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**joshzma225** · 05-27-2012, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Doga View Post

Ahh. Feel relieved now that you guys say it's normal

Yeah the fan does come to life pretty soon when only the 1st and 2nd are used for prolonged intervals. But 8-10 minutes does sound pretty soon to me too. Your coolant level is adequate? Get it checked at the svc.

Updates : Purchased 2 bottles of Motul 3100 Gold T 20W50 yesterday from Babloo Motors, Vashi. The bottles have 'technosynthese' written on them. It's a Motul copyright or something. I am not sure if that is mineral or SS. Most probably SS. Can anyone confirm?
Also picked up a bike cover. Rs 450. Bad buy perhaps, but I was in urgent need of one. Was sick of finding the gears of my bike engaged every morning.Why can't people just check out the bike without messing with the gears and touching it. Yesterday had my bike parked in Vashi sec 17 after duly paying the parking attendant 5 bucks. I was standing barely 5-6 meters away from the bike. Two guys, both of them looking the general software engineer type, suddenly arrive and before I realize there intent, one of the guys without any hesitation, swings his leg over my bike and is atop in no time. I said "dude, that's my bike." He gives me an embarrassed look and gets off. His friend says, He's gonna buy this bike soon, so was checking out. I told him the KTM Vashi showroom is like half a km away and they are giving test rides for sure. He nodded his head and left.
I find this kind of behaviour sick. It's ok if someone wants to check the bike out. It is a great bike to look at, no doubt. It's a radical design. I agree. But checking out and screwing the transmission should be different things right?

Originally posted by hellbreaker46 View Post

Yesterday I had the 1st svc of my Ninja. I switched to Motul 3100 gold 20W50 (mineral oil). It cost me 600 for a pair of them and guess what; the engine has become smoother right from the word go, especially the gear shifts.

There's the answer to your engine oil question.

And hey about the people randomly coming and trying to swing a leg over your bike, I completely understand what you must be going through!!! I mean when you see a superbike parked somewhere you just look at it, you have the decency not to jump on to someone else's personal property...I'm seriously gonna stick a pin into the seat...pointy side up...just gotta remember to remove it when I get back to ride though :-D

The same incident happened to me when I went to the Phoenix mills KTM SVC and parked my bike outside the SVC to go collect some money I had left there. Before I knew it 3 Miya Bhais, OR Bantai's were happily taking turns sitting on the bike. When I asked what the huck they were doing one of them apologized, but the other two were like "kya karega bhe? mussal mat dikhao" And I just wished I had a friggin gun with a silencer to shoot their extremities off!!! The security and another by stander soon intervened before I ended up sticking a money wrench up their...@#$% But seriously an immobilizer with Electric Shock passing through the bike would be a godsend!!!

**burninrubbr** · 05-27-2012, 03:43 PM

^^
It isn't you, your build does make you look more though and attitude-ish than you are

**VindyTheRider** · 05-27-2012, 08:53 PM

"In Love again!"

Hi
Let me introduce myself, I am Aravind, proud new owner of the KTM Duke 200.

Have been following this thread from the time it was posted.This thread is very helpful to all the new owners of the KTM..
This is also my first post in the XBHP.i tried registering on this site a few years ago i had a lot of difficulties and couldnt be on boarded and was lazy come back try again.
But after reading the Mega Duke review i was very impressed and decided on joining..

@joshzma225 "And hey about the people randomly coming and trying to swing a leg over your bike, I completely understand what you must be going through!!! I mean when you see a superbike parked somewhere you just look at it, you have the decency not to jump on to someone else's personal property...I'm seriously gonna stick a pin into the seat...pointy side up...just gotta remember to remove it when I get back to ride though :-D"

i have the exact same feeling,its been a week since i got my duke.Has done 388 Kms and
here are the issues i have had till now - (i am sure these issues have been put forth by many owners before)

1) Heating issues - Riding in the hot Bangalore traffic takes all the patience you have and moreover with the heat the Duke puts out its makes you life more difficult.

But as some one here said that the fan turn on in just 10 mins of riding!

, i haven't seen the fan come on till like 1 hr of riding.. till ten the engine temp bar is 2 or 3 below max..

I have thought of solution though i dont know if it can be done - it's understood that the fan is controlled by a thermostat, but what i dont understand is why KTM made the thermostat work at 93+ degrees?!!! If we can make it turn on at say 70 or 60 it should cool the radiator and reduce the heating...

Dukers please let me know if anyone has tried it. I understand that the heating reduces after the coolant is changed to a better one.. but still i feel that the fan comes on at a very high temp..

2) Chain sound due to the slack i feel..

3) A faint squeaky sound from the front i believe it is from the front disc, i would assume it was the pad making that noise originally posted by doga : " 3)The handlebar gives this creaky sound when moved. This sound is distinct fro the high pitch squeak which comes from the front disc setup(as also reported by Janesh_J). The mounting screws need to be tightened perhaps." if more info on that is provided by him it would be more helpful..

4) Biggest problem people touching the bike and trying to move it by sitting on it.. I say wt* get off my bike..

I am proud that people find it amusing, but sitting at trying it out is pushing it far..

and people calling it Yamaha i still dont get it!!..

Other that this a great bike nothing to complain of...

One word DUKE'D

i am new around here so please go easy on me if i am breaking any of the forum rules or if my posting practices are logical..

Here are some of pictures i took of me Duke..

**Akshay Jain** · 05-27-2012, 11:17 PM

can we install hid in duke . guys .. ?

**hunkofgals** · 05-28-2012, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by VindyTheRider View Post

Hi
Let me introduce myself, I am Aravind, proud new owner of the KTM Duke 200.

Have been following this thread from the time it was posted.This thread is very helpful to all the new owners of the KTM..
This is also my first post in the XBHP.i tried registering on this site a few years ago i had a lot of difficulties and couldnt be on boarded and was lazy come back try again.
But after reading the Mega Duke review i was very impressed and decided on joining..

@joshzma225 "And hey about the people randomly coming and trying to swing a leg over your bike, I completely understand what you must be going through!!! I mean when you see a superbike parked somewhere you just look at it, you have the decency not to jump on to someone else's personal property...I'm seriously gonna stick a pin into the seat...pointy side up...just gotta remember to remove it when I get back to ride though :-D"

i have the exact same feeling,its been a week since i got my duke.Has done 388 Kms and
here are the issues i have had till now - (i am sure these issues have been put forth by many owners before)

1) Heating issues - Riding in the hot Bangalore traffic takes all the patience you have and moreover with the heat the Duke puts out its makes you life more difficult.

But as some one here said that the fan turn on in just 10 mins of riding!

, i haven't seen the fan come on till like 1 hr of riding.. till ten the engine temp bar is 2 or 3 below max..

I have thought of solution though i dont know if it can be done - it's understood that the fan is controlled by a thermostat, but what i dont understand is why KTM made the thermostat work at 93+ degrees?!!! If we can make it turn on at say 70 or 60 it should cool the radiator and reduce the heating...

Dukers please let me know if anyone has tried it. I understand that the heating reduces after the coolant is changed to a better one.. but still i feel that the fan comes on at a very high temp..

2) Chain sound due to the slack i feel..

3) A faint squeaky sound from the front i believe it is from the front disc, i would assume it was the pad making that noise originally posted by doga : " 3)The handlebar gives this creaky sound when moved. This sound is distinct fro the high pitch squeak which comes from the front disc setup(as also reported by Janesh_J). The mounting screws need to be tightened perhaps." if more info on that is provided by him it would be more helpful..

4) Biggest problem people touching the bike and trying to move it by sitting on it.. I say wt* get off my bike..

I am proud that people find it amusing, but sitting at trying it out is pushing it far..

and people calling it Yamaha i still dont get it!!..

Other that this a great bike nothing to complain of...

One word DUKE'D

i am new around here so please go easy on me if i am breaking any of the forum rules or if my posting practices are logical..

Here are some of pictures i took of me Duke..

Congrats bro
welcome to the duker's tribe

everyone is reporting this squeaky sound coming while turning the handle bar
i wonder what is it cuz i didnt face it till date
.
and regarding moving the bike
even im not able to move the bike sitting on it ue to my short height 5'6" and i kept 2 inches foam seat and now toh touching the ground on toes is also difficult

so i dont mind getting down n moving the bike because i dont wanna remove my foam seat at any cost because i need comfort
let people laugh at me
but i need comfort as the stock seats are worst
.
and regarding heating issue
lately my engine is heating much even after switching to motul 7100
it was fine after 1st service
but now its heating like hell may be due to increase in temperature in my city
and the bike doesn't perform as it is when its in warm temperature ,
need to go to the SVC to find out whats the reason
and its high time
i change to engine ice coolant now !

**scbra** · 05-28-2012, 01:28 AM

KTM 200 Duke rocks!

Self explanatory

and how true

[NOTE: Not sure about the exact source or if this pic has been shared earlier, but took this pic from the Facebook profile of a fellow Hyderabad Duker, Arjun]

**lovish** · 05-28-2012, 01:54 AM

Nothing against the bike and its owners.. I have never rode the bike and please forgive me if it offends you in anyway but don't you think this bike looks exactly like a mixture of Impulse and FZ .. and paying 1.25 lacs for it are a little too high... that's what I felt on 1st looks to it.. don't know whether am right or not.. kindly put some light on the justification for the price tag

Thanks..

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**ASSASSIN07** · 05-28-2012, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by lovish View Post

Nothing against the bike and its owners.. I have never rode the bike and please forgive me if it offends you in anyway but don't you think this bike looks exactly like a mixture of Impulse and FZ .. and paying 1.25 lacs for it are a little too high... that's what I felt on 1st looks to it.. don't know whether am right or not.. kindly put some light on the justification for the price tag

Thanks..

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Is "looks" the only criteria for you in deciding the price tag for the bike?
If yes, then yes Duke is highly overpriced for "you". Infact, you can buy an FZ & an Impulse for the price of Duke.
P.S. - Looks are subjective & I personally don't feel that Duke is a mixture of FZ & Impulse

**NiXTriX** · 05-28-2012, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by lovish View Post

Nothing against the bike and its owners.. I have never rode the bike and please forgive me if it offends you in anyway but don't you think this bike looks exactly like a mixture of Impulse and FZ .. and paying 1.25 lacs for it are a little too high... that's what I felt on 1st looks to it.. don't know whether am right or not.. kindly put some light on the justification for the price tag

Thanks..

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Originally posted by ASSASSIN07 View Post

Is "looks" the only criteria for you in deciding the price tag for the bike?
If yes, then yes Duke is highly overpriced for "you". Infact, you can buy an FZ & an Impulse for the price of Duke.
P.S. - Looks are subjective & I personally don't feel that Duke is a mixture of FZ & Impulse

I agree with ASSASSIN07. Looks is not the only criteria. Lovish let me assure you that The Duke grabs more attention than your regular bike. i was standing next to a CBR250 at a signal and who do you think had more eyeballs and questions coming their way? The Duke. And its not only me. You can have a look at the previous posts and threads on Facebook as well. In fact, its become a menace and we literally have to shoo away people flocking around the bike.

**deepheartrider** · 05-28-2012, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by scbra View Post

Self explanatory

and how true

[NOTE: Not sure about the exact source or if this pic has been shared earlier, but took this pic from the Facebook profile of a fellow Hyderabad Duker, Arjun]

The picture is from the overdrive website. The website has compared all the three bikes to the core and its insane to compare all the three based only on their closely arranged price tag rather than their category.. each one is unique and list top in their own specific category!!! understand it first my dear friend

**VindyTheRider** · 05-28-2012, 11:04 AM

FZ and Impulse vs Duke

Originally posted by lovish View Post

Nothing against the bike and its owners.. I have never rode the bike and please forgive me if it offends you in anyway but don't you think this bike looks exactly like a mixture of Impulse and FZ .. and paying 1.25 lacs for it are a little too high... that's what I felt on 1st looks to it.. don't know whether am right or not.. kindly put some light on the justification for the price tag

Thanks..

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I don't understand as to how people judge a machine by its looks and say that its might not be worth the money

.. Its a bike! please take a test ride and then judge..

As to comparing it with FZ and Impulse! i have no comments.. You can probably just buy both the FZ and Impulse instead of one Duke as someone on the forum said..

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**ynike99** · 05-28-2012, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by lovish View Post

Nothing against the bike and its owners.. I have never rode the bike and please forgive me if it offends you in anyway but don't you think this bike looks exactly like a mixture of Impulse and FZ .. and paying 1.25 lacs for it are a little too high... that's what I felt on 1st looks to it.. don't know whether am right or not.. kindly put some light on the justification for the price

Well if u think that its a mix of fz and impulse then seriously you need to vvisit an eye surgeon.regarding justification for price tag our duke has power Of 25 bhp and the power of both bikes u mentioned together equals 27 bhp.then theres usd forks, bybre brakes, trellis frame and overall quality of the materials used.but if u cant distinghuish between silver and platinum i really pity u.if u are comfortable paying 1.2 for r15 then shouldnt 1.3 for a bike which beats it on track justified? Duke 200 sells upwards of 3 lacs in other countries, 5 in some.fz gives you 14 bhp in 75000, duke gives 25 in 131000.do the math.This is a duke ownership thread mate, post your queries elsewhere.
Mods, could you do the needful?

**Doga** · 05-28-2012, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by joshzma225 View Post

There's the answer to your engine oil question.

Thanks. I am wiser now

The same incident happened to me when I went to the Phoenix mills KTM SVC and parked my bike outside the SVC to go collect some money I had left there. Before I knew it 3 Miya Bhais, OR Bantai's were happily taking turns sitting on the bike. When I asked what the huck they were doing one of them apologized, but the other two were like "kya karega bhe? mussal mat dikhao" And I just wished I had a friggin gun with a silencer to shoot their extremities off!!! The security and another by stander soon intervened before I ended up sticking a money wrench up their...@#$% But seriously an immobilizer with Electric Shock passing through the bike would be a godsend!!!

ROTFL. We can work on the "immobilizer with Electric Shock passing through te bike' idea .
I though decided to find a temporary solution till the time we devise some radical solution like yours. Bought a bike cover from babloo motors Vashi. Jumbo size, as he advised not to go for XL as it might not fit the duke becuase of it's larger wheelbase. Rs 450 was the price and the material is okayish but definitely not good.
This perhaps will avoid unwelcome 'let's-check-it-out' chaps in the society parking atleast.
On a second thought though, the covered bike stands even more out among the sea of uncovered FZs and CBZs. I hope I have not made it even more attention grabbing in the garage.The cover might just tickle the imagination of the 'society kids' and dudes and do more damage than good

Originally posted by VindyTheRider View Post

Hi
Let me introduce myself, I am Aravind, proud new owner of the KTM Duke 200.

Welcome to the forum man. XBHP is a wonderful forum and every new member adds to the 'wonder'

1) Heating issues - Riding in the hot Bangalore traffic takes all the patience you have and moreover with the heat the Duke puts out its makes you life more difficult.

But as some one here said that the fan turn on in just 10 mins of riding!

, i haven't seen the fan come on till like 1 hr of riding.. till ten the engine temp bar is 2 or 3 below max..

That's AnupamOnWheel's bike I think

I have thought of solution though i dont know if it can be done - it's understood that the fan is controlled by a thermostat, but what i dont understand is why KTM made the thermostat work at 93+ degrees?!!! If we can make it turn on at say 70 or 60 it should cool the radiator and reduce the heating...

Dukers please let me know if anyone has tried it. I understand that the heating reduces after the coolant is changed to a better one.. but still i feel that the fan comes on at a very high temp..

First of all it'll void your warranty if you somehow lower the fan 'turn on' temperature. Playing with the electricals is strict no-no from bajaj.
Now technically, there might be questions around the reliability of the Fan Circuitry becuase the engine reaches 60-70 degrees in no time and stays there or above I think and hence the fan would always be on or would switch on-off much too frequently.This might not have been taken into the design considerations.

3) A faint squeaky sound from the front i believe it is from the front disc, i would assume it was the pad making that noise originally posted by doga : " 3)The handlebar gives this creaky sound when moved. This sound is distinct fro the high pitch squeak which comes from the front disc setup(as also reported by Janesh_J). The mounting screws need to be tightened perhaps." if more info on that is provided by him it would be more helpful..

The squeaky sound which emanates from the front disc setup has been reported by many and I now think is common among dukes.
This sound is different than the 'creak' (like charrr...) which the handlebar itself produces when moved. I speculated that it might be loose bolts at the centre of the handlebar(at the clasps holding it to be precise) .
I tried tightening them yesterday and the sound has lessened to an extent but it's still there.

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Originally posted by NiXTriX View Post

I agree with ASSASSIN07. Looks is not the only criteria. Lovish let me assure you that The Duke grabs more attention than your regular bike. i was standing next to a CBR250 at a signal and who do you think had more eyeballs and questions coming their way? The Duke. And its not only me. You can have a look at the previous posts and threads on Facebook as well. In fact, its become a menace and we literally have to shoo away people flocking around the bike.

Hah. The duke is the undisputed crowd puller in the market(in it's 'segment' of course). Period. There is CBR wallah in the next building and no body gives a hoot. Though the CBR is a very good design IMO, the duke is the most radical looking thing on the Indian roads. The only people it won't appeal to would be the wrong side of 50 IMO.
I agree that part of the reason the duke attracts so many 2nd looks is that it's new in the market and the public hasn't seen anything like it before. The bright orange colour helps too.(the same way the GREEN Ninja leaves such an impression even though the design is a bit dated and it has been on the roads for quite some time now)
After 5-10 months perhaps, when every tom, dick and harry will own a duke and the soon to be launched GT250R, all the dumb queries at the signals and people jumping on the seat to 'get a feel' would stop

Originally posted by hunkofgals View Post

everyone is reporting this squeaky sound coming while turning the handle bar
i wonder what is it cuz i didnt face it till date

Comes from the front disc. I don't know if it's non issue, but will report it at the svs nonetheless.
.
and regarding heating issue
lately my engine is heating much even after switching to motul 7100
it was fine after 1st service
but now its heating like hell may be due to increase in temperature in my city
and the bike doesn't perform as it is when its in warm temperature ,
need to go to the SVC to find out whats the reason
and its high time
i change to engine ice coolant now !

Can you throw a bit more light on this? This was discussed few pages back I think, but can't find it.Where is engine ice coolant available in Mumbai?

Answers in bold.

Update: I did some DIY yesterday. Tigtened the nuts holding the rear mudguard-saree guard assembly. The squeak coming from the rear is gone now. Tightened the chain too. The bike pulls distinctively clear now. But I hear a new 'krrrr' sound from the left lower side now. May be it's the chain which rubs against the upper chain guard because I may have got the rear wheel misaligned during the chain tightening exercise.
I tried to get it right by trying and testing but could not get rid of it completely.
Or could it be a shim issue. There is no discernible change in the pickup though.

Also how much does the Motul Chain spray+cleaner cost in Mumbai? Babloo motors Vashi quoted me Rs 990.

He did not have collitnite or turtle wax. Only F1. Will have to get it from PRS in Mumbai perhaps.

Change of Oil : The bike has done 600 + now. I wanted to change the engine oil at 500 but could not go on saturday.I won't be able to take it to the svc before next saturday and the bike will have done almost 800-900 by that time. Now I am thinking, why not change it at 1000 itself to mineral 3100 T) and then may be at 1500 another change. Then at 2000 change it to 7100 FS.
Btw how to change it at home? I mean the manual tells how to do it but, how do we measure the exact quantity needed(1.4 litres)?

Regarding the chain hitting swingarm problem, can't we extend the rubber bushing somehow which is there in the underside of the front swingarm to cover most of the swingarm underside?

**joshzma225** · 05-28-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Doga View Post

Update: I did some DIY yesterday...Also how much does the Motul Chain spray+cleaner cost in Mumbai? Babloo motors Vashi quoted me Rs 990.

Even Performance Racing Store sold the set of Motul Chain Clean and Chain Lube to me for Rs.990 only.

Originally posted by Doga View Post

Change of Oil : The bike has done 600 + now. I wanted to change the engine oil at 500 but could not go on saturday.I won't be able to take it to the svc before next saturday and the bike will have done almost 800-900 by that time. Now I am thinking, why not change it at 1000 itself to mineral 3100 T) and then may be at 1500 another change. Then at 2000 change it to 7100 FS.
Btw how to change it at home? I mean the manual tells how to do it but, how do we measure the exact quantity needed(1.4 litres)?

I really don't think you should be doing that many oil changes man. Do one oile change at 1000kms to drain the engine of the scraper piston filings and others debris that may be laden in the cylinder head and switch to MOTUL 7100 FS Oil. If you keep chainging oil like that you won't give the engine a chance to move freely. And With Regards to how to measure the exact quantity needed, the MOTUL 7100 FS has a measure built into the bottle itself. So you pour in one whole bottle (1L) and then pour in 400ml of the 2nd bottle (1L). So the next time you need to do an oil change(@5000kms) ...you just need to buy another 1L can of MOTUL 7100 FS coz you already have 600ml left over.

Originally posted by Doga View Post

Regarding the chain hitting swingarm problem, can't we extend the rubber bushing somehow which is there in the underside of the front swingarm to cover most of the swingarm underside?

That is a Good Idea although even if it is happening I'm too busy enjoying the sound of this rorty exhaust note!!!

**hunkofgals** · 05-28-2012, 03:28 PM

@doga

here's the link of the engine ice

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