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  • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

    Originally posted by george katie View Post
    Ravi...if you can help me post pics of the swingarm bearings and caps you mentioned above. Thanks.

    My mechanic showed me 4 plastic black caps and said its 300 for each.

    He didn't mention about the 2 steel bearings.
    Am confused now. Pls help. Thanks.

    Editing after seeing the swingarm parts manual page.

    There are
    1. 4 Bushes.
    2. 4 Dust Caps
    3. 2 Bearings or collar swing arm (pivot).

    So should I change all of it to eliminate the swingarm wobbling?
    Pls explain Ravi.
    Thanks.
    I too faced this issue earlier. Whenever i hit a pothole there used to be wobble. Changed the cone set and this wobble vanished. You can try this first as Ravi mentioned
    karizmatic

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    • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

      issue fixed;

      This morning i headed straight to the show room. asked the mechanic to change the t cone set. he said sir we need not diagnose properly before chaning things. he doubts a problem on the fork and t stem. i said let us change the cone set and see what happens. he said there is a lot of other bikes. he asked me to leave the bike and pick it by evening. i just purchased the t cone set from show room and headed to a road side mechanic. work was done in 1 hour.

      rode the bike and i was happy. no twisties and no wobbles. straight as an arrow and handling is back. the mechanic said he wanted 100 rupee as labour. i gave him 200 rupees. i was happy and it is beacause of you guys. special thanks to ravi and ak3d.

      i don't whether it's wright to post here:

      i'm 25 and my brother is 22. we have a cbz xtreme at home with 70,000kms and it's 2008 model. my brother has graduated from college and he wants a new bike now.
      he is urging me to sell xtreme. we both use both bikes on alternative days. he was asking for duke 200 or cbr 250r. he wants a faired one.

      my point is i have asked him to wait till hero releases hx250r. but he is in no mood to listen. my point is at hero may release the hx250 within december 2014 and then decide on. the cbz has more juice left in its engine and it still gives 45 to 50 and per mechanic the bike can do another 10 to 12k without any engine work.

      am i right here? or i sell xtreme and get duke.

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      • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

        Originally posted by pravinan View Post
        issue fixed;

        This morning i headed straight to the show room. asked the mechanic to change the t cone set. he said sir we need not diagnose properly before chaning things. he doubts a problem on the fork and t stem. i said let us change the cone set and see what happens. he said there is a lot of other bikes. he asked me to leave the bike and pick it by evening. i just purchased the t cone set from show room and headed to a road side mechanic. work was done in 1 hour.

        rode the bike and i was happy. no twisties and no wobbles. straight as an arrow and handling is back. the mechanic said he wanted 100 rupee as labour. i gave him 200 rupees. i was happy and it is beacause of you guys. special thanks to ravi and ak3d.

        i don't whether it's wright to post here:

        i'm 25 and my brother is 22. we have a cbz xtreme at home with 70,000kms and it's 2008 model. my brother has graduated from college and he wants a new bike now.
        he is urging me to sell xtreme. we both use both bikes on alternative days. he was asking for duke 200 or cbr 250r. he wants a faired one.

        my point is i have asked him to wait till hero releases hx250r. but he is in no mood to listen. my point is at hero may release the hx250 within december 2014 and then decide on. the cbz has more juice left in its engine and it still gives 45 to 50 and per mechanic the bike can do another 10 to 12k without any engine work.

        am i right here? or i sell xtreme and get duke.
        Glad to see the issue has been solved. I just want to mention one point here. If you are not using ASS regularly find a good reliable mech and make him yiur regular mech. That way he will know your bike and what all was done. My current mech remembers what he has done to my zma from when I started going to him.
        One thing I tell him is to use oe parts as far as possible and never overcharge me for spares. To compensate for whatever commission he may be losing I also ask him never to under charge me. I round off his bill to the next 50 or 100.

        Happy riding.
        Last edited by acs1207; 07-03-2014, 06:31 AM.
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        • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

          Originally posted by pravinan View Post
          issue fixed;

          i'm 25 and my brother is 22. we have a cbz xtreme at home with 70,000kms and it's 2008 model. my brother has graduated from college and he wants a new bike now.
          he is urging me to sell xtreme. we both use both bikes on alternative days. he was asking for duke 200 or cbr 250r. he wants a faired one.

          am i right here? or i sell xtreme and get duke.
          Glad you got it sorted out!
          Also as [MENTION=39423]acs1207[/MENTION] said, keep in touch with a good mech and have them handle your bike, and most things will be taken care of by them to your satisfaction if you build a good rapport with them.

          About your other query, you won't get too much for the Xtreme, so keep it as a backup/spare vehicle and for regular city travel and use the other bike for touring etc. I would personally suggest the CBR250R any day, as a hassle free and reliable vehicle. You might want to wait before purchasing as Honda might launch the revamped 250R or the 300R with increased power this year.

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          • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

            The bulbs finally arrived. ! Cant wait to try it out.


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            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebars to the saddle!

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            • AFR and Idle RPMs

              I'm setting the AFR (air fuel ratio) on my Karizma. After my relatively new bike stopped by the road side from a fouled spark plug, I realised it was running rich and turned it down from 3 turns to 2.5 turns. In the past my bike(which had been adjusted for AFR by a mechanic) would maintain more or less the same RPM even after the engine got a bit warm. Under the new set up it rises from 1250 rpm to 1500 or so after a long drive in traffic. Have I messed it up? As far as I can tell it doesn't misfire/no gunshots, when coasting down from 70 kph so its not lean so it still too rich

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              • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                Originally posted by The Pain View Post
                The bulbs finally arrived. ! Cant wait to try it out.
                A word of advice,
                Do NOT touch the bulb with your bare hands/fingers. Oil deposits can lead to bulb failure in these high power halogens.
                Avoid touching the front element at all, use gloves and hold the bulb by the prongs or metal side.

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                • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                  Originally posted by AK3D View Post
                  A word of advice,
                  Do NOT touch the bulb with your bare hands/fingers. Oil deposits can lead to bulb failure in these high power halogens.
                  Avoid touching the front element at all, use gloves and hold the bulb by the prongs or metal side.
                  Sure will do. Thanks.
                  Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebars to the saddle!

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                  • Re: AFR and Idle RPMs

                    Originally posted by rcazador View Post
                    I'm setting the AFR (air fuel ratio) on my Karizma. After my relatively new bike stopped by the road side from a fouled spark plug, I realised it was running rich and turned it down from 3 turns to 2.5 turns. In the past my bike(which had been adjusted for AFR by a mechanic) would maintain more or less the same RPM even after the engine got a bit warm. Under the new set up it rises from 1250 rpm to 1500 or so after a long drive in traffic. Have I messed it up? As far as I can tell it doesn't misfire/no gunshots, when coasting down from 70 kph so its not lean so it still too rich
                    Approved and merged!

                    2.5 turns? How can that be rich? I thought 3.25-3.5 turns was the optimal AFR.
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                    • Re: AFR and Idle RPMs

                      Originally posted by rcazador View Post
                      I'm setting the AFR (air fuel ratio) on my Karizma. After my relatively new bike stopped by the road side from a fouled spark plug, I realised it was running rich and turned it down from 3 turns to 2.5 turns. In the past my bike(which had been adjusted for AFR by a mechanic) would maintain more or less the same RPM even after the engine got a bit warm. Under the new set up it rises from 1250 rpm to 1500 or so after a long drive in traffic. Have I messed it up? As far as I can tell it doesn't misfire/no gunshots, when coasting down from 70 kph so its not lean so it still too rich
                      Carb tuning varies from bike to bike. So 3 turns in some bike doesn't mean same will run for you. For tuning follow the procedure that i am telling. Warm up the engine by riding for 4-5 km. Ensure you are in an open area, increase the idle to 3k rpm with the idle screw. Now slowly with a thin screwdriver(use a line tester) turn the air fuel screw first in anticlockwise direction very slowly(1/16th of a turn at a time). Keep an eye on the tachometer. Check if the idle is increasing or decreasing. If it is decreasing then turn in reverse direction. Try to find the highest rpm by turning the air fuel screw. When you obtain the highest idling then turn the idling knob so that engine idles at 1.2k rpm. This will be your optimal setting.
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                      • Re: AFR and Idle RPMs

                        Originally posted by rcazador View Post
                        I'm setting the AFR (air fuel ratio) on my Karizma. After my relatively new bike stopped by the road side from a fouled spark plug, I realised it was running rich and turned it down from 3 turns to 2.5 turns. In the past my bike(which had been adjusted for AFR by a mechanic) would maintain more or less the same RPM even after the engine got a bit warm. Under the new set up it rises from 1250 rpm to 1500 or so after a long drive in traffic. Have I messed it up? As far as I can tell it doesn't misfire/no gunshots, when coasting down from 70 kph so its not lean so it still too rich
                        3~3.5 turns of AFR screw is normal setting for a ZMA-R 30mm carburetor... Increase in RPM cold to Hot will be 150~250 RPM more. If it is more than indicated variation , then re-tune the AFR slightly rich by turning the AFR screw 90 degrees ANTI CLOCKWISE.
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                        • test drive zma r 2014

                          my colleague was in the idea of getting a new bike. he is using a tvs vicotr. he wants a bike within 1 lakh range. he shortlisted and was about to yamaha fazer.

                          We both went for test drive of zma 2014. test drive was done to nerkundaram, hero show room. this is the show room from where i got my karizma and cbz xtreme
                          test drive was readily available.

                          i'm going to compare the 2014 zma with mine.

                          build quality:

                          the bike feel sturdy. the bolts and nuts on the front cowl looks better than old bike. yet there was vibes and squeezes from the tall cowl.

                          seating postion:

                          the knee recess is the same as the old bike. but the seating position is slightly higher and the handle bar are not wider and placed lower hence results in a bit sporty position. i felt this bike to be easy to ride in traffic than my my bike. but the downside is heavily built guys will have a crook to their shoulders to hold the handle bar. the rvm offer a good view of things behind.

                          engine performance:

                          this is the question that i came to my mind? acceleration? top speed? the test bike has already done 2300kms. as soon as you start the bike and move on you will realize that you are riding a tuned karizma. the way the engine behaves is as if my it's tuned by a race specialist. the bike feels more sprighted and powerful in the lower end than my zma. the 1st, 2nd,3rd gears really pushed the bike.

                          i was riding at 50 in 5th gear. if i twist the throttle, the power delivery will be lazy in my zma but the new bike responds immediately. the engine note gets different above 5000rpm, the exhaust sound is more basier now.

                          what's the top speed? i took the bike to madurayoal-porur-ambattur toll way and i was able to touch a speedo indicated top speed of 130 around 7500 rpm. the engine had more juice left in it. this speed was done with a pillion rider. one thing i found is that bike revs easily than the old bike.

                          drawbacks:

                          1. brakes- the rear drum brakes lacks any feedback. it's just numb and with the current engine being more powerful and the bike rushes ahead. the rider is left wanting for rear disk brake. the rear drums are useless. come on hero, please provide as a rear disk brake.

                          apart from this the brakes, the bike feels good to ride.

                          positives:

                          1. peppy acceleration. when the engine gets set, a touch speed of 135 should not be a big deal.
                          2. in gear acceleration and roll on speeds are very good.
                          3. super grip tyres. you won't feel the need for tyre upgrade.
                          4. suspension is same as the old zma. very comfortable.
                          5. build quality is quite good.

                          what they could have added?
                          red mag wheels, yellow speedo as in the old gen zma r. that would suited this bike very much.

                          to sum it up: at 95000 rupee still this bike hold it's value for money

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                          • Re: test drive zma r 2014

                            ^@pravinan, post your query in 'What Bike Section'. This thread is Ownership thread of ZMA/ZMA-R.
                            HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
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                            • Re: test drive zma r 2014

                              Hi guys, I need your advice.

                              I saw this advertisement on OLX (hero honda karizma zmr urgent sale - Delhi - Motorcycles - Scooters - Mayur Vihar 1)

                              This is my first time, I ever decided to go for second hand bike, SO i am totally nub in this area.

                              What are the things i need to check , is this guy asking right money ???

                              Please help and suggest to clear my doubt.
                              Last edited by jammbuster; 07-04-2014, 12:39 PM.

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                              • Re: Karizma/Karizma R

                                Originally posted by george katie View Post
                                Ravi...if you can help me post pics of the swingarm bearings and caps you mentioned above. Thanks.

                                My mechanic showed me 4 plastic black caps and said its 300 for each.

                                He didn't mention about the 2 steel bearings.
                                Am confused now. Pls help. Thanks.

                                Editing after seeing the swingarm parts manual page.

                                There are
                                1. 4 Bushes.
                                2. 4 Dust Caps
                                3. 2 Bearings or collar swing arm (pivot).

                                So should I change all of it to eliminate the swingarm wobbling?
                                Pls explain Ravi.
                                Thanks.
                                Sorry for my late reply. Karizma has 4 bushes, 4 dust caps and 2 metal pivot bushes. Where as ZMR has 2 bearings (instead of 4 bushes), two collar pivot bushes, and four dust caps. Replace all of the ZMA swing arm parts with ZMR swing arm parts. Now, you have to use ZMR's 2 bearings, four dust caps, and two collar pivot bushes. I will post the pics soon. If your mechanic can't fit them, take it to a lathe machine.

                                I will post pics soon.
                                HH Karizma (Current) || CBF Stunner PGM-FI || Honda CB Unicorn Dazzler
                                Honda Aviator || Kinetic Flyte || Kinetic Blaze || HH Splendor

                                Two ZMAs, 9 Days in Western Ghats

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