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  • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

    Originally posted by Bismaya View Post
    An engine which is tuned for such mileage figure won't have good longevity.
    Its Fuel injection we are talking about. Air fuel ratio on a carb bike is preset or STATIC. This limits efficiency to a great extent. Whereas A/F ratio in FI engine is DYNAMIC, always changing and adapting to the situation. An optimum A/F ratio is always maintained which ensures both efficiency & longetivity of the engine. Eg: old glamour FI gives ~75-80kpl whereas carb glamour gives max 60kpl. The difference in FE is huge but it doesn't mean FI glamour has low engine life.

    The current mileage centric platinas & Ct100's last really long. A maharashtrian farmer has travelled pan India covering 2lac 87k km on a platina ES 100. The bike still runs on stock internals including clutch & still returns 70kpl ! Only thing he did for the bike is to religiously carryout periodic maintenance. A good quality closed loop FI system will work wonders on a platina.

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    • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

      Passion pro has reached the next milestone. 93,000 kms and counting. The engine is still untouched. Changed the engine oil also.

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      Using this oil since the last 6 years. Very good oil.

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      • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

        Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
        Well that is the reality today. Almost no Automobile Media agency is interested or ready to review splendor.

        Even though the splendor and activa are the highest selling two wheelers in india, bashing them as ' old products ' has become a trend. Most people like roasting the splendor for using the same old 97.2 cc engine.

        Media houses are busy praising the TVS Radeon which looks like a 80% copy of Splendor.

        We know the fact that this engine takes about 20k km for proper running in and after that it is much better than the 110 cc engines from Bajaj and TVS.

        But the media people dont know this and they straight away tell that the bike is vibey and feels stresssed post 60 kmph.

        I had the new 3 valve TVS victor 110 with me for a month. It was supposed to be the best 110 cc bike out there but I was really missing my passion pro every time i rode the Victor.

        The Victor was loaded with features but it lacked the top end rush, refinement, slick-click gearbox and the ruggedness of my passion.

        Same case with the Activa. I was a fan of TVS wego and kind of hated activa. But my attitude towards the activa changed drastically over the years.

        No matter how bad you abuse it, it will still run. Every part of it is built to last long.

        Meanwhile the wego of my friend even though very fun to ride, developed very serious problems like kick starter going numb, failing of switch gear, speedo cable breaking every now and then, engine heating and refusing to start after running continuosly for 60 km and finally the crank shaft broke which led my friend to trade it for a small amount.

        Still the so called 'auto gurus' are bashing the activa for lack of telescopic suspension but never highlighting the fact that how tough a product it is.

        People say that Herd Mentality of Indian's is the reason for the sky high sales of splendor, activa, alto, etc. But for my father, a scooter is an activa and a bike is either a cd100/ splendor/ Kawasaki 4S Champion. According to him no other product is comparable to these.

        Here in kerala, there is still good demand for pre-y2k/y2k splendors. The resale value of these is higher than my 2010 passion.

        So yeah lets enjoy while we have it.
        I definitely agree with the running in point which you had mentioned. My passion pro became very smooth after running for more than 30,000 kms. Now it has clocked more than 94,000 kms. The engine is untouched. Just the regular oil changes, chain adjustment, water wash and lubing the necessary parts. Carburettor was cleaned some 5 years back. Delivering 72 kmpl till date. Had done multiple road trips varying from 350 to 700 kms continuously, be it in scorching heat, freezing cold, day or night, windy or rainy this bike just goes on. In all these years, the one and only problem it gave in the middle of the trip was a puncture. That's it!

        We also own a 2005 model bajaj CT 100. It is also good to ride, smooth, accelerates fast, gives very good mileage of 75+ kmpl, but you'll never get that rugged and tight feel, smooth gear shifts and that air-releasing 'chuck chuck' sound from the rear suspension when riding through bumps when we ride a splendor/passion.

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        • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

          Had some major work done with my Splendor Pro recently:

          Fork Overhaul, new oil seals and oil change
          Racer/Cone Set change
          New HT Coil, Electric Start Button and Battery
          New tyres (Apollo)
          Exhaust is badly choked and the bike struggles after 50 and loses steam. Thinking of getting a pre y2k exhaust and fit it instead. Also have plans on changing rear shocks as well. Bike has clocked 70,524kms as of now.

          Some issues:

          Alloys have started wearing on the insides. The front alloy brake liner is wearing as a result the front brake doesn't engage at times (new shoes) and the rear wheel bearing have the same wearing out issues as well.

          Using the bike for office commutes of about 40km every day.
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          • Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

            Am I right in thinking it’s time to replace this tyre on a CD Deluxe? Or it can still go on? Not really good in judging tyre tread depth.

            There is uneven wear with more wear in the middle likely due to over inflation over the years (not in my use).

            Please suggest some good tyres with grip and traction being the priority if need to be replaced.



            Last edited by yieldway17; 12-21-2019, 04:59 AM.

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            • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

              Originally posted by yieldway17 View Post
              Am I right in thinking it’s time to replace this tyre on a CD Deluxe? Or it can still go on? Not really good in judging tyre tread depth.

              There is uneven wear with more wear in the middle likely due to over inflation over the years (not in my use).

              Please suggest some good tyres with grip and traction being the priority if need to be replaced.
              Why change it now? It can last good for two more generations. Even your grand kids can use it.






              Jokes apart, change them. Don't fit rib tyres at all. It's 2020 almost. I would suggest getting the Apollo Actizip F2 (yes over Ceat or MRF). It is soft compound and grips really well (I've literally used permutations of all the most popular tyres around before jumping to this choice; Apollo).[
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              • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                Originally posted by Bismaya View Post
                Why change it now? It can last good for two more generations. Even your grand kids can use it.






                Jokes apart, change them. Don't fit rib tyres at all. It's 2020 almost. I would suggest getting the Apollo Actizip F2 (yes over Ceat or MRF). It is soft compound and grips really well (I've literally used permutations of all the most popular tyres around before jumping to this choice; Apollo).[
                lol. I have been not using the bike much and it’s not mine as well. So was not spending much on it. But the tyre has been bothering me.

                I will check out the Actizip. Thanks for the suggestion.

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                • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                  Originally posted by yieldway17 View Post
                  lol. I have been not using the bike much and it’s not mine as well. So was not spending much on it. But the tyre has been bothering me.

                  I will check out the Actizip. Thanks for the suggestion.
                  Tyres in stand-in condition tend to get hard as well and then they start becoming wobbly on tarmac. How old are those tyres and how much have they run?
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                  • Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                    Originally posted by Bismaya View Post
                    Tyres in stand-in condition tend to get hard as well and then they start becoming wobbly on tarmac. How old are those tyres and how much have they run?
                    That’s true. The bike is a 2010 purchased CD Deluxe and was standing still for almost an year until I took it early this year.

                    I have no idea about history of the bike and prior maintenance, got it from a relative in as-is condition. So don’t know how old the tyres are too. Have been using it on and off for local shopping runs for last 10 months just to keep it running. Even odo is conked, so no idea about real KMs the bike has done.

                    Only did oil change, chain cleaning and tightening so far.

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                    • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                      [MENTION=61630]jeswin[/MENTION], first of all I have to say that the roads of TN are amazing bro. Did a couple of trips like coimbatore (via car), Trichy (on train) & pollachi via valparai (on my passion pro). Everywhere, the roads were just awesome. And what a coincidence! We also had a 2005 CT100 on which I learned to ride. I loved that bike to the core. Superlight, consistent 75+ mileage, sprightly pick up. Then my father sold it and bought a CD Dawn. I never really liked the CD Dawn citing that it was heavy and way less efficient than the CT100. Then we bought the Passion Pro, but I still didn't like it as it was even heavier than the CD Dawn. Then I started using the passion pro for daily college runs and its then when I truly understood the value of these Hero Hondas. The highway performance, rugged chassis & brilliant ride quality made me admire these machines. My Passion pro is nearing 1lac 10k km. Very less running these days. Sadly, the future of my bike is uncertain. I am not satisfied with the bore replacement job done by Hero ASC. The plastic panels are in a bad condition. It needs a complete restoration. Moreover, the lack of low end torque is taking a toll on me in the ever increasing kerala traffic. I may trade it and upgrade to a more torquey 125cc may be. The Suzuki Access and old HH Glamour impressed me alot on this aspect.
                      [MENTION=95957]Bismaya[/MENTION], bro if you change the exhaust to the old one, do share if there is any difference in performance /pickup. And how are the Appollo tyres faring in wet condition? Also is it possible to upsize to a 90/90-18 (passion Xpro) size tyre at the rear?

                      Read somewhere that Hero has stopped the production of 100cc splendor, passion and CD deluxe as part of Bs6 transition. So is this the end of the road for the 100cc supercub engine? Still this 100cc engine accounts for over 70% of Hero's total sales. It's highly unlikely that this 1980's engine would be comprehensively upgraded. A real tough time for HMC, the revelation about Bs6 splendor (not ismart) will come in Jan/Feb.

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                      • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                        Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
                        @Bismaya, bro if you change the exhaust to the old one, do share if there is any difference in performance /pickup. And how are the Appollo tyres faring in wet condition? Also is it possible to upsize to a 90/90-18 (passion Xpro) size tyre at the rear?
                        The Non-Exhausts have better thrust and make the bike more rid-able compared to Cat Exhausts. My dad's CD 100 with a non cat feels more peppy and acceleration has a good amount of surge. Apollo tyres have been doing great for me. Haven't felt this level of confidence ever on this bike ever since I started using it. Yes, you can use a 90/90. 80/100 (tubeless) is basically a 2.75-18 tyre (tube). Similarly is 90/90 (tubeless) is the equivalent of 3.00-18 (tube).

                        Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
                        Read somewhere that Hero has stopped the production of 100cc splendor, passion and CD deluxe as part of Bs6 transition. So is this the end of the road for the 100cc supercub engine? Still this 100cc engine accounts for over 70% of Hero's total sales. It's highly unlikely that this 1980's engine would be comprehensively upgraded. A real tough time for HMC, the revelation about Bs6 splendor (not ismart) will come in Jan/Feb.
                        This is true. Hero has been milking the horizontal engine for long and it's high time they stopped it. BS6 norms will require high compression and transition of such a small mill is not only expensive but also worthless (into Fi). They were better off with the new engine. It's long overdue. If horizontal engines were such a prize (hit, success) why would other companies not adopt them instead?
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                        • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                          Originally posted by Bismaya View Post
                          If horizontal engines were such a prize (hit, success) why would other companies not adopt them instead?
                          Its because of first mover advantage & lack of competition. In 1985 when the CD100 was launched, there was no other bike which was as fuel effiecient. Heck, the only other four stroke available at the time was the RE Bullet. For 5 long years, there was virtually no competiton for the HH CD100. Hence the name Hero Honda and the horizontal engine became etched in peoples mind as symbol of reliability and fuel efficiency. Although the Kawasaki Bajaj 4S Champion was launched in 1990, it was plagued with quality issues from day 1 (we had one). Then when the Splendor was launched in 1994 with a more sturdy frame and timeless look, the trust in this 100cc Cub engine was further cemented. Since then till now Hero has been shamelessly milking this engine.

                          The horizontal layout has slightly better lubrication efficiency. Also it has better load pulling characteristics compared to contemporary vertical engines. That's about it. These horizontal engines actually have less cooling efficiency than vertical ones. That's a reason for lower FE and low engine oil life in HH 100cc's. My Passion Pro gives max 65 kpl and engine oil lasts only 2500 km. Whereas a CT100, Platina or Honda Dream Yuga gives minimum 70 kpl and engine oil lasts for a good 4000+km in them. But then, they don't have highway performance like my Passion Pro either .

                          Now, 2 questions decide the future of Hero Motocorp.

                          1. Will they update the 100c Cub engine or get rid of it?

                          2 Would they change the design of the original Splendor Plus or keep it untouched?

                          Knowing Hero, they can be very unpredictable. They created superb designs like Splendor, Karizma, old Glamour, Maestro Edge, Xpulse 200 etc. On the other hand they create and also ruin some of their best designs like 2014 Karizma twins, Achiever, Xtreme, Ismart 110, Splendor pro update, new passionX pro, duet, Xtreme 200, new Glamour etc. Hope they take a well thought decision this time!
                          Last edited by MotoMan; 12-23-2019, 11:05 PM.

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                          • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                            Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
                            The horizontal layout has slightly better lubrication efficiency. Also it has better load pulling characteristics compared to contemporary vertical engines. That's about it. These horizontal engines actually have less cooling efficiency than vertical ones. That's a reason for lower FE and low engine oil life in HH 100cc's. My Passion Pro gives max 65 kpl and engine oil lasts only 2500 km. Whereas a CT100, Platina or Honda Dream Yuga gives minimum 70 kpl and engine oil lasts for a good 4000+km in them. But then, they don't have highway performance like my Passion Pro either .
                            Lubrication efficiency yes, in terms of design and oil flow pathways. Load pulling? What gives you the that idea? Kindly explain. Efficiency and laws of friction don't apply to orientation or engine positioning; hence lubrication. The reason for low FE on newer Pro engines is because of the marginal increase in power over the old models (7.8 vs 8.36 on new models). Yes Hero did make changes to it post the Honda split. And the machining quality of parts is terrible. My Splendor gives an average of 65kmpl but on a good day I've got 72kmpl and even 79kmpl within the first 50k KMS of running. Now I get somewhere between 62 to 68kmpl.

                            All bikes require a 2500km oil change, depending on your traffic conditions, terrain & roads and riding style. While 2500 is considered an ideal ODO range, people drain earlier to ensure long engine life. I drain at 2200kms and at times earlier by checking the viscosity. I've not heard any Dream Yuga owner getting 70kmpl yet or Dream Neo for that fact. I've a lot of friend who use the 110cc Honda Motor's bikes (CD110, Livo, Neo & Yuga). 4000kms is possible only when you keep top-uping the oil at regular intervals and frankly, it's better to drain and refill than doing it.

                            Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
                            Now, 2 questions decide the future of Hero Motocorp.

                            1. Will they update the 100c Cub engine or get rid of it?

                            2 Would they change the design of the original Splendor Plus or keep it untouched?
                            1. Most likely not since it can't be made BS6. It's going be an expensive conversion and such a smaller engine doesn't make sense to be converted. Also, BS6 engines require high compression which the Cub Motor might not be good with.

                            2. As long as they want to milk more money from the bike, they will do it for the same of the Splendor name.
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                            • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                              Originally posted by Bismaya View Post
                              Lubrication efficiency yes, in terms of design and oil flow pathways. Load pulling? What gives you the that idea? Kindly explain. Efficiency and laws of friction don't apply to orientation or engine positioning; hence lubrication. The reason for low FE on newer Pro engines is because of the marginal increase in power over the old models (7.8 vs 8.36 on new models). Yes Hero did make changes to it post the Honda split. And the machining quality of parts is terrible. My Splendor gives an average of 65kmpl but on a good day I've got 72kmpl and even 79kmpl within the first 50k KMS of running. Now I get somewhere between 62 to 68kmpl.

                              All bikes require a 2500km oil change, depending on your traffic conditions, terrain & roads and riding style. While 2500 is considered an ideal ODO range, people drain earlier to ensure long engine life. I drain at 2200kms and at times earlier by checking the viscosity. I've not heard any Dream Yuga owner getting 70kmpl yet or Dream Neo for that fact. I've a lot of friend who use the 110cc Honda Motor's bikes (CD110, Livo, Neo & Yuga). 4000kms is possible only when you keep top-uping the oil at regular intervals and frankly, it's better to drain and refill than doing it.



                              1. Most likely not since it can't be made BS6. It's going be an expensive conversion and such a smaller engine doesn't make sense to be converted. Also, BS6 engines require high compression which the Cub Motor might not be good with.

                              2. As long as they want to milk more money from the bike, they will do it for the same of the Splendor name.
                              My Passion Pro gives 65kpl in hilly roads of kerala. The roads and terrain in Odisha may be vastly different. These bikes are geared for carrying heavy loads. For a fact, the Honda supercub was designed to carry loads. These bikes are not much different. Other bikes may have better 0-60 performance but HH 100cc bikes have better load carrying power.

                              My father earlier had a Bajaj CT100. The bike was serviced ( oil change) at an interval of 3500-4000km. We used it for a good 95k km before selling it and it still used to give 75+ mileage. My uncles dream yuga gives min 70kpl under economy speeds & he changes oil at 3500km. I can't even dream of such oil change intervals on my Passion pro. I change oil at 2500km or else it becomes very rough.

                              Why did Hero adopt vertical design for their 110cc motor? In a press release Hero themselves said that the horizontal supercub engine has less cooling efficiency as the surface area exposed is less. So, they made a vertical unit to enhance the cooling and center of gravity. And engine cooling does determine the life of engine oil and fuel efficiency of the engine.

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                              • Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

                                Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
                                My Passion Pro gives 65kpl in hilly roads of kerala. The roads and terrain in Odisha may be vastly different. These bikes are geared for carrying heavy loads. For a fact, the Honda supercub was designed to carry loads. These bikes are not much different. Other bikes may have better 0-60 performance but HH 100cc bikes have better load carrying power.
                                Terrain are different for sure. Where do you live in Kerala? Loads are the reason why Hero bikes are geared short I guess, to gain good momentum. I think people will have a huge grin on their faces if they were ever to see the bike from which their engines have been sourced

                                Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
                                My father earlier had a Bajaj CT100. The bike was serviced ( oil change) at an interval of 3500-4000km. We used it for a good 95k km before selling it and it still used to give 75+ mileage. My uncles dream yuga gives min 70kpl under economy speeds & he changes oil at 3500km. I can't even dream of such oil change intervals on my Passion pro. I change oil at 2500km or else it becomes very rough.
                                I guess some bikes do last good for 3500kms but I think it's wise to drain earlier and be safe than sorry. The whole "if something isn't broke, why fix it" mentality is what lands our general motorcyclists in troubles over block seizures and all. Hero's machining quality has decreased ever since they broke the merger. I think's wise to drain early. My engine on Splendor got an overhaul (head cleanup, new valves; ODO read about 69,251kms). I've been careful enough to drain a bit early since the last two changes as my father has been using it for heavy density traffic commutes.

                                Originally posted by MotoMan View Post
                                Why did Hero adopt vertical design for their 110cc motor? In a press release Hero themselves said that the horizontal supercub engine has less cooling efficiency as the surface area exposed is less. So, they made a vertical unit to enhance the cooling and center of gravity. And engine cooling does determine the life of engine oil and fuel efficiency of the engine.
                                You are right about the part where surface area is better, hence flow is marginally easier. The better action of center of gravity is one of the reasons, cooling efficiency and besides they realised that it was high time to change that Cub engine. Besides the iSmart 110 mill retured 60-62ish on carb, so I assume it'll easily return 70+ on Fi.
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