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**SriramEfunds** · 06-22-2011, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Mzee_Maverik View Post

it must be 100% duplicate. i have the same oil pack and it is 450rs not 280rs and nothing is mentioned such as "specially for twin spark" and afaik it dosent matter for oil if ur bike has twin spark or single spark.

If the Oil can is not thrashed yet, can you post a picture? It would benefit the community to know how different from the original.

**veryhiphop** · 06-22-2011, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Mzee_Maverik View Post

it must be 100% duplicate. i have the same oil pack and it is 450rs not 280rs and nothing is mentioned such as "specially for twin spark" and afaik it dosent matter for oil if ur bike has twin spark or single spark.

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

There are two kinds of packing available in India.

Motul France - manufactures SS and FS oils and are sold via Atlantic Lubricants located in Mumbai. They just import and sell it to Indian consumers.

You also have Atlanta Lubricants manufacturing Mineral Oils licensed of Motul specification and sold in market. Namely 3000T, 3000 4T Plus oils etc. You'll find those oils are relatively less priced because of 1. Mineral 2. Manufactured in India.

So what you might have seen yesterday could be Indian Manufactured Mineral Oil. You have 3000 4T Plus Mineral oil which says the oil can be used by Yamaha, HH, Suzuki, Bajaj etc.

What Satyajit posted is an imported SS oil (5100 is SS, 300v FS and 7100 is FS).

The difference between Motul 300v and 7100 is 300v is double ester fully synthetic oil where as 7100 is ester synthetic oil which is also good one.

Sorry for lengthy explanation.

Very useful information. Thanks for sharing.

So, where i can buy a original and imported here in Delhi

**SriramEfunds** · 06-22-2011, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

Very useful information. Thanks for sharing.

So, where i can buy a original and imported here in Delhi

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**Mzee_Maverik** · 06-22-2011, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

If the Oil can is not thrashed yet, can you post a picture? It would benefit the community to know how different from the original.

it is the same can which was posted earlier.
still below are the same.

**SriramEfunds** · 06-22-2011, 02:33 PM

@Very Hiphop and Mzee_Maverik

Another difference between Indian Manufactured and Imported is the lid of the can.

Mineral Oil Made in India

Imported Oil from France

Indian do have the plastic wrapped as a seal before you open the cap. Where as the imported cans has a pull type seal which is again elongates to a funnel type for pouring and securing it back to close it.

**yash3** · 06-22-2011, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Mzee_Maverik View Post

nothing is mentioned such as "specially for twin spark" and afaik it dosent matter for oil if ur bike has twin spark or single spark.

bro it will be given " specially for twin spark " in 3000 T mineral oil ( MOTUL ) !

**satyajitrc** · 06-22-2011, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

There are two kinds of packing available in India.

Motul France - manufactures SS and FS oils and are sold via Atlantic Lubricants located in Mumbai. They just import and sell it to Indian consumers.

You also have Atlanta Lubricants manufacturing Mineral Oils licensed of Motul specification and sold in market. Namely 3000T, 3000 4T Plus oils etc. You'll find those oils are relatively less priced because of 1. Mineral 2. Manufactured in India.

So what you might have seen yesterday could be Indian Manufactured Mineral Oil. You have 3000 4T Plus Mineral oil which says the oil can be used by Yamaha, HH, Suzuki, Bajaj etc.

What Satyajit posted is an imported SS oil (5100 is SS, 300v FS and 7100 is FS).

The difference between Motul 300v and 7100 is 300v is double ester fully synthetic oil where as 7100 is ester synthetic oil which is also good one.

Sorry for lengthy explanation.

@ SriramEfunds,

Not lengthy at all

SIR, very precise and correct.
Your knowledge is known to me

but I am always inspired more & more.

But one thing is this SEMI SYNTHETIC or SYNTHETIC, sorry got

little confused.
Hope this Engine Oil is good enough for a City Biker.

@ ALL,

But there are some

duplicate Engine Oils from Motul, trying to gather a snap which was spotted once.

**SriramEfunds** · 06-22-2011, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by satyajitrc View Post

But one thing is this SEMI SYNTHETIC or SYNTHETIC, sorry got

little confused.

Motul 5100 is a Semi-Synthetic and 7100 / 300v are Fully Synthetic engine oil. They are very good however, would recommend it to an engine done at least 6000 kms.

The initial run in would require mineral to bind the moving parts inside the engine to mate well. What Synthetic oil does is that they form a thin layer and prevent proper compatibility between them. In simple words, mineral oil acts good in rubbing of metal parts make it smooth. Additionally mineral oil is comparatively less friction than synthetic so less heat.

After the initial run-in and followed by good run up to 6000kms, you can shift from mineral to semi-synthetic and then to synthetic.

The advantage of using Semi and Fully Synthetic oil is that, they form a thin coat inside and contribute smoothness of gear shift and lessen the vibration. The oil change interval is also longer than mineral. This is not read but I experienced with my ex-unicorn!

**luvurbike** · 06-23-2011, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

Motul 5100 is a Semi-Synthetic and 7100 / 300v are Fully Synthetic engine oil. They are very good however, would recommend it to an engine done at least 6000 kms.

The initial run in would require mineral to bind the moving parts inside the engine to mate well. What Synthetic oil does is that they form a thin layer and prevent proper compatibility between them. In simple words, mineral oil acts good in rubbing of metal parts make it smooth. Additionally mineral oil is comparatively less friction than synthetic so less heat.

After the initial run-in and followed by good run up to 6000kms, you can shift from mineral to semi-synthetic and then to synthetic.

The advantage of using Semi and Fully Synthetic oil is that, they form a thin coat inside and contribute smoothness of gear shift and lessen the vibration. The oil change interval is also longer than mineral. This is not read but I experienced with my ex-unicorn!

Very true... Would just beg to differ on bold part... IMO Synthetic oils have less friction than mineral oils..
For more info, refer to these links provided by psr in this post

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post652001

**SriramEfunds** · 06-23-2011, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by luvurbike View Post

Very true... Would just beg to differ on bold part... IMO Synthetic oils have less friction than mineral oils..
For more info, refer to these links provided by psr in this post

http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...tml#post652001

If I'm not wrong, SS and FS has more additives than mineral oils, however, with regards to heat, I would go to PSR for clarification as I had a conversation with him which I vaguely remember now. PSR...where are you??

I apologize to all for imperfect information and would duly take a note.

**psr** · 06-23-2011, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

If I'm not wrong, SS and FS has more additives than mineral oils, however, with regards to heat, I would go to PSR for clarification as I had a conversation with him which I vaguely remember now. PSR...where are you??

Gosh SRI I was asleep..at 2.00AM.....Yes the SS and FS do have more additives, and the true FS has smaller oil particles to make it lube better than the normal ss and mineral..another reason why FS on old engines likely to lead to oil leaks as it can get through small gaps .
Where heat stress is likely to be more better to use oils with less additives as the heat stress is likely to break down the additives and the oil will no longer do it's job.

I apologize to all for imperfect information and would duly take a note.
This thread is a very healthy and friendly one with mature people,sharing info...so don't worry.

replies in bold

**veryhiphop** · 06-23-2011, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

If I'm not wrong, SS and FS has more additives than mineral oils, however, with regards to heat, I would go to PSR for clarification as I had a conversation with him which I vaguely remember now. PSR...where are you??

I apologize to all for imperfect information and would duly take a note.

Originally posted by psr View Post

replies in bold

Appreciate for all your explanation....good one..

If Motul is not available (as not sure on original) then can we buy a yamaha/honda grade oil...will they work in ZMR?

**psr** · 06-23-2011, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

Appreciate for all your explanation....good one..

If Motul is not available (as not sure on original) then can we buy a yamaha/honda grade oil...will they work in ZMR?

Yama lube and Motul are supposed to be the same or even if they aren't still a good one..Honda i am not sure...

**satyajitrc** · 06-23-2011, 12:24 PM

Brake Fluid Dot-4

Originally posted by luvurbike View Post

Very true... Would just beg to differ on bold part... IMO Synthetic oils have less friction than mineral oils..
For more info, refer to these links provided by psr in this post

@ LUVURBIKE,
You people are just too good to be true.
I also had the same hitch

but could not speak due to my less knowledge.

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

I apologize to all for imperfect information and would duly take a note.

@ SRIRAM,
Nothing to apologise

as PSR has rightly said.
We are here to discuss and share knowledge obviously.

Not to discuss mindless arguments on the exceptional qualities of CBZ Xtreme

Originally posted by veryhiphop View Post

Appreciate for all your explanation....good one..

If Motul is not available (as not sure on original) then can we buy a yamaha/honda grade oil...will they work in ZMR?

@ HIPHOP,
Must be available somewhere there. This is very unlikely that MOTUL Engine Oil is not found. Ping some

X-Bhpians.

Now another very important issue on Brake Oils.

Probably everyone is aware that ZMR uses DOT-4 Brake Fluid which is mostly unavailable in HH SVC.

Hence I carry it along and ask them to refill or top up.
Last time somehow I managed a KBX on our lovely friend MOHSIN's suggestion.

Some suggest MOTUL also but not finding one easily.
Today morning bought CASTROL Dot-4 for Rs 75/- after discount.

Which one to use? Any specific brand?

Availability is also important for some cities, I guess as HIPHOP mentioned

**Dj_TheGame** · 06-23-2011, 12:40 PM

Hey guys I am planning to buy my new beast ZMr next week. I just wanted to know that does changing tyres outside to some other size voids the warranty. I found it hillarious but saw in some forums, so i thought just for a nice sleep ask u all .......

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