Re: KTM 200 Duke

Mate,

Please remember.. all good things don't come cheap! MRA is expensive but then is worth every penny, has the quality, finish and good reviews of the same. When it comes to such a vital component i would rather spend that money then looking for cheap alternatives.. however, that's me..


Cheers,

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi Chethan
I am currently using a 39T rear and I like this. I had done a max of 150kmph once. Mine is with stock ECU. Even with 43T I had done 139kmph.
I had seen many posts on the speed limter but I am not sure about that coz I had done 145 kmph many times with 39T sprocket.
Only Rev limiter kicks in at 10.5k rpm in my duke. Other than sprocket everythin else is stock in my duke.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

2nd service is at 5000 km or 150 days from the date of purchase if i am not wrong.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Sorry for the delayed reply guys got held up with some personal work

[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] yea i did exactly as in that video, in the blue box there are 2 connectors one red and another black( which is facing towards the front wheel) you need to disconnect the black one.
Yeap and not only is this there is also a torque limiter which merges with the speed limter and kinds a gives you a sudden cut off at 135kph in my case
Performance in my opinion is not required for me right now coz i still have a lot to play around with the bone stock engine itself, the sprocketing and ECU remap it self will give enough boost this is a perfect signs of a race breed bike yea once i m saturated and used to the mods(Sprocketing and ECU) i ll be doing in future will think of my next steps

Actually took up the sprocketing coz i know this fellow is a torque machine and even if i go taller it will still manage to give you enough torque which you can see in the test video i found hardly 5-10% drop in the initial which is it compensate-able with the speeds extended in each gear so eventually when you ride against a stock Duke you ll still lead the way cos you ll be stretching in each gear by 10-15kph which will give you enough lead IMO

Plus my way of looking at things is i love the Vtec technology in Honda cars, I enjoy it the most when the aggressive cam gets activated in my car and i would love to have that kinda feeling in my bikes( I know i cant practically get that same thing in bikes but some where close to that feeling atleast ), meaning the awesomeness of having good initials and when your in a aggressive sprinting mode you should be able to hit good top speeds. Which after reading your reviews on KIIRIUS remap it makes me get closer to that dream. Basically you said the initials and the engine smoothness are even better after the remap. So If i get a remap plus a 39T sprocket i ll have a pocket rocket in my hands

[MENTION=32641]shv18[/MENTION] exactly the way i am thinking right now, we still have explored 80% of the Duke 200 capability so we have another atleast 15-20 % that we can still explore and have fun and once your saturated with that then you can think of engine mods(head porting and a high lift camshaft)

Mentioned the disconnecting part above
This will be my next move(tomo and day after) hold a multimeter check the connectivity and trace the exact wire that is from the speedo sending the speed sensing signal and make it dummy we are good to go for that i need some time coz electricals you need to spend a lot of time figuring out coz you dont wnt to mess with your warranty and bike electicals

By the way i still havent tested the bike in stock sprockets with the speed sensor disconnected but theoretically i think it should do 135-137 it self i may be wrong need to actually test it

Hey [MENTION=56173]karticraja[/MENTION] yes yours was the post i had read about the 39T now i am surprised how your bike is not speed limited bro and i am J lol kidding but your one lucky man if its not limiting keep it revving !!!

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Please don't confuse speed limiter with ECU rev limiter. Speed limiter has NOTHING to do with ECU limiter, be it stock, Kiirus or any other map. It has been discussed and even proved in previous posts.The speed limiter can be disconnected by unplugging the cable as in that German video about D125.Only some bikes have speed limiter. It has nothing to do with Motozone or any other ECU map. In fact, as confirmed, Motozone gets their ECUs from Kiirus. Even Vikram from Motozone said to me that there's a speed limiter and the some bikes have it, and set at different speeds, and some bikes don't have it at all.I have it at 137 kmh, Chethan has it at 135 kmh. It's inside speedo console. When certain speed has been reached it gives the signal to ECU to cut the power.As I described in my previous post that limiter is quite different in feel to ECU rev limiter, which is much softer.It looks like that:a) Not every bike has speed limiter.b) Or, every bike has speed limiter but set at different speeds.As I already wrote few times, I was hitting some kind of limit at 137 kmh with my brand new Duke a year ago, and I am hitting the limiter at exact same speed with totally different ECU. I'll try to fiddle and disconnect that cable and try the top speed again.But I'll find some way to get that limiter off my bike. Whatever way.When did you change the oil last time? First service? Only?If yes, then you're desperately in need of new oil. When engine is new you need to change it few more times than just 1st service.When you reach let's say 3000 km, when engine is fully broken in, then it's enough to change it at prescribed intervals.Hm, you guys make me want to try that 40T sprocket... You're lucky - you either don't have a speed limiter or it's set at some higher speed...As [MENTION=53683]Chethan Shivakumar[/MENTION] described and proved it nicely - the speed limiter really exist. I've witnessed it today on my bike as well. Unfortunately...

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=64067]Big bore[/MENTION] Ah, yes, the bike accelerates much faster with Kiirus ECU.
Actually, I think those guys even measured it once, it goes 0-100 kmh in 8 sec, compared to 9 sec of stock Duke.
I haven't measured it, but my experience is that is easily true.
In a same way it'll reach 135 kmh faster.
Stock Duke slows down at some 125 kmh, whereas Kiirus Duke keeps going, and slows less at those speeds.

As I said before, Kiirus ECU map is much better in acceleration than stock ECU map. Plus, add the fact it revs till 11.7k rpm.
If you're into drags than only D390 and Ninja 250/300 will leave you behind.
If short drag the N250 will be faster only by a small margin.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] All the best for your test run keep us posted as usual how it goes !!!
also with your remap consider how a 39T will fig out i am assuming you ll have negligible initial drop with the current remap state as mentioned by you plus you ll have good top speed.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

Second service is at 6000Kms or after 365 days from the first service. PM me your VIN, I'll check out your service history.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

but it is mentioned in the service manual that 2nd service is at 5000kms or 150 days i''ll check again. I'll give my vin no tomorrow.

Re: KTM 200 Duke


I have a feeling the newer lots are further restricted to rpms of 9,800 actual reading instead of the rpm meter reading 10,050 rpm displayed on the console compared to the older models of Duke 200. The reason i am saying this is because i met Motozone guys talking about the use of a digital rpm meter on a Duke 200 to confirm the issue with the newer lot while i was there at their workshop discussing about further upgrades on my FZ - X. Hence, [MENTION=18379]splus[/MENTION] mate if you notice you are clearly getting restricted at the top roughly around 10k whereas the other gentlemen is able to hit 10,500 rpm.

Now don't come after me with axes , but somehow i have a sneaky suspicion that the KTM DUke 200 has been identified as a highly stressed engine by the manufacturer so much so that they are slowly cutting down on the rpms to keep the stress levels down on the newer lot. Although this is just a plain theory, i would request riders who may be are about to cross 35 - 40,000 kms to please do an inspection of the piston, rings and the valve train system to see what stresses are taking place inside the engine as a part of preventive maintenance.

The same thing was observed on TVS Apache RTR series where the first lot didn't have any rev limiter, being derived from racing pedigree. The later lots came with a rev limiter.


Cheers,

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[MENTION=32641]shv18[/MENTION] I too think the engine of D200 is very stressed, I've yet to meet anyone who clocked 40k Kms on his/her D200. Sticking a third party tacho on the Duke should confirm it. Did not Yamaha do something like that on the R6? All Duke owners please post how much you clocked on the odo as of now and problems you are facing. The highest I've heard was 24k Kms.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

The new remap from company, has reduced the revlimiter from 10500 t0 10000 in 5th and 6th gear, which in turn, reduced the topspeed from 139 to 136, but in lieu of smooth low revs, which was very jerky and used to stall the bike.Regarding longevity, there are 2-3 people in my group, whose bike has crossed 40k, and their bike still goes like stink, nothing major on engine except shim clearance.


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Re: KTM 200 Duke

Hi Serge, Shv and everybody out here. Went for a weekend ride to Pavna Dam with the KTM D200 Mumbai group. There were 6 bikes and riders. Apart from my bike, there were 2 more bikes that were remapped. 1 with Kiirus and other with RD. Apart from that 2 riders on stock D200 were taking it easy as it was a wet day for major part of the ride. The third stock D200 rider was riding very good.

From what I experienced, my Duke was just shooting at every possible oppurtunity. I thoroughly enjoyed the ride. I feel Kiirus remap has made Duke lot quicker and smoother. Stock Duke does not stand a chance in acceleration. Couldnt check the RD equipped Duke as the rider was taking it easy.

My Duke hits 125-126 very fast, and NO the engine does not feel stressed. Theres a nice turbine like whinning noise when you push harder. One thing I like to mention, Dukes Engine can take a lot of abuse. No matter how hard you try, it is just not possible to break this engine. No matter how hard you push, theres never any unwanted chatter or clanking from the engine.

Any other bike, with the way I ride my bike, would have given up by now.

However, I am starting to accept the fact that the Top Speed is restricted. There were lot of oppurtunities to push the bike to check the top end, and every time it was like stuck on 129 with entire road ahead. I could see revvs climbing though. I remember one instance where I held on to 5th for little longer, and there was no cut off. I wasnt thrown back in the traditional rev-limiter style. But, while I was trying this, none of the stock D200 could even come near by.

This happened when I was riding along side the stock D200 rider. I was on 5th and then both of us started to rev hard. Stock D200 couldnt come close, and when I hit 6th I was very far ahead.

Also, got an oppurtunity to drag with the other Kiirus tuned D200, and my bike just shot off. That bike was running 43 teeth rear sprocket against mine 42 teeth.

All the talk about a chip in the speedo restricting the top end, and the revs that appear on the speedo are false, I am starting to believe that.

Also, I have just completed 1st free servicing. I want to test the top speed again after next free service when they set the rpm limit higher.

Now I understand, that the rpm limit set by Service Centre is just a blinking light which tells us to shift, however, I have my reasons to believe other wise.

If none of those work, my last ditch effort would be to pay either Kiirus or Vikram 1000 bucks and get that limiter removed once and for all.

An update: I spoke to Abhishek today morning, and he explained to me quite well about the chip in the speedo that is restricting the top end. He explicitly mentioned, he does not want to tamper with the speedo, as there are too many wires involved, and involves lot of man hour.

Basically he has to cut a wire that connects to the ECU, and that would be a trial and error method for someone who hasn't done it in the past.

He asked to get it done from Vikram.

Re: KTM 200 Duke

[MENTION=35854]chinmayakar[/MENTION]...I went there too on saturday with [MENTION=63459]Sanchit Arora[/MENTION] till amby valley...How far did u go??

Re: KTM 200 Duke

I am glad that you are enjoying the bike. The RPM meter even on R1 and R6 are not correct. There is a special rpm digital meter gauge which will show you the anomaly. Similarly the speedo reading on the KTM nor on my bike or any other bike is wrong by a minimum of 5%. That much error is acceptable and are within the standards of any car or motorcycle manufacturer. If you still have doubts, i have a Gtech RR Pro Precision series GPS Data logger to prove it.

Thirdly, you felt the rush of acceleration which stands true because of the change in fuelling, however the top speed and the rpms not climbing beyond 10k @ 6th gear besides other video shared by the gentlemen confirms my suspicion that newer lot has got more restrictions and most likely we can blame the EU and long term reliability factors behind that..

I still feel instead of jumping straight into engine modifications, one should first first explore all these options and see if these simple mods satisfy you need for more speed. :P


Cheers,