The 2010 Bike Launch Speculation Thread

[MACH50]

Few points here:
1) The New YBR 110 from Yamaha doesn't seem to have ditto same engine as the G5 / Alba. They have clearly mentioned making it more drive-able and stuff. The Japanese don't yell out every change they make to the engine and announce it as a new engine.
2) Even the SZ would not be the same engine as the Gladi. It would have some tweaks for the better.

Gladiator is having the same engine and YTPS from the age old YBX125 that did duty on Enticer,YD125,Fazer125.........if u remember them.No change in Bore,nor in Stroke.YBX's engine was very strong in its days.Recently only the air flow has been tweaked to keep in match wid the newer Emission norms.And in SZ it wont change if it has 11hp of power.But if they plonk that R125 engine in the SZ........then yes its a right 125 for this times,bcoz market has moved up.
YBR110 boasts same,engine construction just like the G5 and Alba.I have ridden the Crux............and its completely strong and driveable,which means Yamaha is beating the same harp again.Which however means whatever the company says,the only 100cc that was a hit from Yamaha was RX100,YBR has upped the cc by four cc only from the 106cc of G5,Alba and Crux.Thing remains the same.

I have absolutely no complaints for the FZ16...........its a cool and comfortable bike with a big 153cc doing the duty........only 7cc lesser than RTR160,even though thats nothing.But my main objective in here is that why put the same mill in the new Fazer which they call tour capable.The mill does duty on already two variants of FZ-S and FZ16,could have spared the Fazer all over wid the 165cc engine with more torque and power for touring.FZ mills were meant for city riding wid good torque curves.The tourer Fazer neeeds some punk more to be in the league of ZMA or for that matter even RE bikes.

Our speculations are more than what even OEM thinks.We always expected Yamaha to bring something very very powerful when the market was flooding with 100cc and 125cc from their stables,and Yamaha was not successful as a company in India then.Its only when they realized what we fans really wanted,that their fortune turned here.The R15 came along wid the FZ16 and Yamaha swayed again,time now suggests to raise the bar further............This comes from some one who had ridden RX100,RXG,RX135,RXZ,YBX,Crux and also the RD350,I can tell what a Yamaha means and needs...........and what I now understand is that FAZER is a dynamic bike wasted.

[sheelpriye]

One thing which i wish to point out is no Japs would simply increase their bore/stroke and keep re badging motorcycles as 150/160/180/200/220/(yet to come)240/250

from what i know Yamaha/Honda would bring an all new platform for a new motorcycle

[chicane1879]

One thing which i wish to point out is no Japs would simply increase their bore/stroke and keep re badging motorcycles as 150/160/180/200/220/(yet to come)240/250

from what i know Yamaha/Honda would bring an all new platform for a new motorcycle

Yup, they have more cost effective way of using a single engine in different models which would save them from increase in R&D Costs!!

Shame on them for not utilizing the whole array of engines/designs/chassis setups they have built/developed/mastered in all those years.

[satyenpoojary]

Yup, they have more cost effective way of using a single engine in different models which would save them from increase in R&D Costs!!

Shame on them for not utilizing the whole array of engines/designs/chassis setups they have built/developed/mastered in all those years.

Isnt that the case with MOST players, even the BMWs and the MV's of the world?
Why would someone come up with a new engine altogether rather than tweaking the same one! It makes a lot more sense, replicable parts and what not!

[rennycornelius]

Isnt that the case with MOST players, even the BMWs and the MV's of the world?
Why would someone come up with a new engine altogether rather than tweaking the same one! It makes a lot more sense, replicable parts and what not!

But why "Boring" or stroking out 10 or 20 cc's at a time????
Why not a 250 after a 150???

[chicane1879]

Why would someone come up with a new engine altogether rather than tweaking the same one! It makes a lot more sense, replicable parts and what not!

See that's my point. The part in bold is not actually happening in our country and that sadly is prevalent from economy segment bikes to premium ones.

Nobody demands an altogether new engine.What i mean is upgrades should not be limited to lipstick jobs,only.

[rennycornelius]

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Nobody demands an altogether new engine.What i mean is upgrades should not be limited to lipstick jobs,only.

I'll demand it.

I'll get bored with the same engine that starts from 150CC and goes on to 1000CC, (BAJAJ Has five 135,150,180,200,220 and now the 135 is new) each one being seperated by 20 or 30CC's.

My point is, have the same engine, but seperate each and every category with "respectable" CC's and BHP's.

[satyenpoojary]

But why "Boring" or stroking out 10 or 20 cc's at a time????
Why not a 250 after a 150???

Technically the P220 engine is said to be the max that they could have stressed it for being stree 'reliable'
If I am not wrong p150-p220 has the same platform ( and probably the earlier discovers too) and the v1-v4 has had a lot of smaller invisible tweaks.

See that's my point. The part in bold is not actually happening in our country and that sadly is prevalent from economy segment bikes to premium ones.

Nobody demands an altogether new engine.What i mean is upgrades should not be limited to lipstick jobs,only.

^refer my point above it does happen, why didnt the CBZ x, and the new x with Tumble flow appealed to you so much.... simple... the lipsticks visble, the tumble flow isnt!

I'll demand it.

I'll get bored with the same engine that starts from 150CC and goes on to 1000CC, (BAJAJ Has five 135,150,180,200,220 and now the 135 is new) each one being seperated by 20 or 30CC's.

My point is, have the same engine, but seperate each and every category with "respectable" CC's and BHP's.

Two categories already exists... and you have a P150 in the same platform and a P220 as well, then why are you not happy if I re present you your line?

Would 'we' be happy if we had ONLY a P150 and a P220?

Ofcourse this small bumps are silly, but this is our stage of experience in autmobile engineering AND more importantly the market maturity.

Food for thought, a player like Bajaj couldnt upgrade the 100CC customer to 125CC segment whic contributes to a HUGE sect of people? Would you blame Bajaj for that?

Coming soon, a rebored Bajaj 250... any takers?

Coming soon, a brand new Bajaj 220... any takers?

Coming not so soon, a new 400... any takers now?

[chicane1879]

^refer my point above it does happen, why didnt the CBZ x, and the new x with Tumble flow appealed to you so much.... simple... the lipsticks visble, the tumble flow isnt!



Ofcourse this small bumps are silly, but this is our stage of experience in autmobile engineering AND more importantly the market maturity.

Agreed. And that sadly is taken care by two Indian manufacturers.

AFAIK the CBZ-X's engine has been untouched from the day it was launched. And about the inlcusion of Tumble flow, the bike already had it before(carried over by Unicorn). The inclusion of it (in ADs/marketing) later was just a part of the Product Lifecycle process, nothing else. My point is what did the customer get apart from new stickers, coloured wheels and a higher price tag. I know a typical HH customer demands it but still did he really gain something apart from owning a HH=perceived higher resale value product?

[satyenpoojary]

AFAIK the CBZ-X's engine has been untouched from the day it was launched. And about the inlcusion of Tumble flow, the bike already had it before(carried over by Unicorn). The inclusion of it (in ADs/marketing) later was just a part of the Product Lifecycle process, nothing else. My point is what did the customer get apart from new stickers, coloured wheels and a higher price tag. I know a typical HH customer demands it but still did he really gain something apart from owning a HH=perceived higher resale value product?

I knew that, and actually wanted you to say that
There, another reason to appreciate visible 10-20 CC bumps

From where I read it, it appears as the customers demands were met and HH made a lot of money. So then why would anyone else invest in making a 'new' engine... damn its easy to grab low hanging fruits

Edit: If your answer to the why was for you and me and that handfull of enthusiasts who want the world for a too good to be true price, then come up with a better answer

[Technician]

May I interrupt your learned people here.

Just cheeell. Where are the moderators?

Long time ago, there was a fakir, totally naked, sitting and enjoying the sunshine with his dog. Alexander, the Great, came there with his convoy and told the fakir to see his splendour (not the bike) and admire his greatness.

Fakir amused and uttered while looking at his pet dog: Here comes another Sikander and you called yourself also ‘Sikander’. Fakir then asked the Alexander to leave the intricacies and illusions of life and come, sit with them and enjoy the sunshine in all its natural state of body. Then fakir narrated the true meaning and purpose of life to Alexander. After this incident, the Alexander the Great is said to had returned to his land.

I also ask you to come, sit and enjoy your current bike to the hilt and keep and maintain it forever until you get an alternative with at least, 200 cc liquid cooled or 250 cc air cooled engine or more, which can do 140 kmph true for long stretches. Stop changing your bike foolishly every now and then. If you have 150 cc + bike, don’t change it whatever the shortcomings are. By changing your bike frequently, you are only strengthening these manufacturers who are increasing the power in very small installments or are providing them with different paint/stickers job. Don’t get enamored by these Sikanders of Automobile industries. Fail them by sticking to your current bike. This is the only way of punishing these manufacturers. And if you must, buy second hand so that not to benefit these manufacturers directly. If you have 150 and you go in step to 160, then 180, then 200 and then 223 and then 240 and so on, you would still feel the urge to get one day a full 250 or 300 cc bike while wasting your time and money on these middle steps. It is not worth to increase speed by 10-15-20 kmph.

Just cheeeell and don’t buy in between. And I am not the Fakir mentioned aboe.

[ken cool]

Just cheeell. Where are the moderators?

They are right here!

[satyenpoojary]

May I interrupt your learned people here.

Just cheeell. Where are the moderators?

Long time ago, there was a fakir, totally naked, sitting and enjoying the sunshine with his dog. Alexander, the Great, came there with his convoy and told the fakir to see his splendour (not the bike) and admire his greatness.

Fakir amused and uttered while looking at his pet dog: Here comes another Sikander and you called yourself also ‘Sikander’. Fakir then asked the Alexander to leave the intricacies and illusions of life and come, sit with them and enjoy the sunshine in all its natural state of body. Then fakir narrated the true meaning and purpose of life to Alexander. After this incident, the Alexander the Great is said to had returned to his land.

I also ask you to come, sit and enjoy your current bike to the hilt and keep and maintain it forever until you get an alternative with at least, 200 cc liquid cooled or 250 cc air cooled engine or more, which can do 140 kmph true for long stretches. Stop changing your bike foolishly every now and then. If you have 150 cc + bike, don’t change it whatever the shortcomings are. By changing your bike frequently, you are only strengthening these manufacturers who are increasing the power in very small installments or are providing them with different paint/stickers job. Don’t get enamored by these Sikanders of Automobile industries. Fail them by sticking to your current bike. This is the only way of punishing these manufacturers. And if you must, buy second hand so that not to benefit these manufacturers directly. If you have 150 and you go in step to 160, then 180, then 200 and then 223 and then 240 and so on, you would still feel the urge to get one day a full 250 or 300 cc bike while wasting your time and money on these middle steps. It is not worth to increase speed by 10-15-20 kmph.

Just cheeeell and don’t buy in between. And I am not the Fakir mentioned aboe.

Bingo, which is why sticking on to the RTR and then fell for the R15 and now souping the RTR waiting for something better than the 250R


Ken: Thats an OT :P next one and I will report your post to moderators

[Technician]

Correct. That is the only way out. I have not used names of any particular bike.

[chauhan_saurabh]

Bingo, which is why sticking on to the RTR and then fell for the R15 and now souping the RTR waiting for something better than the 250R

Ohh that brigs us to ask it again!! what happened to that so called RTR 2xx white beauty you framed here?? It was supposed to be in our menu card by now