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I get your point, I also think the move wasn't that hard compared to the damage it did. But my words come from the result of the action, rather than the action itself.
For consistency, I agree that I favoured Marc in Jerez and considering that I think he can be let off. For the wire that broke, I think honda or other manufactures have to rethink about how to place such critical parts out of riders reach so similar incidents are not repeated.

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(Not flaming or attacking you, to set the pretext)

So, if you are only judging mistakes by the result of their action, are you also suggesting by extension, that (seemingly informed) "mistakes", however dangerous they are, should not be penalized if no one gets hurt eventually?

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No, that's not what I'm suggesting, and personally I take every situation individually and that's why I never had the Jerez incident in mind when i thought about this one. So no carrying loads for me. I wouldn't count the number of mistakes a rider does before penalising him. That's why I agree with you that since the action wasn't that risky at all he should just be given a warning to ride safe and not more.
For this case, as I said he can be let off, since it wasn't intentional and just an incident that caused damage. Marc did pickup the bike when he felt he couldn't take the corner in that speed in that place.

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All race machines need to be reviewed both by the teams themselves and the safety commission.

Truth remains that MM never knocked off Ped. But, MM needs a counselling by the race direction. Running into the rider in front is common but, he has been doing that consistently. This can turn ugly any time.

Why the media is calling it, "spectacular crash"? Buggers!

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the Poll is up on crash.net, lets see how many are in favor of Marc in this case
Aragon MotoGP: POLL: Should Marc Marquez be penalised? | MotoGP News | Sep 2013 | Crash.Net


can you believe it? around 12.5% are also saying he should be disqualified

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Without hinting at the now probable result of the championship and adding into the ongoing controversy, I would say that this is the 1st time that Marquez will have to learn something about controlled aggression by riding in the most premium class of motorcycle racing, the MotoGP. Moto2 and Moto3 are still very different even though run and controlled by the same Dorna sports. MotoGP is different. This is the class where you unlearn things and then learn new things irrespective of your experience and the result that you might have had in the 2 lower classes. There's a reason why it is said "racing with the big boys"!!

Look at Lorenzo. Not until he spent an year at least in the MotoGP class, he was more selfishly proud of his achievements rather than being wise as he is now even when he was already a double championship winner in the 250cc class. This class, MotoGP, actually develops a boy into a man no matter what you have achieved in the past and how! Similar is the case with Marquez, it's his 1st year in MotoGP and even though he is well on his way to become the rookie world champion, he is still a boy at 20 years of age and has much to learn about "life in MotoGP" not least of which is how to use his riding aggression progressively. Whether he should be held responsible for Pedrosa's crash or not is a different matter, but he will be a changed and much wiser rider next year. This is just natural, there's no alternative for experience!

Next year and onwards, Marquez will still be aggressive (before age starts to play the role in his riding strategy) and he will still be fun to watch, but he will start having a personality change something like Lorenzo had. Marquez is a quick learner we all have seen that and combined with his immense natural talent, aggression and current fearlessness he is extremely lethal right now. This is the biggest reason of his success so far as the MotoGP rookie. We will see how he approaches his future championship campaigns when he is more aware of the risks and their repercussions while racing.

Marquez is raw right now and so is his riding. He still have to develop this into a race-craft that shall get him more wold titles in the future.

And that is why I will always love Rossi. At 34, he is still lovely to watch and his race craft is unquestionable. He is still aggressive and could still be the toughest to dog fight with if his pace is consistently competitive. Whether he gets another world title or not, I will still in all probability shed few tears the day he will retire from racing.

We shall see what becomes of Marquez in the coming years.

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+1


+1 .

as for the bias towards him, dorna (and people in general) want a golden boy. rossi was their golden boy for a decade and now MM is. one of the things stoner was so pissed off about with dorna and most motogp fans.

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marquez does need to improve his braking though..he keeps on nearly doing shit like this...so many times this season we have seen how he has been on the verge of clipping or touching dani or jorge from behind (some of those times were really really close)...in jerez he braked so damn late and entered the corner so hot and fast he was lucky lorenzo's bike was there to bump against and get his line corrected, else very likely it'd have been him in the gravel there that time...he is fast and exciting and everything, but he has very less finesse in his braking...it's very crude and rough, perhaps why it's also exciting to watch him ride, but it's not as perfected and professional like rossi's, lorenzo's and stoner's (despite him moving and sliding a lot too) styles are and as a pro motogp racer i feel he should finesse his (braking) style, if nothing else at least for his own good because he is lucky his front doesnt actually fold as much as it almost nearly does so many times according to his own comments...guess he will finesse it in the future, he has a lot of time, it's only his first season on a 250hp bike after all and against some other best riders in the world..

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Marquez knows how to brake Braking is not his problem, his aggression is. Since he is too aggressive at times, it affects his braking. He would land in gravel more often if braking was his primary issue.

Dorna wouldn't and can't be biased enough and make rules around one sportsperson so as to make the sport his own game! In one way or the other, we must understand that the rider is no less a reason than the sport itself to attract the massive viewership and that too for decades. The stands, at any track, are filled with fans holding banners for their favorite riders! If at all, what Dorna could try and do is convince Rossi stay in MotoGP for as long as possible. They know he still attracts the biggest crowd in most race tracks and the TV viewership. Beyond that, they can't be anymore biased in favor of him or any other particular rider. Do you think a team as powerful as a Honda would allow that to happen? Especially when the relationship between them and Rossi have been more or less sour since 2004.

And the less I say about Stoner the better.....

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Dani Pedrosa blasts Mrquez: "Not everything goes" - MARCA.com (English version)

LOL, since when did Dani boy and Lorenzo become chuddi buddies?

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Random thought : I think MM should do Isle of man TT

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As mentioned, maybe it would break at a simple crash or even if two bikes come too close would result in their breaking. They cud use the feed from their Cam, but at this speed, not sure how fast the rider would react (like in case of pedrosa and Marc, it was just within a frac of a second, dunno if Pedrosa cud have avoided it )..

One the other note. F1 uses RVM from years, I bet they never asked for indicators or a horn, but they do use the mirror aint it.

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About Pedrosa crash, its more like a Machine failure aint it, due to contact. Jerez was the hardest move. Comparing the intensity, I suppose it wouldnt be penalised. (Intensity of contact, not intensity of crash)

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good one..whil there is not much use of a horn/flasher/side stand etc, there is a practicle use of rear view mirror and that is to find out how far behind is the other rider riding behind you or.. to know who is trying to catch up or .. to know who is catching up and how fast.... so if you know these things ... you can respond properly.i am pretty sure the reason is not aerodynamics or stability coz it can be aerodynamically designed and may be kept small or close to body.regarding a crash, and reasoning that broken glass can injure somebody or puncture other bikes, ....the RVM can be designed in such a way that prevents its breaking somewhat like a brake protector or may be the materials can be altered.. may be polished metal can be used in place of mirror....something ...just an idea.not much of a weight issue also...so what is the actual reason..??as far as i can imagine, it will only help riders, so riders like lorenzo does not have to look back ..to judge how far is marquez.it was not suggested for pedrosa to avoid the incident.just my thoughts.

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good one..whil there is not much use of a horn/flasher/side stand etc, there is a practicle use of rear view mirror and that is to find out how far behind is the other rider riding behind you or.. to know who is trying to catch up or .. to know who is catching up and how fast.... so if you know these things ... you can respond properly.i am pretty sure the reason is not aerodynamics or stability coz it can be aerodynamically designed and may be kept small or close to body.regarding a crash, and reasoning that broken glass can injure somebody or puncture other bikes, ....the RVM can be designed in such a way that prevents its breaking somewhat like a brake protector or may be the materials can be altered.. may be polished metal can be used in place of mirror....something ...just an idea.not much of a weight issue also...so what is the actual reason..??as far as i can imagine, it will only help riders, so riders like lorenzo does not have to look back ..to judge how far is marquez.it was not suggested for pedrosa to avoid the incident.just my thoughts.

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With my logic, it's not practical to put rear view mirrors in motogp bikes. The riders move around the bike a lot and change their positions so much for the RVMs to be useful. When we ride on streets, we usually maintain our riding posture for a prolonged time so we can set the RVMs as per our head position. But in professional racing, riders are always completely tucked behind the fairing on a straight, this is a riding position where you can never make use of the RVMs; also, they move to the either sides a lot as well. It's simply not practical hence. This is the best reason I can think of.

Secondly, every possible ounce saved is crucial in a motogp motorcycle as we can argue how even 1 or 2 kgs could make a difference. Also, we must understand that putting rear view mirrors would make the aerodynamic process even more complicated. It is obviously easier to design or improve aerodynamics without such accessories.

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RVMs can be 'used' only if, they are fitted to the riders' helmet. There you go.... a possible solution.

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This bugger is very wily -

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An old one but, can be exciting to watch any day.

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To add to that, F1 cars need mirrors, as without it, it is impossible to judge who is behind and how far (when you want to make a move), as even if you turn around to have a glance, all you would see is you car components. That should be explanatory enough as to why F1 cars need mirrors.

Regarding bike racing, as you rightfully said every gram saved is worth it. And on bikes it is fairly easy to judge how far the rider behind you is. Plus to make rear view mirror as Prince said along with aerodynamics would add to costs.

And please don't say JL lost the race since he turned behind to have a glance.

I would also say remove traction control, launch control and let it be pure man & machine, let wrist be the only traction control, but that wud be a different topic.