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**wallpapers123** · 07-08-2013, 02:12 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by hunkofgals View Post

Hehe I was myself sad seeing the outcome
I had no intention for the tail tidy
But u know these bunch of idiotic friends and holidays and itchy hand
Made me go mad

Anyways I'm back in stock avatar now
And totally happy

This is one of the mod I regret myself doing it !!

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**hunkofgals** · 07-08-2013, 02:17 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Ankitvile View Post

Im witnessing a little problem on my Duke and it goes as this. When i twist the throttle hard the engine instead of giving nice surge of power as it usually does, isnt doing so. The engine misses few power and bike slows and then picks up after a second. This all happens quickly. Bike has done 11000kms. Is it the FI that needs to be cleaned. And after how many kms did any of you guys had your clearences/shims adjusted.

Hey ankit
I faced the same problem
From the time I finished my 1st service at 1000 Kms

I changed my spark plug , fuel filter and got the fuel tank also cleaned and even replaced air filter
Nothing solved the issue

At last I got the injectors cleaned at 5000 Kms
And I'm all good !
The hiccup problem which u mentioned will be gone after injector cleaning

The SVC does the job roughly in an hour

Cheers
Hope this helps

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**wallpapers123** · 07-08-2013, 02:33 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Getting some issue with rear suspension....getting a small khat khat sound when sitting and getting off the bike. Took it to SVC they said maybe something has got stuck in the spring or something, gave a quick wash and little lubricated it. The sound went for a while, but again after a couple of days getting the same noise again. The suspension spring looks very clean as compared to the last time..Has anyone faced such a situation. Im in the running in period completed 150KM till date..

**N E S T O Network** · 07-08-2013, 11:03 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by Ankitvile View Post

Im witnessing a little problem on my Duke and it goes as this. When i twist the throttle hard the engine instead of giving nice surge of power as it usually does, isnt doing so. The engine misses few power and bike slows and then picks up after a second. This all happens quickly. Bike has done 11000kms. Is it the FI that needs to be cleaned. And after how many kms did any of you guys had your clearences/shims adjusted.

Surely not the FI bro..Because the FUEL Injector has 3 Sensor that work accurate more than anything in the whole bike,I guess its your FUEL Pump That is causing that problem..I had the similar problem...COSTS 4.5k But Gets Replaced Under Warranty..

Ask the service center guys to try the tank of another duke on YOUR bike and see if its the FUEL PUMP or Not..!

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Originally posted by Ankitvile View Post

Im witnessing a little problem on my Duke and it goes as this. When i twist the throttle hard the engine instead of giving nice surge of power as it usually does, isnt doing so. The engine misses few power and bike slows and then picks up after a second. This all happens quickly. Bike has done 11000kms. Is it the FI that needs to be cleaned. And after how many kms did any of you guys had your clearences/shims adjusted.

Surely not the FI bro..Because the FUEL Injector has 3 Sensor that work accurate more than anything in the whole bike,I guess its your FUEL Pump That is causing that problem..I had the similar problem...COSTS 4.5k But Gets Replaced Under Warranty..

Ask the service center guys to try the tank of another duke on YOUR bike and see if its the FUEL PUMP or Not..!

**wallpapers123** · 07-08-2013, 11:15 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Guys come on any one had or has this issue..??

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**dishayu** · 07-09-2013, 05:23 PM

Re: Need help regarding tyre options for KTM Duke 200.

Originally posted by Ameya Koranne View Post

I am not confident enough to ride the bike in the rains as it skids when I apply rear brake. (Never tried the front disc, as I learnt its not advisable to use the front disc while riding in the wet road condition)

That is a major misconception. Front brake is always the one which provides most of the stopping power (95-5 in dry, 75-25 in wet, rough estimates). If you feel you can't use front brake at all when riding at a particular speed in the wet... I advice you to slow down. The duke barely has any weight on its rear wheel so it has a tendancy to slip and slide even on perfect, dry surface, it has very little to do with the MRFs in this particular case.

As for the tyres, I can't give you any opinion about them as I don't have any personal experience with any of those.

**Satellite.kid** · 07-09-2013, 05:33 PM

Re: Need help regarding tyre options for KTM Duke 200.

I agree with dishayu completely.
[MENTION=60362]Ameya Koranne[/MENTION]: You should learn to use the front brake effectively in various conditions and you will soon realize that is the right thing to do. However, in certain situations like rain or wet road, use the front brake progressively (to avoid wheel lock up as the traction is very low on a wet surface) and keep the handle bar pointing straight to keep the motorcycle stable. You can use the rear brake along with the front brake to neutralize the braking effect but avoid using just the rear brake on a wet surface.

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I agree with dishayu completely.
[MENTION=60362]Ameya Koranne[/MENTION]: You should learn to use the front brake effectively in various conditions and you will soon realize that is the right thing to do. However, in certain situations like rain or wet road, use the front brake progressively (to avoid wheel lock up as the traction is very low on a wet surface) and keep the handle bar pointing straight to keep the motorcycle stable. You can use the rear brake along with the front brake to neutralize the braking effect but avoid using just the rear brake on a wet surface.

**splus** · 07-09-2013, 05:48 PM

Re: Need help regarding tyre options for KTM Duke 200.

Originally posted by Ameya Koranne View Post

Hi Guys,

This is my first post here! I am planning to buy new tyres for KTM Duke 200 as I am not really satisfied with the grip MRF stock tyres provide.

I am not confident enough to ride the bike in the rains as it skids when I apply rear brake. (Never tried the front disc, as I learnt its not advisable to use the front disc while riding in the wet road condition)

I downloaded a PDF (regarding tyres) from KTM - Ready to Race which recommends the following brands and size (I am excluding MRF stock):

Front: 110/70 17
Rear: 150/60 17

Metzeler Sportec M5 interact
Pirelli Diablo Rosso II
Michelin Pilot Power

The above tyres are a straight fit for the Duke 200. But I am only able to find Metzeler M5 in India from the aforementioned tyres. I found a Pirelli Sport Demon in India, which meets the OE size.

Now Metzelers are costing me Rs.24000 approx for the pair, while Pirelli sport demon is almost the half the price of Metzeler. Which one should I buy?
Or any other suggestion will be appreciated. (If I have to spend Rs.24000 on a pair of Metzeler, I am hoping to get at least 15000 (or preferably more

) kilometers. I know they wear out soon being soft compound tyres.)

Please help me. It's driving me crazy as I am not understanding what to buy.

My requirements: (I mostly ride on city roads, but also go on highways every weekend *I enjoy high speeds*)
Excellent road grip, safety at high speeds from a tyre point of view
Fairly good performance in wet conditions
Fairly good tyre life, will be happy if it justifies it's cost

I live in Pune, so if you could help me with the addresses of dealers would benefit me.

Thank You.

OK. First things first.
Front brakes provide around 70-80% of stopping force. That's because during braking all the weight pressure slides towards the front, leaving the back with much less weight and ability to stop. That especially on Duke which hardly has any wight at the back. In other words, rear brakes will give much less stopping power than front brakes.
So, in normal dry conditions (except sandy road and while in a curve) you should mostly use the front brakes.

In wet conditions you should use rear brake more than usually, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use the front at all!
And the most important thing in wet is to brake softer, not sudden.

As you're braking only with rear brakes in wet you're probably locking your rear brake and causing the bike to skid. No surprises there. If you do that no tires in the world will help you except maybe ABS, which prevents locking.

I'd suggest in wet conditions to brake softer and use front brake together with rear in a balanced way. It should definitely be much better and your bike shouldn't skid unless you're braking hard.

As for other tires, don't take me for word, but I've seen in P200 NS thread guys there often talking about tires because their stock ones suck and they're replacing them. I think some people weren't as happy with Pirellis as expected. But you might post your query there as well, but only in regard to Pirellis since quite a few guys there got them for their NS.

Metzelers are probably by far the best option for wet conditions. They are just little better than MRFs in dry, but much better in wet.
They are the stock tires on Duke 390, and it looks like they will cost MUCH less in KTM service center than if you get them in regular way for Rs. 24,000. But you'll have to wait some more time when D390 starts to get delivered and Metz start becoming available, which should be in some weeks.
MRFs last pretty long, Metz should last less.

If Metzelers are not too expensive (and if I don't end up getting a D390) I'll get them for my Duke when my MRFs get worn out.

Originally posted by dishayu View Post

That is a major misconception. Front brake is always the one which provides most of the stopping power (95-5 in dry, 75-25 in wet, rough estimates). If you feel you can't use front brake at all when riding at a particular speed in the wet... I advice you to slow down. The duke barely has any weight on its rear wheel so it has a tendancy to slip and slide even on perfect, dry surface, it has very little to do with the MRFs in this particular case.

As for the tyres, I can't give you any opinion about them as I don't have any personal experience with any of those.

Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post

I agree with dishayu completely.
@Ameya Koranne: You should learn to use the front brake effectively in various conditions and you will soon realize that is the right thing to do. However, in certain situations like rain or wet road, use the front brake progressively (to avoid wheel lock up as the traction is very low on a wet surface) and keep the handle bar pointing straight to keep the motorcycle stable. You can use the rear brake along with the front brake to neutralize the braking effect but avoid using just the rear brake on a wet surface.

Wow, just saw your guys' posts after I posted.
Three posts about braking right after each other, bam-bam-bam!

**splus** · 07-09-2013, 07:24 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by wallpapers123 View Post

Getting some issue with rear suspension....getting a small khat khat sound when sitting and getting off the bike. Took it to SVC they said maybe something has got stuck in the spring or something, gave a quick wash and little lubricated it. The sound went for a while, but again after a couple of days getting the same noise again. The suspension spring looks very clean as compared to the last time..Has anyone faced such a situation. Im in the running in period completed 150KM till date..

I wouldn't really know what it is except to tell you that the end of the rear fender can sometimes hit the rear tire when suspensions bottoms out when going over potholes or bumps, and that creates khat sound. If your suspension setting is softer (lower number, I think stock is 3, which is quite soft) it could happen more often. If it's harder then it'll happen less often. I set my suspension to 5 on delivery and might even switch to 6 for better feedback and handling.
Or it could be the tools or something under the rear seat if it's loose...

But if it is only when you're sitting on and getting off the bike then it just might be a sound of suspension getting depressed. Nothing to worry about.

**wallpapers123** · 07-09-2013, 10:58 PM

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Originally posted by splus View Post

I wouldn't really know what it is except to tell you that the end of the rear fender can sometimes hit the rear tire when suspensions bottoms out when going over potholes or bumps, and that creates khat sound. If your suspension setting is softer (lower number, I think stock is 3, which is quite soft) it could happen more often. If it's harder then it'll happen less often. I set my suspension to 5 on delivery and might even switch to 6 for better feedback and handling.
Or it could be the tools or something under the rear seat if it's loose...

But if it is only when you're sitting on and getting off the bike then it just might be a sound of suspension getting depressed. Nothing to worry about.

I also get the same sound while locking the handle I mean when checking if the handle is locked..I'm worried if its anything related to the chassis

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**Ameya Koranne** · 07-10-2013, 11:58 AM

Re: Need help regarding tyre options for KTM Duke 200.

Originally posted by Satellite.kid View Post

I agree with dishayu completely.
@Ameya Koranne: You should learn to use the front brake effectively in various conditions and you will soon realize that is the right thing to do. However, in certain situations like rain or wet road, use the front brake progressively (to avoid wheel lock up as the traction is very low on a wet surface) and keep the handle bar pointing straight to keep the motorcycle stable. You can use the rear brake along with the front brake to neutralize the braking effect but avoid using just the rear brake on a wet surface.

[MENTION=56299]dishayu[/MENTION], [MENTION=19026]Satellite.kid[/MENTION] Thank you the reply. But I need help over tyres. As for the braking, I'll consider your advise. [Too much information can be dangerous as I saw hell lot of videos on braking (in wet conditions) rather than following my own instinct

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Originally posted by splus View Post

OK. First things first.
Front brakes provide around 70-80% of stopping force. That's because during braking all the weight pressure slides towards the front, leaving the back with much less weight and ability to stop. That especially on Duke which hardly has any wight at the back. In other words, rear brakes will give much less stopping power than front brakes.
So, in normal dry conditions (except sandy road and while in a curve) you should mostly use the front brakes.

In wet conditions you should use rear brake more than usually, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use the front at all!
And the most important thing in wet is to brake softer, not sudden.

As you're braking only with rear brakes in wet you're probably locking your rear brake and causing the bike to skid. No surprises there. If you do that no tires in the world will help you except maybe ABS, which prevents locking.

I'd suggest in wet conditions to brake softer and use front brake together with rear in a balanced way. It should definitely be much better and your bike shouldn't skid unless you're braking hard.

As for other tires, don't take me for word, but I've seen in P200 NS thread guys there often talking about tires because their stock ones suck and they're replacing them. I think some people weren't as happy with Pirellis as expected. But you might post your query there as well, but only in regard to Pirellis since quite a few guys there got them for their NS.

Metzelers are probably by far the best option for wet conditions. They are just little better than MRFs in dry, but much better in wet.
They are the stock tires on Duke 390, and it looks like they will cost MUCH less in KTM service center than if you get them in regular way for Rs. 24,000. But you'll have to wait some more time when D390 starts to get delivered and Metz start becoming available, which should be in some weeks.
MRFs last pretty long, Metz should last less.

If Metzelers are not too expensive (and if I don't end up getting a D390) I'll get them for my Duke when my MRFs get worn out.

[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] Thank you. I am facing problem with the rear braking when I am on smooth roads.
Even a moderate touch to the brake pedal causes the bike to skid. I have to use engine braking with a mix of rear braking. Will try front braking (in wet conditions) and check out. (And nay, I don't brake like a noob. I am pretty good at it in dry condition, *touch wood*!!) My mototcycle's tyres are as good as dead because the front has had 3 punctures, and the rear has had 5 at the same time. Someone purposely put nails in the tunnel, which of course weren't noticed by me. And my front tyre is totally worn out.

And buying Metzelers from the KTM service really makes sense. I contacted them, they said I'll have to place an order and I will receive withing 5-6 days. They didn't tell me about the costing on the phone.

So here I am, torn between the products of the same parent company, Pirelli.

**splus** · 07-10-2013, 01:19 PM

Re: Need help regarding tyre options for KTM Duke 200.

Originally posted by Ameya Koranne View Post

[MENTION=56299]dishayu[/MENTION], [MENTION=19026]Satellite.kid[/MENTION] Thank you the reply. But I need help over tyres. As for the braking, I'll consider your advise. [Too much information can be dangerous as I saw hell lot of videos on braking (in wet conditions) rather than following my own instinct

]

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[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] Thank you. I am facing problem with the rear braking when I am on smooth roads.
Even a moderate touch to the brake pedal causes the bike to skid. I have to use engine braking with a mix of rear braking. Will try front braking (in wet conditions) and check out. (And nay, I don't brake like a noob. I am pretty good at it in dry condition, *touch wood*!!) My mototcycle's tyres are as good as dead because the front has had 3 punctures, and the rear has had 5 at the same time. Someone purposely put nails in the tunnel, which of course weren't noticed by me. And my front tyre is totally worn out.

And buying Metzelers from the KTM service really makes sense. I contacted them, they said I'll have to place an order and I will receive withing 5-6 days. They didn't tell me about the costing on the phone.

So here I am, torn between the products of the same parent company, Pirelli.

I understand you feel you should go with what you already know and tried (rear braking), but I'm pretty sure 90% of your skidding problem is because of using the rear brake, and NOT because of the tires.
Rear brake tends to lock on most bikes, where's the front doesn't. And the front is incomparably more efficient because it requires much less pressure than rear to stop the bike.
I urge you to try using mostly the front for at least 1 or 2 days and see how it feels.
Let me just tell you that, for example, in 1 year I've used rear brake only couple of times in cases of panic braking. I practically don't use it. Duke has such an awesome from brake, but the rear is practically useless because of hardly any weight at the back.

But yes, with those punctures you'll have to change tires anyway...
Metz should be great in wet.

**chinmayakar** · 07-10-2013, 01:44 PM

Re: Need help regarding tyre options for KTM Duke 200.

Originally posted by splus View Post

I understand you feel you should go with what you already know and tried (rear braking), but I'm pretty sure 90% of your skidding problem is because of using the rear brake, and NOT because of the tires.
Rear brake tends to lock on most bikes, where's the front doesn't. And the front is incomparably more efficient because it requires much less pressure than rear to stop the bike.
I urge you to try using mostly the front for at least 1 or 2 days and see how it feels.
Let me just tell you that, for example, in 1 year I've used rear brake only couple of times in cases of panic braking. I practically don't use it. Duke has such an awesome from brake, but the rear is practically useless because of hardly any weight at the back.

But yes, with those punctures you'll have to change tires anyway...
Metz should be great in wet.

I have been riding my D200 like hell in Mumbai rains. One thing comes to my mind, awesome brakes with equally good tyres. Together they form a potent package, and it is very hard to slide or loose control unless you dont brake properly. I mostly use front and rear brakes together, and till date, never felt like loosing control over my bike. During panic braking, I make sure I apply enough pressure not to lock the wheels, and keep modulating and steering at the same time.

Yes, this I learnt after a nastty accident 3 yrs back, where I broke my collar bone.

**Ameya Koranne** · 07-10-2013, 06:37 PM

Re: Need help regarding tyre options for KTM Duke 200.

Originally posted by splus View Post

I understand you feel you should go with what you already know and tried (rear braking), but I'm pretty sure 90% of your skidding problem is because of using the rear brake, and NOT because of the tires.
Rear brake tends to lock on most bikes, where's the front doesn't. And the front is incomparably more efficient because it requires much less pressure than rear to stop the bike.
I urge you to try using mostly the front for at least 1 or 2 days and see how it feels.
Let me just tell you that, for example, in 1 year I've used rear brake only couple of times in cases of panic braking. I practically don't use it. Duke has such an awesome from brake, but the rear is practically useless because of hardly any weight at the back.

But yes, with those punctures you'll have to change tires anyway...
Metz should be great in wet.

Yay, maybe you're right. I'm definitely going to give it a try. And I think Metzeler would be a good choice too.

**N E S T O Network** · 07-11-2013, 09:46 PM

Re: Need help regarding tyre options for KTM Duke 200.

Originally posted by chinmayakar View Post

I have been riding my D200 like hell in Mumbai rains. One thing comes to my mind, awesome brakes with equally good tyres. Together they form a potent package, and it is very hard to slide or loose control unless you dont brake properly. I mostly use front and rear brakes together, and till date, never felt like loosing control over my bike. During panic braking, I make sure I apply enough pressure not to lock the wheels, and keep modulating and steering at the same time.

Yes, this I learnt after a nastty accident 3 yrs back, where I broke my collar bone.

Seriously man..! nice one.

After 3 Falls from My Bike too ,I got to know how to brake even in emergency.
Yes if accidents happen real "QUICK" you cant save your A*rse and Cant Blame the Tyres.

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