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  • Originally posted by sibun View Post
    Chain both to ASK. You will find it better. The cost of splendor front brake shoe from ASK(asbestos) is RS. 100 and the pads is Rs.145(asbestos).
    Ok so the thing is to go for Asbestos one and rear one of Splendors ASK one.

    Do not go for activa brake shoe as they are non asbestos and are of no value.Ya it was not mentioned on the box so i didnt buy it.on the ASK disc pad Asbestos was mentioned. Instead go for splendor front brake shoe for rear drum.
    Earlier i saw Splendors one with same box,price was quoted 145.let me check few other shops as well.

    All chains have tight and loose links. Clean the chain and lubricate.i will post a detail in DIY thread.
    Originally posted by SatSon View Post
    Yes, tight and loose links mean bad chain.
    And go for whole kit replacement; as FM's suggested, go for Rolon/Diamond brands.
    My Splendor's genuine Hero chain didn't last for 30k opposed to the stock one which lasted 80k. So better don't go for Hero genuine chain kit.

    Take proper care of chain once you change, coz I think your chain has encountered very early wear. It should atleast for 25-30k.
    Even i am surprised how can it be so. i hardly clean it but it doesnt mean it should end so early . better would be ii inspect and post the sprocket condition here.u guys will be having better knowledge regarding this
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    • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
      These simple Honda engines are so sturdy by nature that the loss of engine life by using one or another oil grade would not be significant over the time you may own the bike . i.e you'd hardly complain if your engine lasts 1lakhs kms instead of say 1.5 ... and by that time you may have to overhaul it for a different reason altogether or would have sold it off and riding a new bike .
      Use cheap mineral oil that feels good on your bike and change it often is what I too believe is best for us regular road-runners .
      I would be very satisfied if my bore lasts for even half that kms .Like you said i will try to stick to only honda oil this time and in summers if i feel like uncomfortable i might change it to 10W 40 but mostly i will stick to honda oil only and changing it every 1K also is not a problem for me - just checked my oil today it looks like the day i poured it in and it has completed 800Kms today - will change it tomorrow- looks like 1.5K is walk in the park for the honda genuine oil if you ride sanely .
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      • Originally posted by itssaurabh.negi View Post

        Guys i inquired about brake pads for my xtreme few days back. ASK made was reported around 280 and 360 with labor. but today i visited a famous autoparts shops with genuine parts.they didnt have ANL or KBX but they offered me ASK front/Back both @ 190 . though they dont do labor work. print rate was 150 For Rear,and 145 for front disc pad. i was like .such a huge margin.that earlier highway situated mechanic is looting such a big time. on the packet of front ASK brake,NON ASBESTOS was mentioned unlike the rear one (marked as Activa brake shoes). AFAIK Asbestos type pads are preferred,is there any other brand with asbestos type or should i go with this ASK made
        both pads for front and rear combined will cost less than Rs 300 and beware of cheats .
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        • Originally posted by itssaurabh.negi View Post
          Even i am surprised how can it be so. i hardly clean it but it doesnt mean it should end so early . better would be ii inspect and post the sprocket condition here.u guys will be having better knowledge regarding this
          Lube it every week with 90 grade oil even if you dont clean it - hardly takes a min .

          @sibun eagerly waiting for your DIY thread
          Last edited by sarbanoxley; 09-07-2012, 12:12 AM.
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          • Originally posted by itssaurabh.negi View Post
            By "CHEAP MINERAL OIL" i hope u didn't include the unknown HMC oil that they pour into our rides . I dont use any outside purchased oil longer than 2500 kms and ASC oil longer than 1500 kms.Engine is smooth but due to tappet noise (i guess it to be so) and bad chain condition my pickup seems suffered.
            No no , don't do that . I have used some unlikely oils on my bikes over the years, but never any unbranded oil or oil some ASCs pour from bulk drums . Always gone for sealed branded bottle, if nothing else was available the national trio IOCL/HP/Bharat oils are quite very good and available easily at their petrol pumps .

            Originally posted by girimajiananth View Post
            i used that 10w30 mineral oil provided by HH during initial days .
            it was absolutely rubbish , especially during long highway rides , once the engine had heated up it would choke and would not start until it had cooled down a little bit.
            At first i thought the ASC mechanics had done a shoddy work by not replacing the oil correctly , i bought a new can of oil , drained the engine myself and put the new one in it . But still it was of no use .
            After i changed to semi synthetics , the engine was smooth and trouble free
            My experience with this oil was similar particularly in summer . Maybe it's just me ... but all I can say is that I am not very fond of it . I still have some stock of it , trying to finish it off and never buy it again . Gulf/motul mineral 10w30 was mucho better .
            Originally posted by sibun View Post
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            Yes it is do-able. But why to do it as DAZZLER chain alone cost Rs. 1100 while you can get extreme/hunk chain sprocket set complete from diamond at RS.800. Also fitting an o-ring chain requires removal of rear shock, rear footrest holder which will require removal of swing arm. Removal of swing arm will entail change of bush and all which will cost a lot more...
            Why is this ? Is Dazzler's O-Ring chain and endless type chain without the lock mechanism ?
            O-ring chains with removable chain-lock is available worldwide . Lockable o-ring type chains are provided with a small tube of the required grease, the locking link, lock, and 4+extra o-rings with the new chain package . Are you sure that this is not available in this size(for cbz-x) here in India ?
            Yes , endless type chain are a pain to fit and remove .
            Personally I have never again tried to extend the life of a max-extended chain and replaced the chain-sprocket kit always ever after a bad experience of a broken chain curling up under the front sprocket and damaging the engine case etc parts, and in the middle of nowhere too . I couldn't figure out what was wrong and the bike would not move and could not be pushed home . Had I known how cheap a new chain-sprocket kit was I'd have never listened to that mech at that time and cut links .
            I am interested in an o-ring chain just to cut down on maintenance . They do say it lasts much longer, but thats not my need . O-ring chains keep happy with very little care in very extended intervals ... so . Don't care for little extra cost , to save 10mins+effort every weekends .


            Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
            I would be very satisfied if my bore lasts for even half that kms .Like you said i will try to stick to only honda oil this time and in summers if i feel like uncomfortable i might change it to 10W 40 but mostly i will stick to honda oil only and changing it every 1K also is not a problem for me - just checked my oil today it looks like the day i poured it in and it has completed 800Kms today - will change it tomorrow- looks like 1.5K is walk in the park for the honda genuine oil if you ride sanely .
            I didn't find that Honda 20w40 oil very good . It was kinda ok for around 1500kms and not cheap either . But again , If you are finding their 10w30 good for you .. alright . I am sure you'll know what your engine likes and not better than me here , and a good biker should listen to his engine only . 2000kms (or 4 months max) is a reasonable drain interval for mineral and mineral based oils . Keep and eye on oil levels as I saw that 10w30 oil sometimes needs a top-up . Best of luck with your new bore .
            Last edited by Pinaki; 09-07-2012, 02:40 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
              No no , don't do that . I have used some unlikely oils on my bikes over the years, but never any unbranded oil or oil some ASCs pour from bulk drums . Always gone for sealed branded bottle, if nothing else was available the national trio IOCL/HP/Bharat oils are quite very good and available easily at their petrol pumps .

              My experience with this oil was similar particularly in summer . Maybe it's just me ... but all I can say is that I am not very fond of it . I still have some stock of it , trying to finish it off and never buy it again . Gulf/motul mineral 10w30 was mucho better .
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              May be its the ASC that ruin the bikes !

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              • Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
                I would be very satisfied if my bore lasts for even half that kms .Like you said i will try to stick to only honda oil this time and in summers if i feel like uncomfortable i might change it to 10W 40 but mostly i will stick to honda oil only and changing it every 1K also is not a problem for me - just checked my oil today it looks like the day i poured it in and it has completed 800Kms today - will change it tomorrow- looks like 1.5K is walk in the park for the honda genuine oil if you ride sanely .
                I strongly believe, the Honda engines these days do not last long like those of old Splendors or CBZ's. Even most of the unicorn engines do not last more than 50k. May be we can say it depends on the type of usage.
                But old Splendor's / CD 100s were used by people who even don't know when oil needs to be changed, but they last for nearly 1 lakh kms . And they being lower cc'd bikes, their pistons will revolve more times than that of a 150's revolve for the same kms. But still they run more before they need engine overhaul.
                Here our Xtremes/Hunks are ridden by people among us who are very keen on understanding each of the minor changes in bike and get it serviced, but out engines face early death

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                • Went to a local mech hoping to cut a few links from the chain. But even he is not recomendng it.
                  Had a little bit more adjustment left so the chain will do for a few weeks more.
                  He said its better to change the chain sprocket kit. And 15K is reasonable mileage for a chain to wear out.
                  As the sprocket still looks fine, I am thinking of changing the chain alone.

                  Gotta hunt down DIAMOND or ROLON.
                  And Uni 15T sprocket too if available.
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                  • Originally posted by sooraj_vs View Post
                    Went to a local mech hoping to cut a few links from the chain. But even he is not recomendng it.
                    Had a little bit more adjustment left so the chain will do for a few weeks more.
                    He said its better to change the chain sprocket kit. And 15K is reasonable mileage for a chain to wear out.
                    As the sprocket still looks fine, I am thinking of changing the chain alone.

                    Gotta hunt down DIAMOND or ROLON.
                    And Uni 15T sprocket too if available.

                    Mine is at 12.7K and it makes noise at corners.it requires tightening twice/thrice in a month. 12-13K for a new OEM chain is too short.i m not feeling good while riding my bike as both of its brakes are not effective and this chain issue making its worse .
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                    • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                      I didn't find that Honda 20w40 oil very good . It was kinda ok for around 1500kms and not cheap either . But again , If you are finding their 10w30 good for you .. alright . I am sure you'll know what your engine likes and not better than me here , and a good biker should listen to his engine only . 2000kms (or 4 months max) is a reasonable drain interval for mineral and mineral based oils . Keep and eye on oil levels as I saw that 10w30 oil sometimes needs a top-up . Best of luck with your new bore .
                      Yeah gulf oil makes the engine feel so good and this is news to me that honda oil dropping in level after 1K kms - i really dont like to see this - the head mech told me after 2K the oil level should drop not more than 50ml .

                      Originally posted by girimajiananth View Post
                      May be its the ASC that ruin the bikes !
                      Yeah if you let them .

                      Originally posted by SatSon View Post
                      I strongly believe, the Honda engines these days do not last long like those of old Splendors or CBZ's. Even most of the unicorn engines do not last more than 50k. May be we can say it depends on the type of usage.But old Splendor's / CD 100s were used by people who even don't know when oil needs to be changed, but they last for nearly 1 lakh kms . And they being lower cc'd bikes, their pistons will revolve more times than that of a 150's revolve for the same kms. But still they run more before they need engine overhaul.
                      Here our Xtremes/Hunks are ridden by people among us who are very keen on understanding each of the minor changes in bike and get it serviced, but out engines face early death
                      I believe you Xtreme completed 1 Lac kms no ?

                      some batch of unis did have engine problems they say - also the old Xtremes are doing great from my observation - i am pretty convinced that they are made much better - i have seen a lot of old Xtremes completing 60K+ kms on stock bore .I think the splendors of today are as much reliable as the old ones - today i saw a completely neglected splendor that came to the SC as it started smoking heavily and it had completed 69,000 kms and needs mostly a new bore the mech told me but the owner was not ready to spend any money - later he told me that guy will be back sooner than later and pay a even more huge bill for his stupidity .

                      Originally posted by sooraj_vs View Post
                      Went to a local mech hoping to cut a few links from the chain. But even he is not recomendng it.
                      Had a little bit more adjustment left so the chain will do for a few weeks more.He said its better to change the chain sprocket kit. And 15K is reasonable mileage for a chain to wear out.As the sprocket still looks fine, I am thinking of changing the chain alone.
                      I changed my chain set at 40K kms - think 30K is a good service life for a sprocket .

                      Originally posted by sooraj_vs View Post
                      Gotta hunt down DIAMOND or ROLON.
                      And Uni 15T sprocket too if available.
                      you dont have to hunt it down just ask their sales guy he will give you the distributor address - thats how i got the diamond kit from chennai for Rs 700 - for the site link browse a few pages back sibun gave me that link in some post .

                      Originally posted by itssaurabh.negi View Post
                      Mine is at 12.7K and it makes noise at corners.it requires tightening twice/thrice in a month. 12-13K for a new OEM chain is too short.i m not feeling good while riding my bike as both of its brakes are not effective and this chain issue making its worse .
                      you can tighten it yourself - will take just a couple of mins - first time i tried tightening the chain i forgot to tighten the big bolt on the rod that goes through the rear wheel and rode it like that for 3 kms .

                      get the ASK pad installed and your braking will improve - also get the brake fluid changed to DOT 4 if you can find it .
                      Last edited by sarbanoxley; 09-07-2012, 04:30 PM.
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                      • Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
                        get the ASK pad installed and your braking will improve - also get the brake fluid changed to DOT 4 if you can find it .

                        cant find Asbestos ASK frond pads,non asbestos available for 80 rs.
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                        • UPDATE :
                          Went to a small spares shop as suggested by a friend of mine, and there I was really surprised. Everything we would like to find in a spares shop - Valvoline, veedol, even mobil1, ASK pads, rolon chain lube, genuine Roots horns, and what not.
                          Asked for Hunk chain kit - wasnt there.
                          Uni chain sprocket kit from ROLON was available @ Rs. 800.

                          Chain alone wasnt there. Is it really not available..?

                          @ sarbanoxley
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                          • m having dificulty in finding Asbestos ASK disc pad or drum. only non-asbestos are available. with a varying pricerange of 80-120. Saw an ASK disc pad for cba xtreme mentioned on the box. nissin is available but huge 330 rs . do they worth it ?? does rear drum braks (ASK Splendor ) needs to be asbestos type ?? what difference if i get non-asbestos one.??
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                            • Asbestos dust is carcinogenic if inhaled . Non-asbestos pads are environment and health friendly replacement for the traditional Asbestos type . They use a compound of carbon and metal powder instead (so appear darker in colour too) . Less bite , more tendency to glaze or harden and wears out the brake-liner(drum) or disc quicker . Even disregarding the cost .
                              But worldwide laws are being made to outlaw Asbestos use , so sooner or later Indian/Chinese manufacturers shall have to conform to it and the non-Asbestos type is what will remain in market . This is why the older type still there in the market does not mention Asbestos-type etc specifically on the pack , while non-asbestos type specifically says so on the pack itself . Maybe this is confusing you ?

                              Originally posted by sarbanoxley View Post
                              Yeah gulf oil makes the engine feel so good and this is news to me that honda oil dropping in level after 1K kms - i really dont like to see this - the head mech told me after 2K the oil level should drop not more than 50ml ...
                              Yeah , the drop in level may be around that much only but sometimes a little quicker after spirited runs or a continuous ride , so just check it now and then . No problem .
                              Last edited by Pinaki; 09-08-2012, 02:42 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                                Asbestos dust is carcinogenic if inhaled . Non-asbestos pads are environment and health friendly replacement for the traditional Asbestos type . They use a compound of carbon and metal powder instead (so appear darker in colour too) . Less bite , more tendency to glaze or harden and wears out the brake-liner(drum) or disc quicker . Even disregarding the cost .
                                But worldwide laws are being made to outlaw Asbestos use , so sooner or later Indian/Chinese manufacturers shall have to conform to it and the non-Asbestos type is what will remain in market . This is why the older type still there in the market does not mention Asbestos-type etc specifically on the pack , while non-asbestos type specifically says so on the pack itself . Maybe this is confusing you ?
                                Pinkai Sir : My main concern is braking bite. Ever since i got my bike,my rear brake was almost useless.Dont know what brand they using in new xtrems for brakes.Front one was GOOD. Just wanted to know whether Non-Asbestos ASK/ANL brakes would increase the bite atleast 30-50% in rear and 20-30% in front(already good).One thing for sure i m not gonna use OEM Brakes for rear atleast.
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