No man.. ABS provides the least stopping distance. Even if you manage to stop your wheel rotating instantly, and drag/push it along (ie, a controlled skid) you are surely gonna end up stopping farther than an ABS bike.


Burn outs should be possible on a non-combinational ABS bike I believe.

You can do Wheelies, Stoppies and Burnouts on a C-ABS bike.
There is nothing that you CANT do on a C-ABS bike that you can on a non C-ABS bike.
In fact while doing a Stoppie you WANT C-ABS as it will prevent your front wheel from locking should you mismanage the front braking under a stoppie.

^^^ oopz my bad .thank you for the correction. BTW i belive i read that from 2009 cbr600 c abs review in motorcycle.com. But u are using it , i take ur word for that.

can c-abs be turned off ??

Why are we even responding?

the c-abs can be turned of by two things....
1. you push start the bike
2. you surgically remove the sensor wires of the c-abs...

Hello Bhaiyo.

The instant issue here is the additional capital and maintenance cost of C-ABS sub-system. Simply, speaking, I cannot afford it. I am a poor man. Also, would like to buy an old fashioned less complicated and complex system. Peace to all. Please go and buy ABS.

But for your Info only, get some facts as given below:

The oldest of studies to give you an idea of how the two types fare (the exact so-called less distance claimed by ABS bikes). Decide yourself.

Internet BMW Riders - No Fault Braking, A Real-World Comparison of ABS Systems

More recent one. The best dry braking in many cases is achieved by non-ABS version.



The famed one shown by pro-people as a statistical evidence.



And here I am talking about proofs used by pro people almost at all the international biking forums.

What to say.

Honda CB1000R Owners Club & Forum - HondaCB1000R.com - View topic - ABS or not?

Some more experiences/feeling of real users of bikes.

Pros & Cons of ABS vs NON ABS - ST-Owners.com Forums

Now, let us get some personal.

Did I ever say like that. I would not purchase a C-ABS with extra cost for a notional security and would remain happy with lesser system with notional disadvantage. This is what I said. What is so ridiculous in it.

(i) How choosing one of the options offered by a company makes a person technophobia or otherwise.
(ii) Isn't a person desirous of using a 200-300cc LC mini-sprots bike be rather termed as familiar with technology. Or last but not the least,
(iii) Shouldn't a person be seen as reasonable progressive if he had chosen a disc brake set up over a drum brake set up for stopping chores many years ago, when your pappas and uncles were still using scooters and bikes with drum brakes.

Choose any comments according to your wishes.

Oh Bhaiya, vaapis Hindoostan Aa Jayo. Had typed a good para. But later decided to delete it because I don't know how to respond to this. Perhaps some futuristic links on internet showing possibility of virtual sex in future or pregnancy through a virtual experience and its relevance to current world affairs would be more enlightening.

As if you were standing on my head overlooking my acitivities whole day. .

On the contrary, you people responded to my post within 15-20 minutes, my post which had 13 links with dozens of pages and a lots of technology terminology to grasp, shows your seriousness, intentions and temperament on such technical issues. BTW, no links from your side to counter my links of experiences of bikers all over the world. Perhaps, busy in launches of phones.

Good for him. Wish him all the best from my side. I never visit 'Superbikes & Imports' Section, so don't know. BTW, Bechari Ninja ka kaya hoga.

And you are a son of a genius Scientist.

Crashed R15. Selling Ninja because of lack of C-ABS. Marvellous riding skills I suppose. Didn't you know of your riding skills earlier. You should always have waited for a bike with C-ABS.

Ya, Ya, it will exactly do for you what it did for a famed rider whose Busa was slammed into a bus head-on. RIP the soul.

Now, over to serious business.

I would not let this thread turn into a thread on pros and cons of ABS, either due to its capital cost, technicalities or maintenance cost as generally has happened on many international bike forums. It is my decision for my requirement. Others are free soul to do whatever they want.

Also, all this data and empirical evidence relate to heavier, more powerful and faster bikes. Nowhere in the world a 250-300 cc bike is sold or required with an ABS. So the data would not be applicable or effective in the case of a lighter, less powerful bike and would be a subject of serious discussion once ABS has been tested and used on lighter bikes by public for a couple of years. Till then, nothing sure can be said.

And yes, I have locked my rear tyre on numerous occasions without any locking of the front tyre. If others don't have that kind of skill, it is their problem. And I never said others to ride bigger, powerful bikes and that too recklessly. Enjoy.

Surgically removing the sensor of C-ABS is not turning it off. Thats rendering the sensor useless.
Push starting your bike isnt a way to bypass C-ABS either althought many think this works. I too initially thought push starting works...it doesnt.

If you are in the need to push start your bike then your battery is dead for sure and hence when the bike has push started it will not have C-ABS working as the battery is still dead. Once the battery is charged again C-ABS will kick back in action at the NEXT start of the bike, doesnt matter if u start it through a push start again this time or resort to normal button start.

How to turn C-ABS off :
There is a simple fuse which you can unplugto disable C-ABS. Its pretty easy to do this. That does the job. I have never unplugged it yet. dont think i ever will.

Edit: Technician, I think after 2 long days..you still dont have the slightest idea of how C-ABS works. You are spending ALL your energy in simply quoting other websites where people (just like yourself) were apprehensive about the technology when it was launched. You are investing too much into finding people who think alike and hate C-ABS..remember on the world wide web you will always find the sort of ppl you are looking to find. The challenge is to actually KNOW what sort of ppl/knowledge are/is right.
The fact of the matter is that the whole world knows how important ABS is..the 2010 BMW got launched with one, the 08 fireblade always had one, the 2011 kawasako ZX10R has one too.

You talk of your skill for you have never locked your front and are convinced that you never will. Thats Noob Talk 101
Its a good thing they dont measure your frontal lobe before selling you a bike. Else you wouldnt even qualify for a 250

IIHS news release



All some very interesting research, data and conclusions. They carry relevance as they come from one industry that has to shell out money in case you crash your bikes - its the insurance sector. Check out the reports that exhaustively involve the Transportation Research Deptts of US, Canada and UK. That these authorities collectively understand motorcycling and its vagaries better than most of us out here is a foregone conclusion.

Combined Braking Systems place the rider at a disadvantage in very few situations. For eg. downhill on a slush covered road. You'd just want to use the rear brake and it won't let you. Or in dirt with tarmac tyres when you wouldn't want to use the front brake at all but can't avoid using it. But then again, you won't lock the front wheel because of the ABS anyway.

ABS has been around in aviation since early 1950's. Dunlop had developed a hydraulic-mechanical system then called 'Maxaret system', a mnemonic for 'maximum retardation'. This was purely a mechanical system based on rotational inertia of a spinning flywheel connected to the aircraft tyre. In case the tyre stopped rotating, a 60 deg lag between the tyre and the flywheel uncovered ports in the braking cylinder that would release brake-fluid pressure till the wheel caught up with the flywheel. Astonishingly, this system could cycle between 8-10 times a second. ABS has been safeguarding your flights since the past half century. It is time the technology starts percolating downwards.

"Honda CBR250R" US prices Announced

While speculations are rife that Honda is planning to price its upcoming CBR250R in India at competitive price @ 1.5 Lac/1.8 Lac

"Honda CBR250R" US prices have been announced:

Standard Version = $3,999 [Rs 1,80,162]
ABS Version = $4,499 [Rs 2,02,683]

Isn't that pricing of the Non ABS version exactly same as the US Ninja 250R Carb? What can I say apart from the fact that if they can manage to sell 'Made In India' CBR250R s in The US for a price equivalent to Rs.1.8 lacs, certainly the India pricing has to be lower. The first ray of hope I see in a long time. Anyways.. Honda being Honda... they will try real hard to prove me wrong on this.

But i thought hondas c abs allows to use the rear brake alone (brings the front brake to action only when rear is about to get locked). This allows the rider to use rear brake much like a non linked abs system.. (frm cbr600rr abs review motorcycle.com)

Good of you to have pointed it out. I was actually thinking more in terms of the generic combined braking system rather than specifically about Honda's C-ABS. The Honda system allows conventional braking inputs till moderate braking demands and kicks in only when the demanded braking gets closer to hard braking. So the two scenarios I pointed out would not be relevant in case of the Honda C-ABS.

Check out Kevin Ash's excellent article on this here

^^^Thanks for the link old fox.
In that review he said its almost impossible to lift the rear wheel in air( c abs system restricts that or so) ten-hut a lil help here.(about the stoppie thingy)

Can someone tell me which Ninjette are these guys talking about? Can someone tel me the accurate Stock bhp figure for the USA Ninja 250R with dual carb setup.

as I believe the Indian Fuel Injected Ninja 250R makes around 32.5 bhp @11000 rpm as mentioned here or I have got it wrong?