!

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              • Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                Areey Renny JI! I was talking about If someone shaves more than required teeths like company provides 40 and one wants 36 teeths then front too needs change.(I maybe wrong, becuz this knoweldge is by my experience).

                Right Hands=Renny Am I right!
                No, one can fit 36 tooth rear sproaket directly too, all he'll be getting then is super top speed at the expense of the acceleration.

                Well you're right on the Right hands department there.
                The Magician"

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                • Originally posted by Makky View Post
                  RTR 180 forum owner has something to say!!
                  God! My followers are everywhere ..
                  If you ride like there's no tomorrow...worry not there won't be!

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                  • Originally posted by abbydance4life View Post
                    I have heard that Apache sportier riding position can give you back pain, is it true?

                    As i said earlier, you will get used to it with time and after you are comfortable with it, you might find tall karizma type handlebars making you feel uncomfortable. Yes that happened with me after i tried riding a Karizma. My shoulders were aching.

                    And i am thinking of replacing the stock tyres of RTR 180 with P220 front and R15's rear Tyre.
                    Can u suggest me a Tyre with good grip having same size as that of stock one --- 110/80 - 17 other than R15 Zapper S which is 100/80 - 17.
                    The only 110/80 17" rear tyre that you can get in India is an IRC one. One of the xbhp members posted its pic at the tyres thread. See if you can find it in your city.

                    Originally posted by rennycornelius View Post
                    Shave of two tooths from the rear sproaket, you'll have better top speed at each gear at the cost of the acceleration, the bike will also run at lower RPM at the given speed compared to the previous sproaket.

                    But dont shave off more than two tooths as then it'll put dent on the acceleration.
                    How much increase in speed can i expect?
                    You can only ride better tomorrow if you ride safe today.

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                    • One question guys??? Is RTR 180 DC or AC?
                      Street racing is for Squids trying to make up for their small equipment

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                      • Originally posted by riot View Post
                        One question guys??? Is RTR 180 DC or AC?
                        Its an AC bike.
                        You can only ride better tomorrow if you ride safe today.

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                        • Originally posted by riot View Post
                          One question guys??? Is RTR 180 DC or AC?
                          It's AC bike, only Yammies and Bajji's have DC right now in their bikes.

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                          • before 3 months i posted a query in "what bike section " about choosing between rtr180,zma & p220,and most of the xbhpians suggested me to go for zma,i booked a red zma 1 month before,but last week i received a call saying that i want to wait one month more,so dropped the plan and today visited bajaj showroom and tvs showroom to enquire about the p220 and A180
                            Apart from the performance can u suggest the maintenance of the two bikes,bcoz i cannot spent too much time with ma bike
                            A LOST RACE IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN A LOST LIMB

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                            • Originally posted by vishnups17 View Post
                              before 3 months i posted a query in "what bike section " about choosing between rtr180,zma & p220,and most of the xbhpians suggested me to go for zma,i booked a red zma 1 month before,but last week i received a call saying that i want to wait one month more,so dropped the plan and today visited bajaj showroom and tvs showroom to enquire about the p220 and A180
                              Apart from the performance can u suggest the maintenance of the two bikes,bcoz i cannot spent too much time with ma bike
                              Both the bikes are VFM, But, going by a better choice it will be anytime P220 becoz of its Projectors, Mileage close to A180, vibe. free nature, oil cooler.

                              Both the bikes are totally different. Apache 180 will be best commuter tobe choosed under 200cc segment and above 200cc+ P220 rules nonetheless.

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                              • +1 to the above post
                                You can only ride better tomorrow if you ride safe today.

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