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  • Hi guys,my bike was running fine but for the last 150-200kms i am experiencing that the bike is not getting enough fuel,sometimes.Is it because of a lean mixture or something else,what should be done?
    Last edited by Krish1417; 01-10-2012, 02:52 PM.
    Apache RTR 180 2011 | Honda Activa 2010 | CBZ Xtreme 2010 (1 month) |Apache 160 FI 2009-2010
    Bajaj Kristal 2007-2011
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    • Originally posted by iChaitanya View Post
      Hello guys,

      My 4 month old RTR160 (1450 km, 2 free services done, using Shell AX5 engine oil) is troubling me:

      1) Engine misfiring: I had this issue right from day 1 but it was fixed during 1st servicing. The issue resurfaced after 2nd servicing and it still persists. I told the SVC guys to fix it yet again. They kept my bike for a day and returned it to me saying they've cleaned the spark plug.

      Bike makes "phat-phat-phat" sound at high RPM (especially when rolling down a slope). SVC guys have given up and have advised me to use better quality petrol and additives. I'm using normal HP petrol. Should I switch to "Speed" petrol. Will doing so fix this issue of engine misfiring?

      2) Front disc brake makes loud screeching noise when I apply the brake. This issue persists since 2nd servicing. It was non-existent until then. What should be done to fix this? SVC guys didn't do anything.

      3) Idling RPM varies according to surrounding temperature and engine temperature. After riding my bike continuously for 15 mins, idling RPM shoots up to almost 2.5k RPM. How to fix this? SVC guys have given up. They're unable to fix it. Do all RTRs have this issue?

      4) There are some noticeable scratches on my bike including a couple of them on the headlight. How to remove such scratches?

      RTR owners and others please help me out...
      1) Engine misfiring: I had this issue right from day 1 but it was fixed during 1st servicing. The issue resurfaced after 2nd servicing and it still persists. I told the SVC guys to fix it yet again. They kept my bike for a day and returned it to me saying they've cleaned the spark plug.
      my 5 days old angel is also giving the same problem....most of the rtr owners here have suggested to fine-tune the carb...and I'm going for it during 1st servicing..and I also found some water inside the tank cover so I'm getting the tank cleaned and tank cover changed in the 1st servicing..

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      • You cannot always pin point to something regarding misfiring, it can be from adulterated petrol as well.
        if it occurs often then need to do trial and error for carb tuning spark plug cleaning etc ...

        @sid 5 days old and water in tank ? Were you riding near water falls ?
        Last edited by kantu; 01-10-2012, 04:58 PM.
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        • Originally posted by kantu View Post
          You cannot always pin point to something regarding misfiring, it can be from adulterated petrol as well.
          if it occurs often then need to do trial and error for carb tuning spark plug cleaning etc ...

          @sid 5 days old and water in tank ? Were you riding near water falls ?
          @kantu: hehehehe....even I was wondering after watching that!
          I think this water might be causing this trouble of misfiring..

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          • Originally posted by lijok View Post
            To check the cone set, chose an open level road with less traffic, do the free hand ride for a few meters. See if the handle is remaining in the st line or swaying here and there (by itself, not due to road profile, important). IF in doubt, take to a good mech

            This particular sound can also come when the front shock absorbers are suddenly stressed to the max...
            That happens a lot, swaying left and right. The bike also wobbles doing the same! I had reported this particular problem here before. Couldn't get the exact explanation. I think you were busy getting leh'ed back then..

            And about the shocker, does that noise mean some problem?

            Thanks anyway. I have to change the cone-set along with the long-pending chain set now...
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            • My 2 months old 180 is giving me slight hiccups ( a problem that was common than a common cold with all 180 owners ) in the 2nd gear inbetween 3 & 4k & there is a lag experienced in the 3rd gear, both of them last for a couple of seconds & even though are not a major issue, it is making me conscious, as discussed earlier will changing the TPS solve the issue??
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              • Originally posted by iChaitanya View Post

                1) Engine misfiring:

                Bike makes "phat-phat-phat" sound at high RPM (especially when rolling down a slope). SVC guys have given up and have advised me to use better quality petrol and additives. I'm using normal HP petrol. Should I switch to "Speed" petrol. Will doing so fix this issue of engine misfiring?
                RTR owners and others please help me out...
                Even if after carb tuning and making the mixture optimum,the problem still persists,then try replacing the air-cut off valve located on the left side under the tank scoop.This should help.

                Originally posted by krrishi View Post
                My 2 months old 180 is giving me slight hiccups ( a problem that was common than a common cold with all 180 owners ) in the 2nd gear inbetween 3 & 4k & there is a lag experienced in the 3rd gear, both of them last for a couple of seconds & even though are not a major issue, it is making me conscious, as discussed earlier will changing the TPS solve the issue??
                Yes,its the TPS at fault,replace it.

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                • Originally posted by Drifty View Post
                  Even if after carb tuning and making the mixture optimum,the problem still persists,then try replacing the air-cut off valve located on the left side under the tank scoop.This should help.


                  Yes,its the TPS at fault,replace it.
                  Thank you Drifty..shall do that at the earliest..by the way Drifty do you service your bike at Innovative Tvs in Bhandup??
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                  • Originally posted by deception View Post
                    Your carb tuning is screwed.Did you tell the svc guy that you are getting low mileage?
                    Your bike is running too lean.And when takkin your bike for a wash, blow compressed air on to the brake pads.I think your problem will be resolved.

                    Most mechs dont knot shit about tuning and if you believe them,your bike only has a problem when it's un-rideable.
                    Nope, I didn't tell SVC guys (or should I say uncles ) that I'm getting low mileage. I'll tell them to blow compressed air on the pads.

                    I think everyone @ this particular TVS SVC is a n00b. Mechs @ Hero Honda SVC are much better than these TVS SVC clowns.

                    Originally posted by shivank View Post
                    Mis-firing could be the result of a lean mixture. If your service guys give-up on issues as small as this, you are in a definite need to the change the service center. Nothing to do with the quality of petrol.
                    Thanks for the info. This means I was being lied to right on my face.

                    Originally posted by shivank View Post
                    It could be that the pads did not break-in properly. Try and ask the service guy to take the brake pads out, scrub them with sand paper and fix it back. If the issue still persists, you'd have to change the pads. The same thing happened to my bike's rear pads some time back.
                    Alright, I'll ask them to do that.

                    Originally posted by shivank View Post
                    Do you fiddle with the idle-screw everyday?

                    After running your bike for about 15-20 minutes (i.e when the engine has warmed up sufficiently), set the idle rpm at 1400 or 1500 rpms.

                    DO NOT change this setting afterwards. During cold starts, simply use the choke cable and let the engine warm-up on its own for at the very least 1 minute.
                    Nope, I don't fiddle with it everyday. I tried doing what you have mentioned, but even then the idling RPM is ~2k. Once it touched 3k RPM as well. 3k RPM @ idling? WTF?
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                    • Originally posted by shelton_jh View Post
                      I had the same problem and it is nothing but pathetic tuning by the mechanics. They'll give all sorts of excuses, in my case they replaced spark plug,they were even checking the terminal which is right below the seat ! I just kept insisting it is due to improper tuning and made the best mechanic to come and tune it. This guy was also saying it wont be due to improper tuning but after me insisting again and again this guy sat, tuned it properly with the correct number of turns and the bike was perfect. Then they were all scratching their heads in disbelief and I left the SVC bewildered how can a mechanic not know a simple thing like the bike is not properly tuned ?
                      Looks like improper carb tuning is the culprit. That's what everyone is saying.

                      Originally posted by sid712 View Post
                      my 5 days old angel is also giving the same problem....most of the rtr owners here have suggested to fine-tune the carb...and I'm going for it during 1st servicing..and I also found some water inside the tank cover so I'm getting the tank cleaned and tank cover changed in the 1st servicing..
                      From which dealer did you buy your angel?
                      Shelar TVS is pathetic. Which is the best TVS SVC in Pune?

                      Originally posted by kantu View Post
                      You cannot always pin point to something regarding misfiring, it can be from adulterated petrol as well.
                      if it occurs often then need to do trial and error for carb tuning spark plug cleaning etc ...
                      Ya, that's what SVC guys have been saying all along - use better quality petrol. I tried 5-6 different pumps. Not gonna run around anymore. Petrol is not the issue here, my bike is. I'm gonna see to it that all my issues are resolved. They think I can be taken for a ride.

                      Guys, thanks a lot for replying and helping me out. I'll report back once all issues are fixed.
                      Last edited by iChaitanya; 01-11-2012, 12:44 AM.
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                      • Originally posted by iChaitanya View Post

                        Nope, I don't fiddle with it everyday. I tried doing what you have mentioned, but even then the idling RPM is ~2k. Once it touched 3k RPM as well. 3k RPM @ idling? WTF?
                        Hmm...if it's the same problem i had...i mean where the bike when it's started it idle's normally but after running some kilometres the idle comes to 2 or 3....wen you put the choke on in this stage the rpm goes to 5-6 !!! if that is the problem then bring your idle speed close to 1.....solved mine that way...well the service guys solved it this way
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                        • Originally posted by Krish1417 View Post
                          Hi guys,my bike was running fine but for the last 150-200kms i am experiencing that the bike is not getting enough fuel,sometimes.Is it because of a lean mixture or something else,what should be done?
                          Guys,please help me on the above problem
                          Apache RTR 180 2011 | Honda Activa 2010 | CBZ Xtreme 2010 (1 month) |Apache 160 FI 2009-2010
                          Bajaj Kristal 2007-2011
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                          • Please update the parts catalogue... one is there i think

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                            Absorber RR Wheel Hub Shock (aka dampner) - 1181150 (this is what is on the packing) - INR138 @Kerala

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                            • Originally posted by Krish1417 View Post
                              Guys,please help me on the above problem
                              While on constant throttle (especially at low Rpm), does the bike stall for a second or two like when brakes are applied, and then power come's back on? If this is the case, TPS might be faulty.

                              Check the spark plug tip. If it's white or glazed in color, the A/F mixture is lean (lesser fuel compared to air). Tune the carb for optimum combustion. Rely on a skilled tuner for the job.

                              May be water somehow got mixed with petrol. Try emptying the tank and refill. The carb should be drained as well.

                              Try another petrol pump, next time up.
                              The Apache is ever willing to red line each cog, but the Rider ain't. Enjoy RTR, Safely. Period.

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                              • Originally posted by iChaitanya View Post
                                Looks like improper carb tuning is the culprit. That's what everyone is saying.


                                From which dealer did you buy your angel?
                                Shelar TVS is pathetic. Which is the best TVS SVC in Pune?


                                Ya, that's what SVC guys have been saying all along - use better quality petrol. I tried 5-6 different pumps. Not gonna run around anymore. Petrol is not the issue here, my bike is. I'm gonna see to it that all my issues are resolved. They think I can be taken for a ride.

                                Guys, thanks a lot for replying and helping me out. I'll report back once all issues are fixed.
                                From which dealer did you buy your angel?
                                Shelar TVS is pathetic. Which is the best TVS SVC in Pune?
                                I bought it from my native-Kudal,sindhudurg-(Nextdrive tvs).
                                When i told this dealer that i'm going to use my bike in pune he told me that CHHATRAPATI TVS at paud road is the best for servicing of apache in pune..
                                I have kept my bike at hometown till registration and for 1st servicing. for second servicing, I'll go with dealer's suggestion..

                                hey, have u spotted any fluctuations in movement of rpm needle?? sometimes, my bike's needle starts dancing when it reaches to 3k mark...have u come across any such problem?

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