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  • [QUOTE=The Mountain;849367]Couple of points of clarification:

    The "W" in a multigrade oil grade stands for Weight, not "Winter". 20W50, for example, means the oil behaves like 20Weight when cold, and 50weight when hot, the end result being an oil that stays at about the same viscosity throughout a range of temperature. The farther "apart" the two numbers are, the wider the temperature range the oil can be suitable for. 20W50 is pretty thick oil, especially for some of the more temperate regions in India. If the temps where you are rarely get above 40 in the summer, especially if you don't do a lot of slow riding in traffic, you could probably get away with a 10W oil, which conceivably can improve your mileage as well as making the engine and transmission smoother when cold. If you live in someplace like Rajasthan, then stick with 20W50.


    Thank you so Much Mountain for all the info provided by you so far it has clarified a lot of doubts about how a machine like The Ktm Duke works its characteristics etc. Looking forward for more such valueable post's from your end. Requesting you to keep on pouring your vast knowledge on this thread so we could learn more ..Cheers
    Its not always about the ride its sometime the Rider!

    Pulsar 150 classic 2003-2008 (50,000 Kms) | HH Karizma R 2008-2012 (48,000 Kms)
    | Duke 200 2012-20xx



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    • Originally posted by Ri$hi View Post
      @Bplus: Good job there. Should be made sticky. People try to avoid quoting the entire post.
      This was collated by Aravind for the FB KTM Owners Group, with inputs from lots of people.... due credit should be given to him / them.

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      • Originally posted by splus View Post
        I completely disagree. This thread was and still is a very good and informative thread.

        The argument in previous pages was very healthy, constructive and informative. Even though some might say it was OT, it was related to technology found in Duke and its younger brother 200NS. But more than that it was quite educational for many of us.
        Mods, please do not delete any posts.
        I am not telling about the technical stuff which was discussed mate..
        I was telling about the unnecessary comparissons and statements like.."this is better..that is better"...
        we all know what duke and ns is capable of..
        I made this request to the mods because there is no point arguing with an idiot and reducing our standards and also this thread's standard and more importantly xbhp's...thats all..cheers..

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        • Originally posted by Rohan200ns View Post
          i have ridden it around 400kms now .. duke gives best mileage at around 80kmph on 6th gear ... mileage is around 60kmpl at that speed range ... mileage is in the range of 40s if u ride it at 50kmph ...duke will give very bad mileage if u ride it slow ...it has to be ridden fast everytime ...engine feels very happy at high revs .. it is most fuel efficient at around 6000rpm on 6th gear ...

          @Payeng - there is no catcon 'tik tik' cooling sound from duke exhaust too ...all my previous bikes had that sound in initial stages ...
          thats true...when i checked my friends duke and had a long ride i got around 52kmpl tankful method that too with pillion.... It was maintaining 70kmph with same throttle imputs.... The engine have incredible volumetric efficiency.... This the most perfect bike on indian soil
          This Tail Is Japani Tail (spell as you like)

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          • Originally posted by splus View Post
            I'm yet to get my Duke, hopefully in some 2 weeks, but I've been following this thread since beginning.
            In some other thread I read that a Duke owner was riding his Duke next to his Pulsar 200NS friend and that at some normal speed the Duke was showing 4-5 km/h on speedo less than 200NS. At speeds of 120-130 km/h this difference on speedo would be around 10 km/h.

            Now, I am not interested in comparing Duke with 200NS but my question is about accuracy of Duke's speedo: is it that Duke shows very accurate speed on speedo and 200NS has a speedo like most other Indian bikes (5-10% higher than actual speed), or is Duke's speedo more or less the same as other bikes but 200NS speedo is way off?

            Has anyone with GPS tried to compare Duke's speedo numbers with GPS speeds?
            If Duke's speedo shows quite accurate speed then 138 km/h on Duke's speedo would be almost 145-150 km/h on most other bikes!

            Just as a point of reference, a large percentage of bikes tend to have "optimistic" speedometers i.e. they read high, especially if the speedo is an actual dial instead of a number readout. I have never seen or heard of a bike that read lower than the speed it was going. So, if the Duke is lower, it's probably the NS that was reading high, and the Duke was more or less accurate.
            ATGATT: All The Gear, All The Time!

            Current bike: Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere

            Put the phone away, put your helmet on, and ride!

            Scooters are like fat girls: fun to ride, but embarrassing if your friends see you with one.

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            • Originally posted by The Mountain View Post
              Second, +1 to the warning against using a pressure washer on the bike. It's not just because of all the electronics. Pressure washers generate enough force to push water past the seals of bearings, which means you can get water (and possibly dirt and grime) inside wheel bearings, steering head bearings, and swingarm bearings, causing significant premature wear.
              +1. There are a few off the shelf products available in the market that can be sprayed before washing. Non corrosive by nature and neutral to the oil seals and the lubricant within. I have tried one myself and found it to be particularly good.

              Originally posted by vjnow View Post
              I am not telling about the technical stuff which was discussed mate..
              I was telling about the unnecessary comparissons and statements like.."this is better..that is better"...
              we all know what duke and ns is capable of..
              I made this request to the mods because there is no point arguing with an idiot and reducing our standards and also this thread's standard and more importantly xbhp's...thats all..cheers..
              +100. Ignore and move on. I firmly believe that all products are comparable and one man's meat is another man's poison. Give each manufacturer his due and move on.
              Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

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              • Originally posted by Saru_24 View Post
                thats massive!!!
                should be really helpful to me as i get my duke soon!!
                Happy to be helpful

                Originally posted by The Mountain View Post
                Couple of points of clarification:

                The "W" in a multigrade oil grade stands for Weight, not "Winter".
                I havent heard of it being refferd to as Weight but thats good to know.Thank you.

                Originally posted by Ri$hi View Post
                @Bplus: Good job there. Should be made sticky. People try to avoid quoting the entire post.
                Thank you

                Originally posted by sivigshankar View Post
                This was collated by Aravind for the FB KTM Owners Group, with inputs from lots of people.... due credit should be given to him / them.
                I am Aravind Anbazhagan

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                • Originally posted by The Mountain View Post
                  Couple of points of clarification:

                  The "W" in a multigrade oil grade stands for Weight, not "Winter"...
                  Originally posted by Bplus View Post

                  I havent heard of it being refferd to as Weight but thats good to know.Thank you.
                  I retract my earlier statement, and apologize. Apparently, the W *is* winter, and is always appended to any oil with a viscosity of 0, 5, 10, 15, and 20. It's left over from the days of single-grade oils, when those oils were considered "winter weight", presumably to be used in cold-weather climates during the winter (imagine that). Their viscosity is tested at various low temps, and the lowest at which the oil still flows determines the viscosity rating. Higher-weight oils, 30 and up, are all tested at 100C, and rated based on how many cubic millilitres it flows per second.

                  I had always been told it referred to weight, as lubricating oils are always referred to that way. Again, my apologies for presenting misleading info.
                  ATGATT: All The Gear, All The Time!

                  Current bike: Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere

                  Put the phone away, put your helmet on, and ride!

                  Scooters are like fat girls: fun to ride, but embarrassing if your friends see you with one.

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                  • Originally posted by AnupamOnWheels View Post
                    We might go OT if we discuss more on this topic. But still I wanted a healthy discussion to happen so that we Bikers can gather more knowledge about the technology the new age bikes are using and to know how much good are they.

                    I went through those links but I wanted some authentic and scientific articles that could back up this triple spark tech. But none of these links or my own googling gave me the satisfaction. So far I could find only twin spark technology used in some cars but found a triple spark tech used only once. That too for "igniting the unimaginably dense air-fuel mixtures at 55 psi of boost with air-nitro ratios in the 1.75:1 range--meaning 40-percent of the charge mixture is fuel, as opposed to the seven percent you'd typically see in a gasoline-fuel powerplant."
                    Even in all the forums it's a mixed reaction. Few people only claimed that it would give better fuel efficiency. Though I am confused because the second spark is a 'wasted spark' and happens during the exhaust stroke. Mostly users are inclined towards "clearing the emission norms" reason. This was also used in age old racing cars and old Mercs or Nissans, but eventually most of them shifted to single sparks also.

                    Also my primary doubt was not about twin spark tech but about the triple spark tech for which I couldn't find any proper supporting document. So I guess I would still search for any proper info before believing this triple spark. Do share any authentic and useful info if you could find some.

                    Lastly I was also not comparing Duke to NS, rather trying to find justification of using Triple spark(please note : not dual spark) tech from performance point of view.
                    Yeah i too visited your link.

                    I got one more point too bro..

                    Multiple spark plugs means, best spark plug (among 3)is used for combustion.

                    But triple spark is 'mechanical waste' in some situations... Take a situation,,

                    Assumptions:

                    Spark Plug age - 3-4 years good, 5-6 years average, at 6th year you have to change.

                    Bike age - 5-6 years good, 7-8 years average, at 8th year you have to change the bike.


                    Implication:

                    With three spark plugs its waste in this situation, Two spark plugs were enough. With 3 spark plugs, it will provide life of 8-10 yrs of good, but bike worn out already.. Wats the use?

                    Its like a person having multiple phones, with out using that properly.. A Mechanical waste...

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                    • Originally posted by itsmenaveen View Post
                      Yeah i too visited your link.

                      I got one more point too bro..

                      Multiple spark plugs means, best spark plug (among 3)is used for combustion.

                      But triple spark is 'mechanical waste' in some situations... Take a situation,,

                      Assumptions:

                      Spark Plug age - 3-4 years good, 5-6 years average, at 6th year you have to change.

                      Bike age - 5-6 years good, 7-8 years average, at 8th year you have to change the bike.


                      Implication:

                      With three spark plugs its waste in this situation, Two spark plugs were enough. With 3 spark plugs, it will provide life of 8-10 yrs of good, but bike worn out already.. Wats the use?

                      Its like a person having multiple phones, with out using that properly.. A Mechanical waste...
                      agreed bro...three spark plugs is too far fetched...two were fine uptill now....three is a deliberate mod....i mean technology came profound in terms of Bosch twin electrode spark plug...which gives twin spark via two electrodes...thus consuming the same space as one plug does giving d same output as the bajaj's twin spark plug technology.....increasing the numbers of parts doesnt makes a product more advanced in terms of technology.....but simultaneously i appreciate the revolution and changes bajaj has brought to the indian market....
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                      • Originally posted by Bplus View Post
                        I am Aravind Anbazhagan
                        That should have been I am "THE" Aravind Anbazhagan..

                        Jokes apart, welcome back... didn't know your nick was Bplus out here... interesting

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                        • Originally posted by The Mountain View Post
                          Second, +1 to the warning against using a pressure washer on the bike. It's not just because of all the electronics. Pressure washers generate enough force to push water past the seals of bearings, which means you can get water (and possibly dirt and grime) inside wheel bearings, steering head bearings, and swingarm bearings, causing significant premature wear.
                          The service guys who wash the bike, control the stream of water with their finger so the stream of water hits the finger before hitting the bike parts so it shouldn't cause any damage.

                          Originally posted by sivigshankar View Post
                          That should have been I am "THE" Aravind Anbazhagan..
                          How can 'The' be used for a person's name? Do I sound like a english teacher? he he
                          Last edited by Ri$hi; 08-01-2012, 06:27 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Ri$hi View Post
                            ....How can 'The' be used for a noun? Do I sound like a english teacher? he he
                            Aravind cannot be restricted into a NOUN .. he's a verb, adjective, pronoun, etc...he's like Rajnikanth of the Duke Owners :P

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                            • Originally posted by sivigshankar View Post
                              Aravind cannot be restricted into a NOUN .. he's a verb, adjective, pronoun, etc...he's like Rajnikanth of the Duke Owners :P
                              Why this Kolaveri ?

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                              • Originally posted by Bplus View Post
                                Why this Kolaveri ?
                                Well, people should know the amount of time you spend doing / sharing stuff about the Duke in the FB KTM Owners Group... I think you are one of the most active members there.. it's a good thing that your company is still paying you to do that job ..

                                Anyways, no more OT

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