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  • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

    Originally posted by SparKot View Post
    Well, more than 80% of what Suzuki Motorcycle India sells are 125cc Scooters, that's only 25-30 thousand a month. 125cc & telescopic suspension are Suzuki's selling points.

    That's because Suzuki has ONLY 125cc scoots in the Indian market.. :-) And their motorcycles do not have many fans either.. If telescopic suspension was a factor then you should be seeing the sales figures of Activa's dropping.. most of the buyers have no idea what a telescopic or trailing link (activa) suspension is. And do you remember the kinetic honda ? Another example of a great scoot without telescopic suspension.. Yes telescopic suspension makes a difference but the trailing link suspension is good enough too..and has proved itself over the years.


    Suzuki's coming up with 110cc scooter while Honda is with 125cc. Same case with Yamaha & other giants. We've 100cc, 125cc, 150cc segments in Motorcycles; likewise I assume 100-110cc, 125cc will become with scooters.

    Now why do you think suzuki is coming down from 125 to 110 ? Think..
    There a whole world of a difference between motorcycles and scooters.. A pulsar 200 returns a mileage of around 34 with good performance.. Do you think a 200cc gear less scooter can achieve such figures ? Like I said, the Majority market for scooters in India is based on ease of use and mileage.. and mileage will drop as capacity goes beyond say 125cc.. I don't think there will ever be anything beyond 125 in the gear less scooter market in India, unless it is aimed solely at performance.


    Another category that is yet to take off (remember the Hero honda street) is the step thru scooter/motorcycles.. Now that's a different ball game all together :-)
    My views in bold..

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    Originally posted by MR ACE View Post
    My dio is almost 3 years completing. I am still searching for a better replacement for it but only the suzuki's scooters comes upfront. Maybe this activa 125 is the replacement? If Honda is getting dio body in the 125cc, i would happily trade of my current ride to this one. The 110 cc dio lacks tele-scopic suspension & a disc brake(opt).

    Previously there was 50-100cc scooters were there. Now every manufacture is phasing out 100cc. So 110-125cc is the current thread. The 150's will take a lot of time.

    Kanna laddu thinna aasaya .. oh man i wish i could get my hand on a good old tvs 50 !! It had such an amazing vibe both in my heart and my hand(that amazing vibe on the handle bar remember ?)

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    • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

      I got the vague impression from the sales people in 4 showrooms that Aviator production is likely to stop. The Activa 125 is borrowing the wheels and brakes from the Aviator and around 2k-3k pricier. Delivery starting from end of April to mid of May depending on showroom.

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      • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

        Originally posted by Samyaza View Post
        I got the vague impression from the sales people in 4 showrooms that Aviator production is likely to stop. The Activa 125 is borrowing the wheels and brakes from the Aviator and around 2k-3k pricier. Delivery starting from end of April to mid of May depending on showroom.
        That wouldn't be surprising.. considering Honda currently has 4 machines with same engines (activa, activa i , aviator and dio).. makes sense to drop one and bring in a DIFFERENT model. Let's hope the 125 is well accepted (i have faith in their engines/mechanicals but whats to watch is how the average consumer reacts to a 125)
        I still think the 110cc ones will be the bread and butter for hmsi in the scooter segment, with the 125 as an addition to their portfolio which will probably put a dent to the sales figures of suzuki scoots. Earlier a lot of people bought the wego's n suzuki's due to the 'waiting period' the activa's had... but now that has changed and considering honda is launching a 125, should worry suzuki who are yet to make a solid impact in the market.

        And oh btw.. am heading for a service of my dio in a few minutes.. this has been the Longest interval between services.. almost 7 months and 2900km with lots of short runs/stop-go driving - the castrol activ gearless 20w40 oil has been holding up pretty decently and i had to top up around 100ml a month ago. Apart from the usual service routine (which i have posted about earlier), will be changing the air filter and using some clamps to fix the front lower body panel.
        Last edited by s1d; 04-06-2014, 08:46 AM.

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        • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

          Originally posted by Samyaza View Post
          I got the vague impression from the sales people in 4 showrooms that Aviator production is likely to stop. The Activa 125 is borrowing the wheels and brakes from the Aviator and around 2k-3k pricier. Delivery starting from end of April to mid of May depending on showroom.
          Originally posted by s1d View Post
          That wouldn't be surprising.. considering Honda currently has 4 machines with same engines (activa, activa i , aviator and dio).. makes sense to drop one and bring in a DIFFERENT model. Let's hope the 125 is well accepted (i have faith in their engines/mechanicals but whats to watch is how the average consumer reacts to a 125)
          I still think the 110cc ones will be the bread and butter for hmsi in the scooter segment, with the 125 as an addition to their portfolio which will probably put a dent to the sales figures of suzuki scoots. Earlier a lot of people bought the wego's n suzuki's due to the 'waiting period' the activa's had... but now that has changed and considering honda is launching a 125, should worry suzuki who are yet to make a solid impact in the market.

          Honda must discontinue the aviator cuz, why would two scooters have more or less similar pricing to be sold side by side? Even the new activa 125 looks similar to current aviator. So people won't get confused. My guess the new activa 125 ex-showroom might be 50k-52k, bringing to on-road of 62-64k.
          Failure should never go to heart & success should never go to head,both makes a person to fall in life-Winston Churchill


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          Tomorrow is a mystery.
          Today is a gift, That is why it is called \"Present\".

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          • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

            Originally posted by MR ACE View Post
            Honda must discontinue the aviator cuz, why would two scooters have more or less similar pricing to be sold side by side? Even the new activa 125 looks similar to current aviator. So people won't get confused. My guess the new activa 125 ex-showroom might be 50k-52k, bringing to on-road of 62-64k.
            Well yes, that is also another reason to discontinue the aviator apart from the fact that it doesn't sell like hot cakes compared to the regular activa (i am sure the 125 will do similar numbers like the aviator). Honda is at a very comfortable position in the Indian two wheeler segment (more so in the gearless scoot category)and can afford to bring in a 125.. and put a dent in the sales figures of other players That's the devil in Honda doing its work

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            • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

              The belt noise nightmare of my Honda Dio 2012 is back after riding the scoot about 200kms(post Clutch plate service at my local mechanic) .

              I straight away went to Silicon Honda Service Center, Mysore Road, Bangalore.

              Explained the noise problem. The mechanic told me, it was the belt noise & it quite common as the scoot has covered 4000kms. He also took my scoot for a short test & said There's nothing to worry about the scoot. It is totally normal.
              Now should I really not worry about the scoot's noise problem(trusting the A.*.* guy)?.

              Any suggestions guys?

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              • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                Originally posted by suprasuperb80 View Post
                The belt noise nightmare of my Honda Dio 2012 is back after riding the scoot about 200kms(post Clutch plate service at my local mechanic) .

                I straight away went to Silicon Honda Service Center, Mysore Road, Bangalore.

                Explained the noise problem. The mechanic told me, it was the belt noise & it quite common as the scoot has covered 4000kms. He also took my scoot for a short test & said There's nothing to worry about the scoot. It is totally normal.
                Now should I really not worry about the scoot's noise problem(trusting the A.*.* guy)?.

                Any suggestions guys?
                Buddy its difficult to help you without actually riding and hearing it. It could be as simple as normal or something that needs attention.
                Why don't you take it to another ASC and get their opinion and also compare it with another dio ?
                If you are 100% sure that the noise is abnormal after comparing with another Dio, and the ASC just brushes it off as 'normal' or 'normal, it will go away after sometime' - pls do write an email to honda or post a feedback on their website Honda

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                • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                  Completed 3 years & 39k & counting on my DIO.

                  After all these years riding a scooter changed my riding style. Even if i took a bike for a spin inside city, i feel irritated for the A-B-C. Scooters are fun!

                  [MENTION=62690]suprasuperb80[/MENTION]: Another suggestion. Try to locate a xbhpian near your home who was riding scooters & bikes. He might have knowledge about scooters anatomy. He might help you out.
                  Failure should never go to heart & success should never go to head,both makes a person to fall in life-Winston Churchill


                  Yesterday is history.
                  Tomorrow is a mystery.
                  Today is a gift, That is why it is called \"Present\".

                  Enjoy every moment.

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                  • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                    i have done almost 2200kms on ma new dio ..finished first service second service is dew on 3500km...do i need a oil change in n btw second service.. heard lot of complaints about honda service ao do i need to get an oil from outside..and can i use synthetic oil???

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                    • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                      Originally posted by ranger View Post
                      i have done almost 2200kms on ma new dio ..finished first service second service is dew on 3500km...do i need a oil change in n btw second service.. heard lot of complaints about honda service ao do i need to get an oil from outside..and can i use synthetic oil???
                      Oil change is necessary in the second service since you have covered enough km's after first service. When you leave the scooter at the service, tell them that you want the oil changed in front of you from a sealed bottle. usually the oil change can be done at the time of collecting the scooter and the ASC will mostly agree to this.. unless you are going to stay back and watch the scooter serviced
                      Stick to the oil from the ASC - make sure its from the golden colored bottle (JASO MB)

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                      • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                        Originally posted by s1d View Post
                        Oil change is necessary in the second service since you have covered enough km's after first service. When you leave the scooter at the service, tell them that you want the oil changed in front of you from a sealed bottle. usually the oil change can be done at the time of collecting the scooter and the ASC will mostly agree to this.. unless you are going to stay back and watch the scooter serviced
                        Stick to the oil from the ASC - make sure its from the golden colored bottle (JASO MB)
                        thanks for the reply... am not sure that they will agree with as the ASC here is famous for their bullcrap attitude..so can we do the oil change from outside... herd that using shell synthetic oil is better than the honda oil is that true??

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                        • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                          Originally posted by ranger View Post
                          thanks for the reply... am not sure that they will agree with as the ASC here is famous for their bullcrap attitude..so can we do the oil change from outside... herd that using shell synthetic oil is better than the honda oil is that true??
                          No harm in asking them first, be firm but not rude. My advice will be to stick to the honda oil and change it at ASC, or they might tell you the warranty will be void.
                          And yes Shell's oil is also good, i have used the AX5 (which is a mineral oil). The honda's oil is good too, but its a 10w30 oil.
                          My personal preference would be 20w40.. and NO the synthetic oil is not needed.. just a waste of money.
                          Bottom line if you ask me.. stick to honda 10w30 at ASC if you want your warranty intact or get the castrol activ scooter 20w40 or 10w30 JASO MB and have it changed outside. Remember..never fill more than 800ml.

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                          • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                            Originally posted by s1d View Post
                            No harm in asking them first, be firm but not rude. My advice will be to stick to the honda oil and change it at ASC, or they might tell you the warranty will be void.
                            And yes Shell's oil is also good, i have used the AX5 (which is a mineral oil). The honda's oil is good too, but its a 10w30 oil.
                            My personal preference would be 20w40.. and NO the synthetic oil is not needed.. just a waste of money.
                            Bottom line if you ask me.. stick to honda 10w30 at ASC if you want your warranty intact or get the castrol activ scooter 20w40 or 10w30 JASO MB and have it changed outside. Remember..never fill more than 800ml.
                            thanks for the valuable suggestions will stick with honda oil for two more services

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                            • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                              what is the benefit engine de-carbonising recommended by race honda..??
                              and is there in any good service centre in East Delhi exept race honda...

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                              • Re: Honda Dio, Activa and Aviator

                                Originally posted by slevynhawk View Post
                                what is the benefit engine de-carbonising recommended by race honda..??
                                and is there in any good service centre in East Delhi exept race honda...
                                Engine de carbonizing is done to remove carbon deposits from the engine components (cylinder head/combustion chamber/valves/piston head).. Some of the issues it helps minimizing/fixing are rough idling,mileage,emissions,knocking etc ..

                                how many kms has your scooter done ? Just so you know, mine has clocked over 40000km and hasn't had the need for a decarb. It is well maintained with regular services and oil changes every 2500km approx (and using good quality fuel, you know some ppl use fuel sold on road side, adulterated fuel etc.. etc.. ). From my experience, under normal circumstances you could easily clock around 50k before thinking of a decarb.
                                And are you having any issues with the scooter ?
                                Last edited by s1d; 04-25-2014, 03:14 AM.

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