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  • New Battery Amaron 9AMP

    New Battery

    Hello guys,

    Trying to source a Amaron 9amp Battery and old battery cage for 2011 Zma since last week in mumbai Andheri(w) unable to find one, can any one help.


    also heard a lot of negative feedback for amaron from lot of battery shops here in mumbai so should i go with it or try amco or exide 9amp.

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    • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

      Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post
      Hi,

      Returned yesterday from 1500km solo trip to Munsyari ( Altitude- 9000ft )

      Route- Lucknow-pilibhit-champawat- pithoragarh- Munsiyari

      After getting carb choke problem sorted out i started my trip, for few 100 Kms all was well but again bike started missing/jerking, I continued my journey anyway. On plains I had no major issues apart from hiccups in acceleration but as hills started bike refused to go above 4500 RPM while climbing gradients ( this is the point where missing/jerking happening ). Though bike was climbing gradients in 3rd/4th gear at 4500RPM but at slow speed 40/45km/hr but not able to go further in revs and speed on gradients.

      When I reached at highest altitude 8000-9000ft, I felt that all power lost and could do in 2nd and 3rd gear only at 4500RPM, somehow slowly reached munsyari.

      I was so sad for this issue that I clicked only 2 pics of entire trip...

      After returning Lucknow I called once again Hero motocorp engineer and he told me to replace carb with new one in warranty.

      Guys, now I dont trust anyone in Hero or SC, pl suggest what could be the real issue. Any ignition system related, timing relatedor others.

      Experts pl help.
      Today replaced carburetor in warranty but same problem continues.

      Guys I am fed up now, pl help what to look for.

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      • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

        Originally posted by The Pain View Post
        The bulbs finally arrived. ! Cant wait to try it out.


        [ATTACH=CONFIG]149412[/ATTACH]
        Installed the bulb today. Took care not to touch the bulb at all .

        The difference is HUGE!! Love the improvement. Thanks for all your inputs guys.

        However, when the HLs on the horn feels very weak ( The stock horn setup is quite pathetic to begin with) . How does one solve this? Is a battery and horn upgrade called for?

        Thanks for any inputs you can provide. Cheers!!
        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebars to the saddle!

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        • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

          Originally posted by The Pain View Post
          Installed the bulb today. Took care not to touch the bulb at all .

          The difference is HUGE!! Love the improvement. Thanks for all your inputs guys.

          However, when the HLs on the horn feels very weak ( The stock horn setup is quite pathetic to begin with) . How does one solve this? Is a battery and horn upgrade called for?

          Thanks for any inputs you can provide. Cheers!!
          Most probably your battery is 7ah. I would recommend 9ah. But I think if your battery and horn is ok then it should work provided you run your bike long enough to get the battery charged during day time. Check the battery .

          And dont get me talking about 'stock anything' on the ZMA.

          Sent from my SM-G7102 using Tapatalk
          Last edited by acs1207; 07-04-2014, 10:09 PM.
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          • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

            Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post
            Today replaced carburetor in warranty but same problem continues.

            Guys I am fed up now, pl help what to look for.
            Since you have replaced the carb, I assume there is no issue with slide movement. Did you check accelerator cables? Does the throttle grip move freely and return to normal when you leave? Also, check the fuel cock and fuel tank for any debris. I feel enough fuel is not being supplied in to the firing chamber. What was the problem you got with choke?
            HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
            Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

            Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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            • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

              Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
              Since you have replaced the carb, I assume there is no issue with slide movement. Did you check accelerator cables? Does the throttle grip move freely and return to normal when you leave? Also, check the fuel cock and fuel tank for any debris. I feel enough fuel is not being supplied in to the firing chamber. What was the problem you got with choke?
              Hi Ravi, checked acclerator cable, fuel supply, fuel tank deposits etc...all ok.

              When this missing prob started, choke also not operating, I mean when applying full choke RPM not going above 2k.

              Should I try replacing air filter with new one?

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              • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post
                Hi Ravi, checked acclerator cable, fuel supply, fuel tank deposits etc...all ok.

                When this missing prob started, choke also not operating, I mean when applying full choke RPM not going above 2k.

                Should I try replacing air filter with new one?
                Is the choke problem solved? Is it going to 4k now with choke on? If not, I think there is some problem with fuel supply from tank. Check it again.

                Regarding air filter, if you have not changed, change it and see.
                HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                • Re: AFR and Idle RPMs

                  Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post
                  Approved and merged!

                  2.5 turns? How can that be rich? I thought 3.25-3.5 turns was the optimal AFR.
                  Originally posted by sibun View Post
                  Carb tuning varies from bike to bike. So 3 turns in some bike doesn't mean same will run for you. For tuning follow the procedure that i am telling. Warm up the engine by riding for 4-5 km. Ensure you are in an open area, increase the idle to 3k rpm with the idle screw. Now slowly with a thin screwdriver(use a line tester) turn the air fuel screw first in anticlockwise direction very slowly(1/16th of a turn at a time). Keep an eye on the tachometer. Check if the idle is increasing or decreasing. If it is decreasing then turn in reverse direction. Try to find the highest rpm by turning the air fuel screw. When you obtain the highest idling then turn the idling knob so that engine idles at 1.2k rpm. This will be your optimal setting.
                  Originally posted by psr View Post
                  3~3.5 turns of AFR screw is normal setting for a ZMA-R 30mm carburetor... Increase in RPM cold to Hot will be 150~250 RPM more. If it is more than indicated variation , then re-tune the AFR slightly rich by turning the AFR screw 90 degrees ANTI CLOCKWISE.
                  Thank you all. The only reason I guessed it was rich when set to three turns was because it stopped and the spark plug was covered in soot. Both the mechanic and the internet agree this is caused by rich fuel mixes. I will try sibun's method, and thanks to psr for the info

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                  • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                    Originally posted by ravi@17bhp View Post
                    Is the choke problem solved? Is it going to 4k now with choke on? If not, I think there is some problem with fuel supply from tank. Check it again.

                    Regarding air filter, if you have not changed, change it and see.
                    Ravi, engine is shutting down while applying choke on running engine at idle speed and engine not starting while applying choke and starting off engine.

                    Replaced air filter with new and had ride of 25 kms. Now missing is not there between 4k to 5k rpm, but now choke is not working.
                    Last edited by ankit.traveller; 07-04-2014, 11:31 PM.

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                    • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                      Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post
                      Ravi, engine is shutting down while applying choke on running engine at idle speed and engine not starting while applying choke and starting off engine.

                      Replaced air filter with new and had ride of 25 kms. Now missing is not there between 4k to 5k rpm, but now choke is not working.
                      I think its the issue with choke cable. The choke cable may be getting stuck in on position, cutting out the air, and flooding the chamber with more fuel. Because of this, the engine is being chocked. Thats what I feel. Lets wait for the inputs of [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION], [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] and other experts.
                      HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                      Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                      Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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                      • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                        Originally posted by acs1207 View Post
                        Most probably your battery is 7ah. I would recommend 9ah. But I think if your battery and horn is ok then it should work provided you run your bike long enough to get the battery charged during day time. Check the battery .

                        And dont get me talking about 'stock anything' on the ZMA.

                        Sent from my SM-G7102 using Tapatalk
                        Thanks. The battery and horn work fine. The horn now seems a bit feeble post installing the night breaker. Which 9ah battery is the best. Will it be a direct fit? Thanks

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                        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebars to the saddle!

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                        • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                          Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post
                          Today replaced carburetor in warranty but same problem continues.

                          Guys I am fed up now, pl help what to look for.
                          Did you try riding without the air filter ? If not give it a try... and do check your clutch plates too, they might be sticking and not functioning properly.

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                          • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                            Originally posted by The Pain View Post
                            Installed the bulb today. Took care not to touch the bulb at all .

                            The difference is HUGE!! Love the improvement. Thanks for all your inputs guys.

                            However, when the HLs on the horn feels very weak ( The stock horn setup is quite pathetic to begin with) . How does one solve this? Is a battery and horn upgrade called for?

                            Thanks for any inputs you can provide. Cheers!!
                            To solve your problem you can run horns using relay setup directly from your 7a battery.
                            Because your stock wiring is not capable of taking that much load.

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                            • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                              Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post
                              Hi Ravi, checked acclerator cable, fuel supply, fuel tank deposits etc...all ok.

                              When this missing prob started, choke also not operating, I mean when applying full choke RPM not going above 2k.

                              Should I try replacing air filter with new one?
                              I haven't read your previous posts before your ride to the hills.. I was just wondering. Have you checked for water inside the tank? if you apply choke and if the engine is shutting off, then it could be because of water in the tank.. also check for deposits in the fuel knob.. remove it and get it cleaned.. if all this is done and still the issue persists, then I feel it could also do with the ignition coil. wire is probably loose or something. does the bike shut off in the middle of riding??

                              How old is your bike?? could the cause be due to sticky valves? back in 2009 before I sold my ZMA, i had this problem except i wasn't able to above 90 kmph no matter how much acceleration I had to give.. on my return, the bike seemed to do better...
                              [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir [MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] where are you guys??
                              Splendor - 2k to 2006
                              Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                              P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                              Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                              ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                              RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                              Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                              RayZ - 2015 til now
                              Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                              Delhi to Narkanda
                              Delhi to Coimbatore
                              Delhi to Nepal

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                              • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                                Originally posted by Lokesh027 View Post
                                To solve your problem you can run horns using relay setup directly from your 7a battery.
                                Because your stock wiring is not capable of taking that much load.
                                if a relay is used for the horn in the current set up the headlight might dim when horn is used.
                                Change brake light bulbs to 5/10w ones.
                                change either front or back indicator bulbs to led (u may hav to change flasher unit)
                                change park light to led.
                                these will lighten the load on the battery.

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