Convert AC/DC bike to ALL DC.

[arghyaheart]

Fellas, my question is that, is the APE RR capable of Smart Charging? or does it overcharge the battery?

[princesirohi]

Fellas, my question is that, is the APE RR capable of Smart Charging? or does it overcharge the battery?

even i was thinking about the same question before i actually used it, and if i am not wrong, no one have reported battery damage due to overcharging.

so its pretty safe to use.

one more question, has anyone tried the new RR of pulsar that comes with the DC pulsars UG4 .... recently when my APE RR failed, i went to my mechanic because on phone he suspected battery failure because in last servicing, the battery had no water in it. then he checked the battery with some instrument called "battery checker" and told me " boss battery is alright, your RR has konked off" and i said "thank you for info" and "i will take care of RR myself" then i replaced the APE RR and now everything is fine.

the point is my mechanic is fully aware about my rewinding and APE RR and he himself is quite knowledgeable, so when my RR failed he said, "i have a spare RR of new DC pulsar, you can try it for free"

have any of you tried the new RR of Pulsar UG4, it has 4 wires only and is for complete DC setup, i want to know its charging current, may be since the headlight is still 35 watt only, so its charging may still be less than APE RR, but has anybody checked its output.

i will certainly check its output in next servicing.

[drvmtm]

sorry for not being regular these days...............my apologies....

@prince-you have some short circuit some where in the bike,check one by one or simply change the whole wiring kit of the bike with oem minda,comes cheap,one of the reason to celebrate to own a pulsar.

yes the ape rr heats up ,infact it heats up very much that you cant even put your finger on it if the load is more then 8 amps,but if its grounded properly,it does not creATE A problem,never.

old and new is relative,the 4 wire and 6 wire are two different models from piaggio,both work equally,tested upto 20 amps in old 4 wire model,worked fine.

what is the load you are using?

yes ape rr comes up with smart charging or tricle charging.its infact better in terms of over charge protection then p 220/r 15 etc.gives ampos only when the load is there if no load then only out put is 1 amp or even less then that,very very true.

p 180 ug 4/150 ug4 dc rr is charging handicapped,the out put is roughly 40 watts at max.

FOR GS 150 ----
GS 150 has two type of coils,older one came up with eight poles which was posted,the newer one comes up with 12 poles.the best output can be achived by rewinding and use of aftermarket rr like from piaggio.our kolkatta xbhpian MACH 50 rewinded his steed and using hid,supercharger.you can find the info in ownership area of gsr 150.

hope this helps.

[arghyaheart]

Well Doc, Thanks a lot for that GS 150R info! I'll look for it in the thread specified by you!

[sajjt]

Drji, rightly said, when I tried with a UG4 RR, it gave a max of 4A but when I switched to RR it was pumping 8A from the same coil. THats the capability of APE RR.

Prince, next time when u change the battery, go for a SMF one, so that u dont need to keep an eye on it every now and then, water level vary depending on the usage and charging pattern.

Like Drji said, there should be a wiring problem to repeat the issues, check all the extra connections and then the OE too. You are the only person who's having repeated issues after DC conversion hence the assumption.

[abhichotu.abhi]

Drji, rightly said, when I tried with a UG4 RR, it gave a max of 4A but when I switched to RR it was pumping 8A from the same coil. THats the capability of APE RR.

So, does it mean that there is no need for rewinding the coil incase of 180 UG4 and just changing the RR to APE's one will handle the draining matter with higher load?

[sajjt]

So, does it mean that there is no need for rewinding the coil incase of 180 UG4 and just changing the RR to APE's one will handle the draining matter with higher load?

U've mistook my words, I was referring to my re-winded coil, when I tried it with the UG4 RR it was giving only 3.5-4A , but once I swapped it with the APE RR, it started pumping 8A. U need to rewind and swap the RR to take care of the battery drain issues when dealing with higher loads.

[princesirohi]

thanks drvmtm. i am now at peace with the fact that my APE RR heats up, actually it heated up quite a lot when it charged my completely discharged battery, and now when the charging current requirement is less it does not get heated up so much.

regarding short ckt. somewhere in wiring -- may be possible but i tried checking all wires and connections with continuity tester, everything was ok. still even i think there might be problem somewhere. i will see what i can do. right now i am not going for entire wiring change. actually the point where i have grounded the rr unit gets rusted quite frequently because of lonavala rains, that might be the problem.

but old ape rr lasted sufficiently longer than new one with 6 wires, which lasted only 2 months.

[Abhijeet Bhattacharjee]

Converted my 2007 discover 135 dtsi to full dc.
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[kamal0582]

thanks a lot guys.....

i had this very old itch to fit hid on my unicorn. Did that a long time back however there were these battery drainage issues. one point of time everything refused to work. so in frustration did away with the stupid hid.
then i saw this thread and again that old itch started. Right now in bangalore and lots of guys recommending RUBY electronics.so went to him the guys name is kennedy vasa. and he is damn good in his work. (compared to jugaado guys back in delhi.) shown him what i want. To my surprise he knew it already and said not to worry can be done easily. Did the rewinding and told its to the maximum as he has used 19 gauge. Then asked for the ape RR the four wire model. which i had to buy after visiting 3 piaggio service centers. the funny part was even the salesman in piaggio knew for wat purpose i am buying it. (he asked me are you upgrading your bike's headlight)
Gave him the rr and the HID which he fitted very neatly and securily (last time the ballast was in the dome itself due to which the dome even cracked,this time it is under the fuel tank, he even tied every loose wire neatly,) this i cannot expect from guys back at home leaving very few which are expensive also.
now the bike is full dc with 1 HID, two hella red grill horns, 1 mobile charger and 1 gps charger. and no battery drainage.
Getting 12.60...70 at around 2000 rpm. and 14 around 3500 rpm.
very happy thanks to you guys and shreeni for posting this info.
However would require your expert reviews about the HID as right now i m using the chinese one. not sure about the quality the tube is H4-3. (hi is hid and low is halogen. kennedy also told me to use less of the low beam as it doesnt have the relay for it. however the hi beam i.e the hid has a relay which will not put load on the wiring. (dont know it thought).
the problem is that the HID without the projector is COP MAGNET here in bangalore.And i dont want the oncoming traffic showing fingers to me.basically dont want to blind the oncoming vehicles. Can anybody tell me how can i go about fitting the projector and which HID would be compatible
thanks a lot again guys
will post the pics soon. thanks to all u guys
ride safe..

[Shreeni0403]

Contact Navnish, he is from Bangalore and can help you in getting a qualitied Bi-Xenon projector and HID.

[kamal0582]

hi

Contact Navnish, he is from Bangalore and can help you in getting a qualitied Bi-Xenon projector and HID.

thanks shreeni for fast reply.

[UTKARSH STUNTY SHARMA]

Well many have accomplished this successfully on their bikes and the entire source of information is available in xbhp itself but it is scattered through out in many threads so putting up all together in one place.

Let me start this with bikes like Unicorn/CBZ/Xtreme and any other which has single phase coil. I will leave the explanation part of PulsarSajan and Abhi who are good at it and also the back bone behind accomplishing this successfully .
The job is pretty much simple on bikes mentioned above.
First of all the coil rewind done from a reputed auto electrician. In Bangalore, Ruby electricals would be a better place. Ask them just to rewind the coil without RR Unit change.
Once the rewinding is done, tell them to remove the ground from coil. Just have a look at the below image. The coil end will be connected to ground/body and green wire will be connected to body/ground. (Red Dots) De-Solder both the terminals from ground and connect it directly. i.e connect the coil wire and green wire directly removing the connection from ground (Yellow Line).





Now once the ground is removed, figure out the Green wire coming from Pulse generator, disconnect it and ground it to body.Check stock diagram and changed diagram so that u can identify easily.
Stock Wiring




Modified wiring with APE RR



Once this is done,

APE RR Unit.


Complete Wiring for Headlight including relay. (Put up by Sajan)



Approx Cost Involved.
APE RR OEM - 1100rs
APE RR Delhi Made (Not recommended) - 600rs
Coil Rewinding - 600-800rs

Regarding APE RR unit, people please do go in for an OEM RR unit of APE else you might face a serious problem somewhere in mid-road without lights !!
Use of doing all DC -

Hassle/flicker free riding at night with higher watt bulb/HID

Instead of Ape rr as im unable to get...can i use mahindra's 3 wheeler rr unit

[sun1983]

Battery issue with Hero Honda Passion Plus with HID light

Hi Friends,

I'm having Hero Honda Passion plus with Kick start (2.5Ah) battery. I've recently purchased 35W HID conversion kit & upgraded battery with 5Ah Amron 'Pro bike rider'.

Now my mechanic had removed stock 35W heloen h/l & installed this new HID kit. connect ballast to direct battery. hence stock wire (yellow) from my RR unit is free.

HID is working like charm till 3-4 days, once the battery drainned then problem start. I've checked with multimeter on battery teminal & ohh its showing 7.42V which means HID is taking loads of juice from battery & stock RR is not capable to charge it more.

Battery terminals are showing increment of 2.5- 3 volts on MM while bike is revving at 3-4K RPM. its quite disappointing ...

After reading this forum, I've decided to deploy ' DIY custome rectifier' shown in other thread.

I've installed the same using stock AC yellow wire which was going to the h/l SW. & fixed +tive & GND wire from custom circuit to battery terminals. everything was designed & deployed as per instruction from the forum thread.

now still battery is showing no improvement even its getting dual charging feeds.

My concerns are:

(1) I think earlier I was having 12V 2.5Ah battery & now it've upgraded with 12V 5Ah battery so should i need to change rectifier?

(2) My stock rectifier is giving AC output & i've used this AC yellow wire with customer bridge rectifier to feed battery. is this the right setup?

(3) Should i've have to rewind coil & change stock rectifier with passion pro's rectifier ( passion pro is having 5Ah battery with self start)

(4) HID lamp is 35W 4300K, so i dont think any changes in coil is needed as stock h/l was 35W helogen but still experts suggestions required.

(5) Is there any specific steps to improve battery charging?


Abhijeet, Sheeni, & all friends help & guide me....

[Shreeni0403]

Instead of Ape rr as im unable to get...can i use mahindra's 3 wheeler rr unit

Any heavy duty full wave RR must do the job but we haven't tested. APE RR is tried and tested but lot of xBhpian's.

My concerns are:

(3) Should i've have to rewind coil & change stock rectifier with passion pro's rectifier ( passion pro is having 5Ah battery with self start)
Rewind the coil and put APE RR.

(4) HID lamp is 35W 4300K, so i dont think any changes in coil is needed as stock h/l was 35W helogen but still experts suggestions required.
You can't run a 35w Halogen also on DC power with stock electricals.
(5) Is there any specific steps to improve battery charging?
Yes, you just need to follow steps mentioned in this thread according to your coil. Custom bridge rectifier n all are not bullet proof. They can leave you on dark roads in middle of no where.

Abhijeet, Sheeni, & all friends help & guide me....

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