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**Sarvajit** · 08-04-2009, 10:50 AM

@vams: Don't get bogged down by what happened. I can understand your love for the bike, but it is a bike afterall. You are safe&thats what matters. Nothing more precious than your own life.
If insurance cannot be claimed, wait for your Dad to be back&try to convince him that you were responsible&will be when riding. He will definitely get your bike fixed.
We all are here to see that your baby comes back into her old shape again. Please feel free to call any of us for help in getting the right repairs done at the right places.

**imjoshee** · 08-04-2009, 11:45 AM

Hello Friends,
I am planning to buy a Karizma.Can you please help me with some review of the bike like cost of the spares,engine life etc etc.

Thanking you all in advance.

Vishal

**Jithu** · 08-04-2009, 11:57 AM

Need Help !!

Hai all .. I need some help.
I am using a 2007 April model Karizma (19 k kilometers) for last three months ..i bought it second hand ..
The bike is fully in stock condition (except the 55/60 w Philips extreme power headlight I fitted).
After i got the bike I had to change many parts including clutch plate , clutch plate assembly (full), cam tenser and some other stuffs (and some body parts too including front cowl ).
Now The bike is running smooth and fine and got a max mileage 42 , min 28 and giving me constant 35 avg mileage . I really love the bike and now addicted to it especially the way it cruses on 80 at 5 k RPM .
I am now working in Chennai and I went to Pondicherry , Bangalore and some other Road trips with the bike and it is simply awesome for touring .
But now I am facing a problem the bike is not getting a good top end . I have touched 130 on it but the problem is the bike is showing variable top speed. Most of the times it is not crossing 110 (with pillion)
And sometimes it got stuck at even 100

(Rpm around 6k not going above) . The Rpm is not going above 7 most of the times (at 5 th gear) . But the initial pick up is good. it will touch up to 100 easily but after 100 the performance degrades .The confusing thing is that in my pondi trip I touched 130 with pillion(Rpm 8)

and on for first two hours on the Bangalore trip the bike was touching 125 but after two hours it refuses to go above 110 whatever I do . These days the bike is stuck at 110 top speed

. I am really wondering what’s wrong with my bike . I took it to one Mechanic, told my problem but after servicing also the problem exists After that I tried two Hero Honda service centers but no change.
Can anyone tell me what will be the problem?

(or which part of the bike wil be the probably cause) Can any chennai Xbhpians help me to find a good Karizma Mechanic ?

**Jithu** · 08-04-2009, 12:15 PM

Another thing i want to ask ..

1. In 5 th gear whats the maximum Rpm attained by your bike?
2. Whats the top speed you are getting? and at what RPM?
3. Does wind affect the top speed? (the thing is that when i travelled in opposit direction of the road i am getting more top speed)

Thanks in advance

**Sudharshaninu** · 08-04-2009, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by vams View Post

am not gonna get my bike done throught that damage ...thought i hv got the insurance done fr it i dnt hv a permanent driving licence as i got my bike jst couple of months ago so according to some rules of the corresponding insurance ,the incurance can be claimed only if the owner of the vehicle has a licence and the worst part is that i booked a slot fr my driving test and its on 6th of this month and m gonna get the licence in couple of days bt the insurance part is out of my hands now as we need to produce all the documents at the date of accident.....the damage estimated by he hh showroom ppl was around 10,000 and right nw i cnt afford fr such a huge budget and get my bike done coz of few family problems ..i struggled a lot to get my karizma it ws my dream that when ever i buy a bike irrespective age my first bike shud be karizma i almost struggled fr one and half year to get it frm the day i joined my engg. 1st year i used to save evn a single pie i took a big box packed it completely ,made a small whole through which i cn drop the money into that box,like that i saved 18000 in one and half year without spending my pocket money and wen i finished my engg. 2nd yr i finally got my new karizma i really struggled a lot to convince my parents fr buying me that bike ,they dint want me to take that bike coz they heard frm many ppl that it goes fast and no good mileage performance n all bt i gave them a word that i wnt drive it fast .....bt nw i dnt wanna be a burden to my parents anymore so thinking to get my bike back home ...il get one headlight fixed to it and do some minor and imp things fixed thats it...am nt able to show my face to my parents nor evn i cud see myself in the mirror i cudnt keep my word nor maintain my karizma m jst ashamed of myself i jst pray no one shud face such situations ...usually it happens wen eva u hv an accidents as we all kno accidents are to hapen bt the thing is cudnt digest that i am helpless fr my karizma and hv to use it in the same manner as it is and this is the first night am alone without my bike fr the time i bouhgt it... I REALLY MISS MY BIKE

hey bro i am really sorry for what happened ... be positive still the heart of the zma is in good form .. just fix a head like and drive it like before .. when u get money change it back to the stock form .. till then ride with a headlight like that of fz or anyother kind available in the market .. zma is always zma no mater what happens to the looks of the bike .. just go through the tougher times in life u will surely see a bright days ahead .

good luck for ur days ahead .. i too have faced problems like this .. so just bare it ... take care

**omkarm89** · 08-04-2009, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by imjoshee View Post

Hello Friends,
I am planning to buy a Karizma.Can you please help me with some review of the bike like cost of the spares,engine life etc etc.

Thanking you all in advance.

Vishal

Wait for the new zma r dude,its pgmfi......its gonna b launched in diwali....dnt b in a hurry

**moeed** · 08-05-2009, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by vams View Post

am not gonna get my bike done throught that damage ...thought i hv got the insurance done fr it i dnt hv a permanent driving licence as i got my bike jst couple of months ago so according to some rules of the corresponding insurance ,the incurance can be claimed only if the owner of the vehicle has a licence and the worst part is that i booked a slot fr my driving test and its on 6th of this month and m gonna get the licence in couple of days bt the insurance part is out of my hands now as we need to produce all the documents at the date of accident.....the damage estimated by he hh showroom ppl was around 10,000 and right nw i cnt afford fr such a huge budget and get my bike done coz of few family problems ..i struggled a lot to get my karizma it ws my dream that when ever i buy a bike irrespective age my first bike shud be karizma i almost struggled fr one and half year to get it frm the day i joined my engg. 1st year i used to save evn a single pie i took a big box packed it completely ,made a small whole through which i cn drop the money into that box,like that i saved 18000 in one and half year without spending my pocket money and wen i finished my engg. 2nd yr i finally got my new karizma i really struggled a lot to convince my parents fr buying me that bike ,they dint want me to take that bike coz they heard frm many ppl that it goes fast and no good mileage performance n all bt i gave them a word that i wnt drive it fast .....bt nw i dnt wanna be a burden to my parents anymore so thinking to get my bike back home ...il get one headlight fixed to it and do some minor and imp things fixed thats it...am nt able to show my face to my parents nor evn i cud see myself in the mirror i cudnt keep my word nor maintain my karizma m jst ashamed of myself i jst pray no one shud face such situations ...usually it happens wen eva u hv an accidents as we all kno accidents are to hapen bt the thing is cudnt digest that i am helpless fr my karizma and hv to use it in the same manner as it is and this is the first night am alone without my bike fr the time i bouhgt it... I REALLY MISS MY BIKE

I can understand your situation bro. ZMA fall is really heavy on the pocket. The repairs on my sir's zma costed 32500 bucks. If that was not enough, I had to undergo plastic surgery which costed me another 21000 bucks, 2 weeks of bed rest, all that mental agony, etc. That's why I didn't buy a zma since I knew that I was not mature enough to handle the bike then. As you know the first thing which comes to mind after owning the beast is to check the top speed. I didn't want to crash on such deadly speeds as 140 km/h and cause a mental trauma to my parents and also be a burden on them. That's why I had to control my desires for a zma and went for a Platina since it woild not cost much if you crash on it. I had a crash on my bike at the same speed as the one which I had on the zma. The damage to me and my bike was almost nil, thanks to the leg guard. The leg guard was slightly bent and there were a few scratches on the front fairing. I didn't even bother to change them as they are not readily visible. After both of these crashes I felt that I did a wise decision of not going by looks and power but being practical. This bike saves a lot of money on petrol for me and I can easily go on long rides on the highway.
Finally I would say that, If you need something, you have to lose something.

Hope you get your bike repaired and see you back in action.

Ride safe and responsibly!

**imjoshee** · 08-05-2009, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by omkarm89 View Post

Wait for the new zma r dude,its pgmfi......its gonna b launched in diwali....dnt b in a hurry

Thanks for the reply Omkar,but I badly need a bike and cant wait for around 2 months more for the PGMFi.I understand that the new version will be refined and etc etc but I happened to check the photographs that are uploaded here as mentioning the new ZMA R & I did not like them.So can you please help me on this and my earlier query.

Thanks

Vishal

**Sudharshaninu** · 08-05-2009, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by imjoshee View Post

Hello Friends,
I am planning to buy a Karizma.Can you please help me with some review of the bike like cost of the spares,engine life etc etc.

Thanking you all in advance.

Vishal

don't see anything .. just go for it ... its a great bike .. i own a 220 dtsi .. but still my love for zma never ends .. whenever i see a zma i feel jealous of that guy .. the engine is so smooth .. u feel like riding a flight ... spares are little high but dont consider it .. it has got one of the best engine .. more reliable ... mileage u will get around 35 .. my opinion is just go for it .. new zma pgm-fi will be too costly .. so just go for the zma R if u love zma and craze of it .. just an opinion of mine

happy ride

**ravi@17bhp** · 08-05-2009, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Jithu View Post

Hai all .. I need some help.
I am using a 2007 April model Karizma (19 k kilometers) for last three months ..i bought it second hand ..
The bike is fully in stock condition (except the 55/60 w Philips extreme power headlight I fitted).
After i got the bike I had to change many parts including clutch plate , clutch plate assembly (full), cam tenser and some other stuffs (and some body parts too including front cowl ).
Now The bike is running smooth and fine and got a max mileage 42 , min 28 and giving me constant 35 avg mileage . I really love the bike and now addicted to it especially the way it cruses on 80 at 5 k RPM .
I am now working in Chennai and I went to Pondicherry , Bangalore and some other Road trips with the bike and it is simply awesome for touring .
But now I am facing a problem the bike is not getting a good top end . I have touched 130 on it but the problem is the bike is showing variable top speed. Most of the times it is not crossing 110 (with pillion)

Can anyone tell me what will be the problem?

(or which part of the bike wil be the probably cause) Can any chennai Xbhpians help me to find a good Karizma Mechanic ?

Jitu, keep all the following things in mind.

1. Top speed is affected by heavy winds (I guess there are so many now in monsoon season, particularly near sea).
2. Top speed is affected by pillion.

The above two points affect the top speed particularly above 100 speed.

A normal karizma goes easily up to 110, and it struggles from there to go till 130. After reaching 110, if the road is a up slope or if there is opposite or cross winds, bike struggles to go beyond.

The best cruising speed for Zma is 100. You can occasionally go to 120 and you cannot always go at 120.

Because you were able to achieve 130 speeds at times, I guess your bike is very much normal. May be you are expecting the bike to quickly reach higher speeds after attaining 110. Remember after attaining 110 kmph, karizma takes more time to reach the top speed (135 kmph speedo indicated). Also with pillion bike needs more pull at higher speeds to attain top speeds.

Hope I cleared some of your thoughts.

If you want to quickly achieve the top speeds with pillion, shift to 5th gear at 80-90 kmph speed. You can do the same when you ride alone.

It is not advisable to go beyond 8k rpm in 5th gear.

Based on your inputs, I guess your bike is fine. If you want any further clarifications I am happy to help you.

Ravi.

**Jithu** · 08-05-2009, 08:17 PM

Thank you Ravi for clarifiying it so deeply and clearly
Thank you very much for your time and attention

by the way i would like to know few more things regardign this

1. In 5 th gear whats the maximum Rpm attained by your bike?
2. Whats the top speed you are getting? and at what RPM?

and What is the recommended tyre pressure for Karizma for front and rear
.i have stock tyres . Morning to office i ride with pillion and evening i ride alone . Which pressure will be better?? which one is you all following?

what is decarbonisation?? one xbhpian suggested me to do decarbonisation on the bike for better results..Will HH guys do this?
how much it will cost??

**sheelpriye** · 08-05-2009, 08:18 PM

its been 4 months since i saw my baby off, but 120 was never a problem and i never saw more than 130 on the speedo,
snick to 4th at around 95(its intoxicating) and fifth once you are about 9k rpm

only if there is a road desered & straight as an arrow your bike will cross 7k rpm in 5th

**Jithu** · 08-05-2009, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

only if there is a road desered & straight as an arrow your bike will cross 7k rpm in 5th

So 7k is the max RPm you are gettign on the bike at 5 th gear right??

then i think as Ravi told my bike is quite normal .. My over expectation about the bike may be the problem

. I doubted my bike has a problem only after i heard Zma can easily cross 120 and toch 130 (even with pillion) and on 5 th gear it can go above 8 k rpm (or touch )

**ravi@17bhp** · 08-05-2009, 08:36 PM

Jitu,

5h gear speeds at different RPMS

4k rpm - 60 kmph
5k rpm - 80 kmph
6k rpm - 100 kmph
7k rpm - 110 kmph
8k-8.5k - above 120 kmph

You can touch 8k in 5 th gear. Once I reached 8.5k and my bike's engine was shut (redline at 8k rpm). It started only after 20 min.

Because you have already changed many spares in the engine, I do not think decarbonization is required. If you do not take care of engine oil and if you put bad petrol, in long-term carbon deposits will accumulate. Old engines would get benefited from decarbonization.

My bike is now almost 40k and it still holds good. I have taken utmost care of engine oil, spark plug, proper chain lubrication, and air filter. These are very important for getting optimum performance from the bike.

Jitu, when did you change your air filter? Did you check if it is clean? If it is more than 15k, it is better to change the air filter. Also same case with spark plug. Also stick to HH 10w30 oil for good results (only from Idemitsu).

**Jithu** · 08-05-2009, 08:40 PM

ok Ravi .. now i got a better picture

Originally posted by Jithu View Post

What is the recommended tyre pressure for Karizma for front and rear
.i have stock tyres . Morning to office i ride with pillion and evening i ride alone . Which pressure will be better?? which one is you all following?

tyre pressure??

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