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  • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

    Now how is the braking

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    • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

      Originally posted by ashwin.terminator View Post
      An upgrade that I have been longing for so long finally came to fruition around 30 hours ago.



      Finally upgraded the brakes!

      My quest for better brakes began just a few days after I bought the bike. After the euphoria of a new bike died down, the reality check was that the stock brakes were way too spongy. Tried changing pads, fluid, but nothing really helped.

      Ray of hope was @SunnyBoi, who suggested a hose + caliper change as he had done on his Karizma. I toyed around with the idea a little bit. Sunny suggested a Pulsar Master Cylinder with the P220 brake hose, as he had done on his ZMA. But I had experience with the old Pulsar brake, the ones from ETS, they were supremely sharp. But I hated them. Why? You could never modulate them. They were, as Sunny put it, the "on" and "off" variety.

      I had always appreciated the brakes of the Yamahas. So I went about enquiring about the costs of the Master Cylinders for the 2 main contenders. The FZ and the R15. After hearing the costs, it was an easy decision. Rs. 1200 vs Rs. 4000.

      This Monday, I'd gone to Khivraj Bajaj, Kasturba Road and bought the Pulsar 220 Steel Brake Hose. Then on Tuesday(Yesterday), bought the FZ Master Cylinder, which didn't have the lever attached to it nor the brake light switch. Bought the other 2 separately along with the Banjo Bolt from Perfect Riders, Lalbagh Road, Bangalore.


      Post which, I headed straight for Sunny's place. He had offered to help me make the swap. And to be fair, I didn't help. He did all the work himself and also made sure it was a thorough job.

      I tip my hat to you, @SunnyBoi "Saar"!

      He first drained the old DOT3 fluid and flushed it with DOT4 fluid with the old Master Cylinder itself. Then we proceeded to removing the old Master Cylinder and the Brake hose and replaced them with the new ones. Fairly straightforward.

      Problems faced were not too many. But one main concern was the length of the hose. It just fits. And you can't route it through the inside of the headlamp assembly. It had to be done from the outside, by the side of the right forks. But not really a concern. This is why I needed a zip-tie. To secure the hose. Also, the FZ Master Cylinder didn't come with the Master Cylinder Kit(or atleast part of it). The assembly did not have the rubber cup like thing, the pushrod and the spring that connects the Lever to the Master Cylinder. Luckily, the ones from the stock Master Cylinder were a direct fit! So that was another another minor headache averted.

      Also, the brake light switch of the FZ uses the same kind of connector clips, but they were complicated. The switch was connected to a pin that would end right after the Master Cylinder and there was a extension cable with make clips inside a plastic connector, which wouldn't be able to house the stock brake light switch clips. Removing the extension cable was an option, but the stock wires were too short to reach the clips directly. So Sunny did a stop-gap arrangement to ride away in safety for the day.

      The moment of truth was the ride I took soon after. I didn't feel very happy at first, but a few 100m into the ride and a big smile was plastered across my face. The brakes were beautiful. Super sharp! And the feedback was outstanding. I knew exactly when the tyres were going to lock.

      Come next day, I wanted to get the brake light switch connections fixed. The exposed wiring stuck out like a sore thumb. I felt that the best option would be to cut short the extension cable and then fit compatible connector clips to the end. I went to Gowri Automobiles, RV Road, Bangalore and asked them for "Horn Connector Clips", just as @shoeb2015 had told me to. The gave the clips. But there was a problem, they were too big. Searched JC Road, SP Road, but didn't get the right size.

      Came home and cut the clips using a plier. After some trial and error, got the size right and made the fit. So everything is perfect now!

      This is the cost breakdown:

      1) Yamaha FZ Master Cylinder - Rs. 1155
      2) FZ Brake Lever - Rs. 95
      3) FZ Banjo Bolt - Rs. 9
      4) FZ Front Brake Light Switch - Rs. 80
      5) Pulsar 220 Steel Brake Hose - Rs. 1110
      6) FZ Master Cylinder Kit - Rs. 190
      7) Zip Tie + Connectors - Rs. 10

      Total - Rs. 2649

      Some pictures:

      A big, big thank you to Sunnyboi, without whom, none of this would've been possible. Be it the idea or the execution!
      So pulsar 220 front has steel bladed brake lines :O and you got these stuff from Bajaj & Yamaha's service center or from local shop?

      And finally what oil you poured DOT3 or DOT4? How older (kms) your brake pads are?
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      • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

        Originally posted by ATHUL4R View Post
        Now how is the braking
        Braking is much, much better now. Previously, I had to brake with 3 fingers. But now, I can easily make do with one and two, at most.

        The feedback and the response is loads better. Will get the caliper cleaned and greased this weekend I think to fix a squeaky noise.

        What grease do I use for the caliper pin?

        Originally posted by itsmevini123 View Post
        So pulsar 220 front has steel bladed brake lines :O and you got these stuff from Bajaj & Yamaha's service center or from local shop?

        And finally what oil you poured DOT3 or DOT4? How older (kms) your brake pads are?
        From the showrooms man. I figure it'd have cost me less at Local Shops. But then they might be old stock and I don't want to compromise on safety for the sake of a few hundred rupees.

        And finally, I used DOT4.

        The brake pads are quite old actually. I'm not sure how many km exactly. But well over 5000km in my opinion.

        Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post
        @ashwin.terminator.. Price gap this huge, the product can't be genuine.
        Get Rynox Rampage. There were my first gloves also. Best for city use.
        I think I'll look at planetdsg as well. Thanks for the tip!

        Originally posted by itsmevini123 View Post
        Price difference is huge, though Chinese can do anything take it as a bet....Let us know if you order, we also would like to get them...
        Haha. Thanks, but I'll give this one a pass. :P

        I'm no lab rat. :P
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        • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

          What's the stock afr setting on a hunk? Thinking about reverting to it to rule out tuning issue.

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          • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

            Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post
            @ashwin.terminator.. Price gap this huge, the product can't be genuine.
            Get Rynox Rampage. There were my first gloves also. Best for city use.
            Originally posted by SJD2342 View Post
            What's the stock afr setting on a hunk? Thinking about reverting to it to rule out tuning issue.
            I remember reading that it was something around 1.6 or 1.7 turns.
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            • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

              Originally posted by ashwin.terminator View Post
              I remember reading that it was something around 1.6 or 1.7 turns.
              This is also where I get the highest rpm and mileage is still bloody 35. This bike is frustrating me to no end. On the plus side,I did manage to get a feeler gauge. It does not have the .12mm blade though. Can I combine the .04mm and .08mm blades to measure the clearance?

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              • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                Originally posted by SJD2342 View Post
                This is also where I get the highest rpm and mileage is still bloody 35. This bike is frustrating me to no end. On the plus side,I did manage to get a feeler gauge. It does not have the .12mm blade though. Can I combine the .04mm and .08mm blades to measure the clearance?
                Damn, I can understand your frustration.

                Yes, you can use the 0.08 and 0.04 feelers together.

                I wish I could help you with the mileage issue, but I think all that I would suggest have already been suggested.

                1) Try a different bunk
                2) Check chain slack
                3) Check tyre pressure
                4) Ride smooth, avoid braking as much as possible
                5) Check valve clearances

                I can't think of anything else right now. :/

                My post about the brake swap has been updated. Please read: http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1090858

                Last edited by ashwin.terminator; 09-12-2014, 12:40 AM.
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                • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                  Guys, how many of you have problem of Gear Slipping from 5th to 4th randomly after an upward shift?
                  Its been 3 years, and I'm used to it on my bike, but still it makes me feel bad. Three service centres where I've taken the bike told me that its a manufacturing defect for a batch of bikes, and it can not be rectified under warranty. Its not a big deal as it happens once in 7 or 10 times only now, but certainly it won't be good if I don't want to have a new bike soon.
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                  • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                    Originally posted by Crank49 View Post
                    Guys, how many of you have problem of Gear Slipping from 5th to 4th randomly after an upward shift?
                    Its been 3 years, and I'm used to it on my bike, but still it makes me feel bad. Three service centres where I've taken the bike told me that its a manufacturing defect for a batch of bikes, and it can not be rectified under warranty. Its not a big deal as it happens once in 7 or 10 times only now, but certainly it won't be good if I don't want to have a new bike soon.
                    I have faced it 3 or 4 times during the 3 years of ownership. But i remember that when i bought my xtreme there was a sticker on the rear number plate saying "5th gear complaint" i noticed it after reaching home so didn't asked at svc. Also i felt like there is no issue so neglected it.

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                    • Originally posted by Crank49 View Post
                      Guys, how many of you have problem of Gear Slipping from 5th to 4th randomly after an upward shift?
                      Its been 3 years, and I'm used to it on my bike, but still it makes me feel bad. Three service centres where I've taken the bike told me that its a manufacturing defect for a batch of bikes, and it can not be rectified under warranty. Its not a big deal as it happens once in 7 or 10 times only now, but certainly it won't be good if I don't want to have a new bike soon.
                      Loosen the chain and maintain a slack of 1&1/2inch at the tightest point.

                      Idiots at svc tighten the chain too much which causes the counter shaft to flex under acceleration. If used continuously with a tight chain then counter shaft bearings will wear out rapidly.

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                      • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                        Originally posted by ashwin.terminator View Post
                        I remember reading that it was something around 1.6 or 1.7 turns.
                        But from where to start those turn?
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                        • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                          Originally posted by itsmevini123 View Post
                          But from where to start those turn?
                          from full closed position

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                          • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                            Adjusted my tappets now the bike wont start. Also the kick lever feels really loose now. It is really easy to push. Help please.

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                            • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                              Originally posted by SJD2342 View Post
                              Adjusted my tappets now the bike wont start. Also the kick lever feels really loose now. It is really easy to push. Help please.
                              Looks like no compression in cylinder might be due to bad tappets adjustments

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                              • re: CBZ xtreme / Hunk

                                Yep no compression but due to air leaking out from the cylinder. Apparently my engine head threading is gone and needs to be rethreaded. Oil was also spraying out through the leaks.

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